[Lukongsimi]

I have read many biographies of our Prophet including one from a credible historian Karen Armstrong.

And we Muslims have the most comprehensive historical records of the Prophet.

I read many story books does it tell u all stories are real?

[Ali Imran]

Just one verse is not enough to silence the Unitarians lah...do you how many Bible verses support the Trinity?

How many Bible verses teach the Trinity other then 1 Jn 5:7? Absolutely zero.

[Ali Imran]

I read many story books does it tell u all stories are real?

If you read Stephen King, it's fiction. That is a story book.

Do you read? I am an avid reader. I read all of Tom Clancy, for example. Most of the time when I was young, I read garbage, like Stephen King or John Grisham. When I was a kid, I devoured Enid Blyton.

Now, I don't read fiction anymore.

[pinkpanther]

How many Bible verses teach the Trinity other then 1 Jn 5:7? Absolutely zero.

 If the manuscripts were overwhelmingly consistent with this verse, Christianity would sky rocket and flourish... however, it is honest to remove it if it does not align with reliability.

[Ali Imran]

 If the manuscripts were overwhelmingly consistent with this verse, Christianity would sky rocket and flourish... however, it is honest to remove it if it does not align with reliability.

The growth of Christianity from the early days wasn't due to the scriptures. Early Christians don't have access to the Bible and most common Christians were not able to read Hebrew or Greek or Latin. 

The first complete English Bible came about in the 16th century.

[Ali Imran]

https://youtu.be/gOxe_mpsX4I
Interesting ☝🏻

Why do Christians like those guys there need to lie about Islam?

Because they have no other way to falsify Islam. They need to tell you lies in order to make Islam false.

[Lukongsimi]

Got shock 
Egg looks small crack out double  yolk 
Anyone encounters such ?

[Lukongsimi]

Why do Christians like those guys there need to lie about Islam?

Because they have no other way to falsify Islam. They need to tell you lies in order to make Islam false.

If it’s true nobody can lie about it

[Ali Imran]

If it’s true nobody can lie about it

What kind of an argument is that?

LOL

It's true that Israel killed those paramedics, but initially, they lied about it. And then, a video from one of the victims who recorded the event on his hp was found in the mass grave the Israelis buried them. And now, the whole world knows the truth. Israel lied to the world.

So yes, they lied about the truth and your argument is rather silly to say nobody can lie about the truth.

[pinkpanther]

Why do Christians like those guys there need to lie about Islam?

Because they have no other way to falsify Islam. They need to tell you lies in order to make Islam false.

According to the video Ubay the master of Quran said that there are 200 verses missing from surah 33..even Aisha attested to it

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LkXw3zKIKRk?s...gXQCTkH1sv

[Ali Imran]

According to the video Ubay the master of Quran said that there are 200 verses missing from surah 33..even Aisha attested to it

There were confusion at the time when the Caliph wanted to put the Quran into a codex. But eventually, it was straightened out and the codex was agreed upon by all the Hafiz, including Ubay ibn Kaab.

The Quran we have today is the same all over the world.

If you want to read more, to be sure that I'm not spinning, I will give you some links to read.

[pinkpanther]

There were confusion at the time when the Caliph wanted to put the Quran into a codex. But eventually, it was straightened out and the codex was agreed upon by all the Hafiz, including Ubay ibn Kaab.

The Quran we have today is the same all over the world.

If you want to read more, to be sure that I'm not spinning, I will give you some links to read.

One of the reasons stated for the loss of
verses was due to the death of all the hafiz in a battle..anyway I believe we will get back to this topic again ...I don't want to read again.

[Ali Imran]

One of the reasons stated for the loss of
verses was due to the death of all the hafiz in a battle..anyway I believe we will get back to this topic again ...I don't want to read again.

No, you're mistaken.

There was a fear that the few hundred Hafiz would die in battle and that would result in the loss of the Quran. But that fear didn't materialize. 

Do read from Muslim websites which gives you our scholars writings, not the many anti-Islam sites, which will tell you half-truths most of the time, and often tell lies.

[pinkpanther]

Got shock 
Egg looks small crack out double  yolk 
Anyone encounters such ?

Ok..still can eat .2 yolks are better than 1

[Lukongsimi]

No, you're mistaken.

There was a fear that the few hundred Hafiz would die in battle and that would result in the loss of the Quran. But that fear didn't materialize. 

Do read from Muslim websites which gives you our scholars writings, not the many anti-Islam sites, which will tell you half-truths most of the time, and often tell lies.

Moslem condemns the trinity 
Also lies

[pinkpanther]

Moslem condemns the trinity 
Also lies

We will all stand before God on judgment day, but when the moslems face Him, it appears to be a gathering of so many beings..the Quran, black stone, Muhammad, fasting and that doesn't align with the principles of monotheism.

[Ali Imran]

We will all stand before God on judgment day, but when the moslems face Him, it appears to be a gathering of so many beings..the Quran, black stone, Muhammad, fasting and that doesn't align with the principles of monotheism.

I hope you're only saying that to score a ghost point. 

When you're alone by yourself, and if you're honest with yourself, you know you are speaking about Islam with no knowledge. Do know that learned people say Islam is a strict monotheism.

[Ali Imran]

Moslem condemns the trinity 
Also lies

Jesus prays to ONLY the Father, and he taught people to pray to ONLY the Father. Jesus is a strict unitarian like me, not a trinitarian like you.

Is there any verse in the ENTIRE Bible that teaches the Trinity? Zero verse. The only verse that teaches the Trinity, 1 John 5:7, has been taken out because it is a forgery.

[pinkpanther]

I hope you're only saying that to score a ghost point. 

When you're alone by yourself, and if you're honest with yourself, you know you are speaking about Islam with no knowledge. Do know that learned people say Islam is a strict monotheism.

I'm very honest with what I read...there is no bias..the reality with the gathering seems to go against the principle of monotheism

AI

In Islamic belief, several elements are regarded as intercessors on the Day of Judgment, but it's important to understand the context and nuances:

1. **The Quran**: The Quran is considered the literal word of God and a source of guidance. While it is highly revered and can intercede for its reciters and those who uphold its teachings, it is not explicitly described in authentic Hadith as an intercessor on its own in the same way as certain individuals or objects.

2. **The Black Stone (Al-Hajar Al-Aswad)**: The Black Stone, located in the Kaaba in Mecca, holds significant religious symbolism. Some Hadiths suggest that it will intercede for those who touch or kiss it with sincere faith. However, it is not considered an intercessor by itself, but rather a symbol connected to the pilgrimage rituals.

3. **Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)**: Muhammad is regarded as the ultimate intercessor (Shafa'ah) on the Day of Judgment. According to authentic Hadith, he will be granted the privilege to intercede for his Ummah (followers) to seek forgiveness and mercy from Allah.

4. **Fasting**: Fasting, particularly during Ramadan, is a highly virtuous act. Some Hadiths mention that fasting will intercede for the person on the Day of Judgment, advocating for forgiveness and mercy from Allah.

**Summary:** 
While individuals and actions like the Quran, the Black Stone, Prophet Muhammad, and fasting are highly esteemed in Islam and have been described in some Hadiths as having intercessory potential, the primary intercessor on the Day of Judgment is Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Quran and fasting can also intercede for believers, emphasizing their significance in worship and spirituality.

Haven't add in Hafiz

[Ali Imran]

I'm very honest with what I read...there is no bias..the reality with the gathering seems to go against the principle of monotheism

AI

In Islamic belief, several elements are regarded as intercessors on the Day of Judgment, but it's important to understand the context and nuances:

1. **The Quran**: The Quran is considered the literal word of God and a source of guidance. While it is highly revered and can intercede for its reciters and those who uphold its teachings, it is not explicitly described in authentic Hadith as an intercessor on its own in the same way as certain individuals or objects.

2. **The Black Stone (Al-Hajar Al-Aswad)**: The Black Stone, located in the Kaaba in Mecca, holds significant religious symbolism. Some Hadiths suggest that it will intercede for those who touch or kiss it with sincere faith. However, it is not considered an intercessor by itself, but rather a symbol connected to the pilgrimage rituals.

3. **Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)**: Muhammad is regarded as the ultimate intercessor (Shafa'ah) on the Day of Judgment. According to authentic Hadith, he will be granted the privilege to intercede for his Ummah (followers) to seek forgiveness and mercy from Allah.

4. **Fasting**: Fasting, particularly during Ramadan, is a highly virtuous act. Some Hadiths mention that fasting will intercede for the person on the Day of Judgment, advocating for forgiveness and mercy from Allah.

**Summary:** 
While individuals and actions like the Quran, the Black Stone, Prophet Muhammad, and fasting are highly esteemed in Islam and have been described in some Hadiths as having intercessory potential, the primary intercessor on the Day of Judgment is Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Quran and fasting can also intercede for believers, emphasizing their significance in worship and spirituality.

Haven't add in Hafiz

Again I will remind you. Learned people say Islam is a strict monotheism. Who are these learned people? They include Christian, Jewish, Hindus, and such. 

If you want to insist you know more than learned people, go ahead. I know you have almost zero knowledge about Islam. You just want to score what I call a ghost point.

[pinkpanther]

Again I will remind you. Learned people say Islam is a strict monotheism. Who are these learned people? They include Christian, Jewish, Hindus, and such. 

If you want to insist you know more than learned people, go ahead. I know you have almost zero knowledge about Islam. You just want to score what I call a ghost point.

Again I will remind you also.. Learned people say Christianity is a strict monotheism. Who are these learned people? They include Moslem, Jewish, Hindus, and such. 

If you want to insist that there are 3 Gods..go ahead. I know you have almost zero knowledge about Christianity. You just want to score what I call a ghost point 

[Ali Imran]

Again I will remind you also.. Learned people say Christianity is a strict monotheism. Who are these learned people? They include Moslem, Jewish, Hindus, and such. 

If you want to insist that there are 3 Gods..go ahead. I know you have almost zero knowledge about Christianity. You just want to score what I call a ghost point 

LOL

Good night my parrot friend.

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus prays to ONLY the Father, and he taught people to pray to ONLY the Father. Jesus is a strict unitarian like me, not a trinitarian like you.

Is there any verse in the ENTIRE Bible that teaches the Trinity? Zero verse. The only verse that teaches the Trinity, 1 John 5:7, has been taken out because it is a forgery.

U r telling us u have only the body without soul n spirit

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rJod_1xINAc?s...KdgmligLG3

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Good night my parrot friend.

Morning everyone 

I'm a hafiz

[Ali Imran]

U r telling us u have only the body without soul n spirit

Note the pronoun " I " in this verse below. (Deut 32:39)

I, and I alone, am God; no other god is real. I kill and I give life, I wound and I heal, and no one can oppose what I do.

Who is speaking there? Do you know?

[pinkpanther]

Note the pronoun " I " in this verse below. (Deut 32:39)

I, and I alone, am God; no other god is real. I kill and I give life, I wound and I heal, and no one can oppose what I do.

Who is speaking there? Do you know?

Thanks for emphasizing that Christianity is monotheism

[Ali Imran]

Thanks for emphasizing that Christianity is monotheism

Good morning.

That verse came from the Jewish book of Deuteronomy. They are indeed monotheists. They don't believe there are three gods. They discourage their followers from going near a church because they believe Christians are polytheists.

[pinkpanther]

Good morning.

That verse came from the Jewish book of Deuteronomy. They are indeed monotheists. They don't believe there are three gods. They discourage their followers from going near a church because they believe Christians are polytheists.

Early jews in the early centuries believe in 2 persons being God..

Where in the OT can I find that they believe that the Christians are polytheists? 

the OT only lays the groundwork for understanding God's nature and the Trinity doctrine emerged later in the NT