[pinkpanther]

Just ask him if he knows that Christian and Jewish scholars have confirmed the corruption in the Bible.

Ask Wallace

[Ali Imran]

Ask Wallace

Exactly. He already confirmed the corruption. That is why he said you should not trust the Bible 100%.

[Ali Imran]

You don't have much evidence to support your claim either... your argument is primarily based on a single Jewish individual who is afraid of death and unwilling to pay the jizya.

That argument has been defeated and you're still using it?

[pinkpanther]

That argument has been defeated and you're still using it?

Defeated by your illogical response? Many educated individuals also believe that Abdullah is the Mahdi, based on their interpretations...

[pinkpanther]

Exactly. He already confirmed the corruption. That is why he said you should not trust the Bible 100%.

I’ve already said that nothing is 100% certain...you need to allow for minor errors. No scholars or experts would risk their reputation by guaranteeing absolute certainty. What we aim for is a high level of reliability.

[Ali Imran]

Defeated by your illogical response? Many educated individuals also believe that Abdullah is the Mahdi, based on their interpretations...

Abdullah bin Salam lived 1,400+ years ago.

He converted to Islam immediately, before there was any animosity between his tribe and Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم. And also, before any jizya was legislated.

So, your agument has been defeated. But if you have no shame, you can carry on using that argument.

[Ali Imran]

I’ve already said that nothing is 100% certain...you need to allow for minor errors. No scholars or experts would risk their reputation by guaranteeing absolute certainty. What we aim for is a high level of reliability.

Is it certain that a man walking about in Palestine 2000+ years ago is God?

[pinkpanther]

That argument has been defeated and you're still using it?

When General Yamashita took control of Singapore during the war, some learned individuals saw it as a divine sign.... They believed that by learning Japanese and working as Tempeitai, they could demonstrate that the Japanese God was true. 

However, after the war ended, their hopes vanished like smoke.

[pinkpanther]

Is it certain that a man walking about in Palestine 2000+ years ago is God?

Base on the manuscripts, information from scholars and historians..it is highly likely

[Ali Imran]

When General Yamashita took control of Singapore during the war, some learned individuals saw it as a divine sign.... They believed that by learning Japanese and working as Tempeitai, they could demonstrate that the Japanese God was true. 

However,  after the war ended, their hopes vanished like smoke.

So there, your argument about 'afraid of death' and 'unwilling to pay jizya' has been defeated.

[Ali Imran]

Base on the manuscripts, information from scholars and historians..it is highly likely

Not 100% certain?

Imagine that. You don't have 100% faith that Jesus is God.

I have 100% faith that Jesus is a man sent by God but he is NOT God.

[pinkpanther]

So there, your argument about 'afraid of death' and 'unwilling to pay jizya' has been defeated.

Nope..they were defeated because God drove away what they believe...

Because they work for the Japanese, their lives are no longer threatened

[Ali Imran]

Nope..they were defeated because God drove away what they believe...

So not "afraid of death" or "unwilling to pay jizya"?

[Ali Imran]

Christianity is the only religion that preaches "By God's grace." Only Christianity declares that we're so hopelessly flawed (the biblical term is "sinful") that we can never atone for our sins. 

Have you studied all religion? I'm sure you have not. You even admitted you have almost zero knowledge about Islam. 

So why do you make such a dishonest statement? Or perhaps you didn't know that you made a false statement.

[pinkpanther]

Not 100% certain?

Imagine that. You don't have 100% faith that Jesus is God.

I have 100% faith that Jesus is a man sent by God but he is NOT God.

You are mixing up faith with reliability..you cannot use the same measure to quantify faith and reliability... reliability has to undergo many tests..

you cannot have absolute certainty that Jesus is not God simply because Allah has never spoken to you about it.

The Father recognize that Jesus is God..

[Ali Imran]

The Father recognize that Jesus is God..

What do you mean by "recognize"?

[pinkpanther]

So not "afraid of death" or "unwilling to pay jizya"?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean... People are willing to go to great lengths just to survive...even if it takes to give up on their religion and take up a new one

[Ali Imran]

you cannot have absolute certainty that Jesus is not God simply because Allah has never spoken to you about it.

Yes, I have 100% certainty that Jesus is not God, and the Quran, both implicitly and explicitly, confirms Jesus is NOT God.

[pinkpanther]

What do you mean by "recognize"?

Affirm

[pinkpanther]

Yes, I have 100% certainty that Jesus is not God, and the Quran, both implicitly and explicitly, confirms Jesus is NOT God.

 The Torah, Psalms, Injil, and the four Gospels all refer to God as their Father. When I read the Quran, it denies that God can be a Father, which seems inconsistent with these earlier scriptures. Given this discrepancy, how can I trust the Quran completely?

Because the Quran disagree with previous scriptures..there is no way you can believe what the Quran say at 100%

[Ali Imran]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean... People are willing to go to great lengths just to survive...even if it takes to give up on their religion and take up a new one

There was no animosity between the Prophet and the tribe of Banu Qaynuqa when Abdullah bin Salaam. The entire tribe didn't fear the rag-tag Muslims. They were utterly disappointed that the prophet who was supposed to appear in Yathrib wasn't Jewish. That much is true.

So, you cannot keep saying "fear" when there wasn't any. Your argument has been defeated, but maybe you don't know it yet. Keep at it if you like. I will try to show you that your arguments cannot stand.

[Ali Imran]

Affirm

Oh.. that same argument. 

In that case, not just Jesus. God also "affirm" that Moses is God and the judges are Gods.

[Ali Imran]

 The Torah, Psalms, Injil, and the four Gospels all refer to God as their Father. When I read the Quran, it denies that God can be a Father, which seems inconsistent with these earlier scriptures. Given this discrepancy, how can I trust the Quran completely?

Because the Quran disagree with previous scriptures..there is no way you can believe what the Quran say at 100%

You said you don't have 100% faith Jesus is God. 

I said I am 100% sure Jesus is not God. 

And, I now wish to remind you that you lack basic knowledge of scriptural criticism. So, it is best you ask instead of making statements about the scriptures. We can already see that you don't have much knowledge.

[Ali Imran]

So how come Pink cannot have 100% faith in Jesus as God?

Because the Bible is corrupted, correct?

[pinkpanther]

You said you don't have 100% faith Jesus is God. 

I said I am 100% sure Jesus is not God. 

I have complete faith in Jesus and am confident that Islam is false because many of its claims lack supporting evidence. I believe the Bible stands on its own and doesn't require external validation. Conversely, it seems that some Muslims feel the need to challenge or question other scriptures, possibly because they've been conditioned to promote Islamic teachings.

[pinkpanther]

So how come Pink cannot have 100% faith in Jesus as God?

Because the Bible is corrupted, correct?

Do you have a brain?

Understand that I see reliability as something measurable, whereas faith is inherently different and cannot be directly compared or quantified.

[pinkpanther]

Oh.. that same argument. 

In that case, not just Jesus. God also "affirm" that Moses is God and the judges are Gods.

Nope .because the header is clear and it reads that God commands moses and Aaron....it is simple to refute your silly tricks

[Ali Imran]

Do you have a brain?

Understand that I see reliability as something measurable, whereas faith is inherently different and cannot be directly compared or quantified.

You did say you cannot be 100% certain Jesus is God because you cannot be 100% certain the Bible is true.

You only said "highly likely" Jesus is God.

And you cannot be certain because the Bible is fallible. (I've toned it down).

[Ali Imran]

Nope .because the header is clear and it reads that God commands moses and Aaron....it is simple to refute your silly tricks

Jesus also said God commanded him. What's the difference?

[Ali Imran]

Nope .because the header is clear and it reads that God commands moses and Aaron....it is simple to refute your silly tricks

Is the header from God? Or from the scholars?