[Lukongsimi]

 I also salute you for your belief in Christ lah

Yes Christ is my first Love.😊

[Ali Imran]

U mean she is here al the time ?

LOL

I was only joking. Husbands always lose the debate with their wives.

[Lukongsimi]

LOL

I was only joking. Husbands always lose the debate with their wives.

So u  r hoping to win debate here?

[Ali Imran]

So u  r hoping to win debate here?

No, I am hoping for the truth to be made clear.

[pinkpanther]

I believe this was the war with the pagan Arabs where they were given the death penalty for their atrocities towards the Muslims. But if they choose to accept Islam, they will be spared the sentence.

Are you suggesting that Muhammad would permit the perpetrators of all these atrocities to escape punishment if they convert? 

Regardless, the Tafsir did not specify these atrocities.... it only outlined the consequences for each group if they refuse to accept Islam.

[pinkpanther]

LOL

I was only joking. Husbands always lose the debate with their wives.

You cannot lose to your wife .that would prove Muhammad wrong regarding the deficiency of a woman's mind

[Ali Imran]

Are you suggesting that Muhammad would permit the perpetrators of all these atrocities to escape punishment if they convert? 

Regardless, the Tafsir did not specify these atrocities.... it only outlined the consequences for each group if they refuse to accept Islam.

If Allah says there should be no compulsion in faith, and some Muslims contradict that command, is that a contradiction in the Quran?

[pinkpanther]

Again, you must remember the challenge, that is to find a contradiction within the Quran. If the Quran says you must fast, and then some so-called "scholar" said no need to fast, is that a contradiction in the Quran? No, it isn't.

Again some verses of the Quran need the interpretation of a tafsir or a Hadith..I cannot anyhow misinterprete them or you will call me a liar

Asserting that there is no contradiction is an invitation for others to present evidence that challenges or refutes that claim

[Ali Imran]

Again some verses of the Quran need the interpretation of a tafsir or a Hadith..I cannot anyhow misinterprete them or you will call me a liar

Asserting that there is no contradiction is an invitation for others to present evidence that challenges or refutes that claim

Please go ahead. I welcome your argument.

[pinkpanther]

If Allah says there should be no compulsion in faith, and some Muslims contradict that command, is that a contradiction in the Quran?

There will be no contradiction if they are allowed to leave freely....that is the meaning of no compulsion in faith...

[pinkpanther]

Please go ahead. I welcome your argument.

So is the tafsir and Hadith allowed to build my arguments?

[Ali Imran]

There will be no contradiction if they are allowed to leave freely....that is the meaning of no compulsion in faith...

Who didn't allow them to leave freely? And why?

[Ali Imran]

So is the tafsir and Hadith allowed to build my arguments?

The challenge, I remind you, is to find a contradiction within the Quran.

[pinkpanther]

Who didn't allow them to leave freely? And why?

I don know. I'm not a moslem
While the Quran emphasizes freedom of belief ("There is no compulsion in religion"), the concept of apostasy (leaving Islam) and its potential punishment is a debated topic. ...

If it needs to go to a debate..then the Quran isn't clear

[pinkpanther]

The challenge, I remind you, is to find a contradiction within the Quran.

Suda lah ..I already found you 2.
If you want to add in the shooting stars..that will be 3

[Ali Imran]

I don know. I'm not a moslem
While the Quran emphasizes freedom of belief ("There is no compulsion in religion"), the concept of apostasy (leaving Islam) and its potential punishment is a debated topic. ...

If it needs to go to a debate..then the Quran isn't clear

Again, the challenge is for you to find a contradiction within the Quran. Whether the Quran isn't clear to you is not the subject we're discussing.

[Ali Imran]

Suda lah ..I already found you 2.
If you want to add in the shooting stars..that will be 3

You think you've found two or three.

[Ali Imran]

I've already shown you an apparent contradiction in the Bible, where one verse says no man has seen God but another verse says somebody have seen God face to face.

Now, I will show you what is known as inner contradiction in the Bible.

Christians say Jesus is the prince of peace and they will quote Isaiah. But Jesus himself said he didn't come to bring peace but a sword. That's called inner contradiction.

[pinkpanther]

You think you've found two or three.

You're showing bias, Habibi.. When Sim mentioned the muddy spring as a contradiction to science, you didn't establish any criteria or boundaries for your argument.. you could even give him your arguments

[Ali Imran]

You're showing bias, Habibi.. When Sim mentioned the muddy spring as a contradiction to science, you didn't establish any criteria or boundaries for your argument.. you could even give him your arguments

Allah speaks about a man who saw or perceived the sun setting in the muddy spring. You call that a contradiction?

Are you that desperate? I've shown you a sample of what a contradiction is in the Bible, twice already. So there, you have something to work on. The challenge is still open to you.

[pinkpanther]

I've already shown you an apparent contradiction in the Bible, where one verse says no man has seen God but another verse says somebody have seen God face to face.

Now, I will show you what is known as inner contradiction in the Bible.

Christians say Jesus is the prince of peace and they will quote Isaiah. But Jesus himself said he didn't come to bring peace but a sword. That's called inner contradiction.

No one has seen God in his full glory, his true form...have or not? Not even Moses, Abrahim and Jacob only saw God in human form..

Jesus brings about a lasting peace for all lah...the "sword" will divide the world into those who believe in Him and those who do not....you have to read everything in context...

[pinkpanther]

Allah speaks about a man who saw or perceived the sun setting in the muddy spring. You call that a contradiction?

Pls explain clearly..should we interpret it literally or metaphorically?

[pinkpanther]

Are you that desperate? I've shown you a sample of what a contradiction is in the Bible, twice already. So there, you have something to work on. The challenge is still open to you.

I already dismiss your argument...it is not even a contradiction...pls read the whole bible

[Ali Imran]

No one has seen God in his full glory, his true form...have or not? Not even Moses, Abrahim and Jacob only saw God in human form..

Jesus brings about a lasting peace for all lah...the "sword" will divide the world into those who believe in Him and those who do not....you have to read everything in context...

Oh.. that is another contradiction. The Bible says God is not a man but then God is in the form of a man. Another verse says the world cannot contain God but another verse says God was once contained in a human body.

Such contradictions require you to spin a reply that doesn't come from the Bible itself.

[Ali Imran]

Pls explain clearly..should we interpret it literally or metaphorically?

Allah tells us of a man who perceived the sun setting in a muddy pool. We humans have that perception. Even today, after knowing the sun doesn't set, we still say the sun sets.

[pinkpanther]

Oh.. that is another contradiction. The Bible says God is not a man but then God is in the form of a man. Another verse says the world cannot contain God but another verse says God was once contained in a human body.

Such contradictions require you to spin a reply that doesn't come from the Bible itself.

I don know which verse you are talking lah...if you want an exchange..at least give me some quotes to work on lah..I don want to do your dirty work...

God is not limited by physical space or human creation...but in John 1:14, God can also be present in the world in a human form...

It can be understood as expressing different aspects of God's nature and relationship with the world...why is it so difficult to understand

[Ali Imran]

I don know which verse you are talking lah...if you want an exchange..at least give me some quotes to work on lah..I don want to do your dirty work...

God is not limited by physical space or human creation...but in John 1:14, God can also be present in the world in a human form...

It can be understood as expressing different aspects of God's nature and relationship with the world...why is it so difficult to understand

So, researching the Bible is dirty work. Okay noted.

Anyhow, in 1 Kings 8:27, it says the entire universe cannot contain God but in John 1, God was contained in a human body. You then explained it by saying God changed his nature, from infinite to finite. Now, that presents another contradiction because in Malachi 3:6 and James 1, they say God cannot change.

[pinkpanther]

So, researching the Bible is dirty work. Okay noted.

Anyhow, in 1 Kings 8:27, it says the entire universe cannot contain God but in John 1, God was contained in a human body. You then explained it by saying God changed his nature, from infinite to finite. Now, that presents another contradiction because in Malachi 3:6 and James 1, they say God cannot change.

Thank you for the quotes. This solved alot of guess work..what do you understand from these 2 quotes...

God's character and plans cannot change according to this 2 verses...

[pinkpanther]

Malachi 3:6 is "God's Unchanging Faithfulness"

[pinkpanther]

A fitting header for James 1:17 would be "The Source of Every Good Gift"