[cheekopekman]

Interestingly, both Christianity and Islam hold the belief that children go to heaven. Somehow or rather...the prophet got this one right  ...He did check with previous scriptures after all 

Christians and Muslims have many similar beliefs and also many differences lah!  They call Allah we call the Lord lah!

[cheekopekman]

I'm currently studying the Bible on Noah and his family lah! After the flood, they all came out of the ark and Noah's sons, Shem Japheth and Ham were scattered with their own families when Noah died lah! Read Genesis chapters 6 to 11 lah!

[pinkpanther]

Christians and Muslims have many similar beliefs and also many differences lah!  They call Allah we call the Lord lah!

They also call Allah their Lord but they cannot call Him "Father "  We say Amen..they say Ameen lah...
I have never heard a moslem say Ameen openly...maybe they scare to be associated with Christianity lol

[Lukongsimi]

I'm currently studying the Bible on Noah and his family lah!  After the flood, they all came out of the ark and Noah's sons, Shem Japheth and Ham were scattered with their own families when Noah died lah! Read Genesis chapters 6 to 11 lah!

In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Hamis described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and it is provoked by a shameful act that was perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father".

[Lukongsimi]

Since when did I say God would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same kind of punishment meted out to a mass murderer? When taken out of context, my comment sounds cruel. You failed to take account of the age of accountability for children, meaning, at what age are children responsible for their own sins?

While the term age of accountability isn't found in the Bible, the principle is. As long as a child isn't able to distinguish between good and evil, he or she isn't responsible for the corruption inherited from Adam or the sins he or she personally commits.

God has a special love for children. Ps 139:13-16; Matt 18:2-4; Matt 10:14-16. Although the children were infected with sin because of Adam's orginal rebellion, God didn't condemn them because they had "no knowledge of good or evil."

“And Elisha went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.”
‭‭2 Kings‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭25‬ ‭KJV

[cheekopekman]

In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Hamis described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and it is provoked by a shameful act that was perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father".

You got it right lah, bro!  Noah cursed Ham because he saw his father drunk and naked inside the tent. Why did Noah curse Ham his youngest son leh?  Surely you won't curse your own children mah!

[cheekopekman]

“And Elisha went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.”
‭‭2 Kings‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭25‬ ‭KJV

God punished those children lah!

[Lukongsimi]

You got it right lah, bro!  Noah cursed Ham because he saw his father drunk and naked inside the tent. Why did Noah curse Ham his youngest son leh?  Surely you won't curse your own children mah!

Noah cursed Ham’s son Canaan instead
To the lowest of slaves..
Canaan was Noah’s grandson.

[pinkpanther]

Hello Hope...did Muhammad order this? Why is Satan pillar more sophisticated  and grander than Muhammad's tomb?

[pinkpanther]

so money can solve all problems after all!

[pinkpanther]

[Lukongsimi]

so money can solve all problems after all!

Means rich only can be saved 
While the poor has no money to buy salvation ?

[pinkpanther]

Means rich only can be saved 
While the poor has no money to buy salvation ?

Yes! If you are rich and you do charity..your sins will be erase
How convenient! I think the poor can just help out and that should be enough to erase sins...

If you commit murder, will you be cleanse after doing charity?
is there any need for repentance?  Doing good works only will get to paradise? Now I know why moslems will side with James...* long sigh *
Our good friend here is so rich that he can buy out every sins he created...

Erasing Sins The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, 'Charity can erase sins as water extinguishes fire. ' (HR. Tirmidzi). By giving alms, we cleanse ourselves of the sins that have been committed

Charity does not remove sin or the penalty of sin, but will aid in the giving of life as God intends we live by. Adam died a death of relationship with God and with men by choosing his own path. Through charity, we are choosing the way of God and not the way of men and will enjoy the better life God intends for all men in this age.

Again the teachings of Muhammad is not in line with the previous scriptures. Muhammad should add "sought God for forgiveness and repent"

[Lukongsimi]

Yes! If you are rich and you do charity..your sins will be erase
How convenient! I think the poor can just help out and that should be enough to erase sins...

If you commit murder, will you be cleanse after doing charity?
is there any need for repentance?  Doing good works only will get to paradise? Now I know why moslems will side with James...* long sigh *
Our good friend here is so rich that he can buy out every sins he created...

Erasing Sins The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, 'Charity can erase sins as water extinguishes fire. ' (HR. Tirmidzi). By giving alms, we cleanse ourselves of the sins that have been committed

Charity does not remove sin or the penalty of sin, but will aid in the giving of life as God intends we live by. Adam died a death of relationship with God and with men by choosing his own path. Through charity, we are choosing the way of God and not the way of men and will enjoy the better life God intends for all men in this age.

Ephesians 2:8-10 New International Version (NIV)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

[pinkpanther]

Ephesians 2:8-10 New International Version (NIV)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him (Jesus) receives forgiveness of sins through his name. Acts 10:43

...because by the works of the Law none of mankind will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin. Rom 3:20

But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe Rom 3:21-

[S I M T A N]

You're right lah, bro!  But the Bible is very clear that we are all born sinners, sinners at birth lah! Children are innocent and won't know what is right or wrong but that doesn't mean they're not sinners lah! How God deals with them is God's responsibility lah! But we need to teach a child the way of the LORD so that he will not go astray lah! In the Bible, we read about children sacrificed to the fire, literally thrown into fire to die lah!

Bro, it's true children are born sinners. However, God doesn't hold them accountable for the sins of their parents or the first parents, A and E. God declared that people are guilty for their own sins, not for the sins of others. "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself (Ezek 18:20).

You're right in saying we ought to teach children God's ways and God's Word and help them to respect God's laws besides disciplining them, guiding them and helping them learn to make godly choices. The Bible tells us, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he's old he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22:6).

We have seen many instances in which children walked with God when they were young, but turned away from Him in their teens or adulthood. Pious parents want their kids to always be "filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding" and to "walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God" (Colossians 1:9-10).

They can trust God to take care of their children even better than they can. When they release their kids into God's hands, and acknowledge that He's in control of their lives, they'll have greater peace. "Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord. The fruit of the womb is a reward." (Psalm 127:3)

"A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother." (Proverbs 10:1) Indeed, no one can be prouder than Dad when his child makes a wise decision, but when a child acts without wisdom, no one grieves more deeply than his mother. The Bible says, "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with promise: that it may well with you and you may live long on the earth." (Ephesians 6:1-3)

[Ali Imran]

You got it right lah, bro!  Noah cursed Ham because he saw his father drunk and naked inside the tent. Why did Noah curse Ham his youngest son leh?  Surely you won't curse your own children mah!

If I were you, I'd take everything in the OT with a pinch of salt. We already know for sure that the books have been altered a lot and lies have crept into the scriptures, according to the scriptures itself (Jeremiah 8:8).

The Bible has stories of the prophets that defeat the very reason why they were chosen, to guide mankind to righteousness.

[Ali Imran]

Christians and Muslims have many similar beliefs and also many differences lah!  They call Allah we call the Lord lah!

Allah is our Lord. We address our Lord without the need of an intercessor. Our Lord, whom we cannot see, cares for each and every one of us. He is all-hearing and all-attentive. 

Jesus said, in John 20:17, that he has a God and that his God is also our God. If you believe that wholly with no 'but' and you don't add anything to it, you will be closer to Islam than you think.

[Lukongsimi]

Yes! If you are rich and you do charity..your sins will be erase
How convenient! I think the poor can just help out and that should be enough to erase sins...

If you commit murder, will you be cleanse after doing charity?
is there any need for repentance?  Doing good works only will get to paradise? Now I know why moslems will side with James...* long sigh *
Our good friend here is so rich that he can buy out every sins he created...

Erasing Sins The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, 'Charity can erase sins as water extinguishes fire. ' (HR. Tirmidzi). By giving alms, we cleanse ourselves of the sins that have been committed

Charity does not remove sin or the penalty of sin, but will aid in the giving of life as God intends we live by. Adam died a death of relationship with God and with men by choosing his own path. Through charity, we are choosing the way of God and not the way of men and will enjoy the better life God intends for all men in this age.

Again the teachings of Muhammad is not in line with the previous scriptures. Muhammad should add "sought God for forgiveness and repent"

How about those sentenced to death gg  to gallows can their charities done saves them?

[pinkpanther]

Ah Hope...is it true that Muslimahs are required to circumcise well?

[pinkpanther]

How about those sentenced to death gg  to gallows can their charities done saves them?

They will ask the judge to replace their jail sentence with doing charity works under Sharia laws...

[Lukongsimi]

They will ask the judge to replace their jail sentence with doing charity works under Sharia laws...

Oh really ?

[pinkpanther]

Oh really ?

Sharia is different...they have their own different rulings,,I also don know
In some moslem countries it is prohibited to celebrate the prophet birthday but in majority of moslem countries...it is a festival...plenty of contradictions lah

[Ali Imran]

I want to believe that infants and young children who die are in heaven, but how are they who have never trusted in Christ saved? There's no definitive scriptural passage that clearly spells out the eternal destiny of children who are too young to comprehend the gospel. Ditto those who are mentally impaired and fail to grasp as well because of their intellectual limitations and are therefore childlike.

If faith in Christ is the basis by which everyone else in the world must be saved, then how is God able to bend the rules for children? I believe I can say with confidence that children who die are graciously welcomed by God into His heaven. God has a soft spot for children. He values their lives and grieves over their deaths (Ps 139:13-16) and condemns cruelty toward children. (Ezek 16:20-21)

"Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." And He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands on them. (Mark 10:14-16)

Jesus was using children as an illustration of the humility necessary to receive God's gift of salvation. Now because of Adam's original sin against God, every person has been infested with the sin virus. "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned." (Rom 5:12) Physical death is the proof we've contracted the sin virus, and the fact that everyone dies - incl children - is proof that no one is immune to this disease.

Obviously, God differentiates between children's inherited sin - over which they had no choice - and the willful disobedience of adults. Children have no ability to distinguish between good and evil and they have no ability to be charged with the same offence as their parents: unbelief. In the Bible the sin of unbelief isn't simply failing to believe God; it is the deliberate choice not ot believe what God has said. Unbelief is the willful rejection of God's revelation.

"And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief."(Heb 3:18-19) "Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the Living God. (v 12)

The Bible is clear: the sin of unbelief prevented them from entering "His rest." The consequence of a person's unbelief - the deliberate choice not to believe what God has said - is that he or she isn't able to enter into heaven.

In these modern times, rejecting the Bible as God's revelation is understandable, given the scholarship already in existence. 

Are people going to be put in hell because the Bible isn't giving anybody any confidence that it is a revelation from God?

[cheekopekman]

If I were you, I'd take everything in the OT with a pinch of salt. We already know for sure that the books have been altered a lot and lies have crept into the scriptures, according to the scriptures itself (Jeremiah 8:8).

The Bible has stories of the prophets that defeat the very reason why they were chosen, to guide mankind to righteousness.

Let me study more for myself lah!  I need some cross references for more interpretations lah!

[pinkpanther]

The Prince of Theologians, St. Thomas Aquinas!

https://catholicconvert.com/st-thomas-aq...-mohammad/

[pinkpanther]

Let me study more for myself lah!  I need some cross references for more interpretations lah!

They said we altered the OT and it cannot be trusted wor...  I also want to know why the Quran purposely left out the Passover and avoid discussions on it......

I think this page of the Passover was eaten by the goat...

[cheekopekman]

They said we altered the OT and it cannot be trusted wor...  I also want to know why the Quran purposely left out the Passover and avoid discussions on it......

I think this page of the Passover was eaten by the goat...

You can study Quran too lah!  Then compare with the Bible lah!

[pinkpanther]

You can study Quran too lah!  Then compare with the Bible lah!

[pinkpanther]

What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Mark of the Beast and the Mark of God

Today we see that donning marks written on badges already placed on the foreheads by the most anti-Christ religion on earth; Islam. And this phenomenon is becoming a growing trend and has become a reality; the Muslim is literally posting a blasphemous badge on his forehead.

Scripture talks about two marks, one good “the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God” (Revelation 7:3) and the other evil “the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.” (Revelation 13:17)

But are such marks spiritual marks or are they intended to be literal as a physical mark that is visible by the naked eye? Is only the Christian marked with a spiritual mark, or is he also required to have a physical mark, or even both? Or is it possible that this whole issue be simpler than we all think; is it unusual after all for two opposite sides, the followers of Christ on the one side and the followers of Antichrist on the other, to express their allegiance to their god by displaying physical marks that are visible to everyone; either for Christ or for Antichrist to show the world which side they are on?

https://shoebat.com/2014/09/09/every-chr...-mark-god/