[pinkpanther]

You did say you cannot be 100% certain Jesus is God because you cannot be 100% certain the Bible is true.

You only said "highly likely" Jesus is God.

And you cannot be certain because the Bible is fallible. (I've toned it down).

If you are using faith as a criteria...then I am 100%..if the criteria is reliability..then it is highly likely as I said..which part of it seems đifficult for you to understand?

[Ali Imran]

I have complete faith in Jesus and am confident that Islam is false because many of its claims lack supporting evidence. I believe the Bible stands on its own and doesn't require external validation. Conversely, it seems that some Muslims feel the need to challenge or question other scriptures, possibly because they've been conditioned to promote Islamic teachings.

You said "highly likely" earlier. Now it is complete. Was it completed just a few minutes ago?

[pinkpanther]

Is the header from God? Or from the scholars?

The header is from the author 

[Ali Imran]

The header is from the author 

So not God, okay.

[pinkpanther]

You said "highly likely" earlier. Now it is complete. Was it completed just a few minutes ago?

It is on the criteria of reliability...don play games!

[Ali Imran]

If you are using faith as a criteria...then I am 100%..if the criteria is reliability..then it is highly likely as I said..which part of it seems đifficult for you to understand?

I asked you if it is certain that a man in Palestine 200+ years ago is God, and you said it is highly likely.

Do you want to change that answer?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus also said God commanded him. What's the difference?

Which part seems like a command?

Hebrews 1:8-12
New International Version
8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a]

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
    they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
    like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
    and your years will never end.”[b

[pinkpanther]

I asked you if it is certain that a man in Palestine 200+ years ago is God, and you said it is highly likely.

Do you want to change that answer?

I already answered you base on the manuscripts and etc....yes, it is highly likely.

[pinkpanther]

Abdullah bin Salam lived 1,400+ years ago.

He converted to Islam immediately, before there was any animosity between his tribe and Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم. And also, before any jizya was legislated.

So, your agument has been defeated. But if you have no shame, you can carry on using that argument.

Muhammad came with men and swords!
Again I am not interest in the testimony of a man...the fate of Muhammad's prophethood lies with him? 

[Ali Imran]

Muhammad came with men and swords!
Again I am not interest in the testimony of a man...the fate of Muhammad's prophethood lies with him? 

Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم arrived in Yathrib with another companion, Abu Bakr. There were only 2 of them.

You cast aspersion on the conversion of the learned rabbi but we can dismiss them. Now, you can just disbelieve, without anything to substantiate it.

[Ali Imran]

I already answered you base on the manuscripts and etc....yes, it is highly likely.

Highly likely is not 100% certain.

So why is it that you cannot have 100% certainty in your faith? It is because of the Bible, which Dan Wallace already said is not 100% certain.

[pinkpanther]

Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم arrived in Yathrib with another companion, Abu Bakr. There were only 2 of them.

You cast aspersion on the conversion of the learned rabbi but we can dismiss them. Now, you can just disbelieve, without anything to substantiate it.

Learned Imans convert to Christians everyday!

[Ali Imran]

Learned Imans convert to Christians everyday!

Show me.

[pinkpanther]

Highly likely is not 100% certain.

So why is it that you cannot have 100% certainty in your faith? It is because of the Bible, which Dan Wallace already said is not 100% certain.

Wallace already explained best....i don want to explain faith vs reliability again..if you have no knowledge of the 2...pls go read up and have a discussion later

[pinkpanther]

Show me.

[Ali Imran]

Wallace already explained best....i don want to explain faith vs reliability again..if you have no knowledge of the 2...pls go read up and have a discussion later

Ok then. Please tell me why you cannot be certain Jesus is God? You can only say "highly likely" Jesus is God.

Why is that?

[Ali Imran]

Give me one name of the many Imams who converted to Christianity every day, please.

Just one first.

[pinkpanther]

Ok then. Please tell me why you cannot be certain Jesus is God? You can only say "highly likely" Jesus is God.

Why is that?

Because I have never met Jesus!

After Thomas says, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus replies, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

[pinkpanther]

Give me one name of the many Imams who converted to Christianity every day, please.

Just one first.

Ubayd Allah ibn Jahsh
Imad ud-din Lahiz

My point is that these moslems are learned as well like the Jewish Salaam...but I don use them the minorities to bring up my point to prove Christianity is the truth ...

It is like using children to shield bullets...tell me why does Allah allow all thêse atrocities to unfold...should He put a stop to this 2 groups of moslems?

[pinkpanther]

So not God, okay.

God is the author

[Ali Imran]

Because I have never met Jesus!

After Thomas says, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus replies, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

So it wasn't Jesus who said he is God. The author of that Gospel was telling us what Thomas said. We don't have the exact words Thomas said. We only have what has been translated to Greek. The original words are lost. 

This is why I don't blame you for having, at best, "highly likely" faith. It is because the NT is as such that it creates doubts and causes confusion.

Do you agree that if the almighty God sends us guidance, it should not create doubts or cause confusion? Of course you would agree.

[Ali Imran]

God is the author

Literally, or jestingly?

[pinkpanther]

So it wasn't Jesus who said he is God. The author of that Gospel was telling us what Thomas said. We don't have the exact words Thomas said. We only have what has been translated to Greek. The original words are lost. 

This is why I don't blame you for having, at best, "highly likely" faith. It is because the NT is as such that it creates doubts and causes confusion.

Do you agree that if the almighty God sends us guidance, it should not create doubts or cause confusion? Of course you would agree.

Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Everything is written ..what you don have is the exact details of Jesus in your Quran ..without the Bible's explanations, your knowledge of Jesus is kosong..yes a big fat Jiro..ironically the Bible is not one of Allah's approved books..

I agree that if the almighty God sends us guidance, it should not create doubts or cause confusion...we are very clear of our scriptures...the ghost book , the Injil is what we call the Islamic dilemma...a confusion in the Islamic paradigm

[pinkpanther]

Literally, or jestingly?

God's inspired author

[Lukongsimi]

More  Muslims have converted to the Way of Jesus Christ in the last four  decades than in all the other years since the advent of Islam in the 7th  Century. Something is certainly happening among Muslims and there is an  openness in their society that was not there before. It’s also  important to note that large numbers of nominal Christians, especially  in Europe, are converting to Islam--a main reason being so they can  marry Muslim women. Who has more converts? Not sure about that. I will  say that Muslims converting to Christianity often pay a heavy price in  terms of persecution, and that Westerners converting to Islam are  afforded generous protection by their governments.
But here is the question: why are some Muslims attracted to the way of Jesus Christ? Here are some of the main reasons:

1) The Bible. We forget how compelling and convincing Jesus' teachings and parables are. He was certainly, among other things, a highly talented teacher, and his parables and sayings have the ability to lodge themselves into a person's mind, even after only one hearing. His insights into human nature, society, kindness, forgiveness, and God's power--not to mention the many miracles he worked--are convincing to a good number of Muslims. Of course, Islam teaches that the Christian and Jewish Scriptures are muharraf--corrupted. But after a fair reading of the Gospels, sometimes the integrity and wisdom found therein can break through this Islamic doctrine. Incidentally, Muslim background believers from my experience tend to center their thought on the Gospels much more than Paul's epistles--very different than the evangelical tradition which has, in practice at least, tended to give primacy to the Pauline epistles.

2) Dreams & Miracles. What can I say? They are happening, and folks here don't have the initial inclination that Westerners do to "disprove" or "figure out how it was done." A miracle is from God--it's that simple. Often times in dreams people see Jesus, though at times it is one of the saints. This may not result in conversion, but it opens a path of inquiry that sometimes leads to conversion.

3) Charity. "They will know that we are Christians by our love." One refugee from an Arab country received some help from some Christians, and he said, "We come here and we receive nothing from the Muslims--the Christians are the only ones who take care of us. I know nothing of your religion, but I will become a Christian." We think of things like the Inquisition and the Crusades, but we forget the quiet, persistent witness of kind, caring Christians from all traditions, including Catholics and Orthodox. Which brings to mind something that Saint Francis, another apostle to the Muslims, said, "Let us not seek to be loved, so much as to love others." If you need to be reminded of the quiet work of the Church around you, just look at how many schools and hospitals are run by Christians or were founded by various churches.

4) Christian Community. Traditionalist, orthodox Islam teaches that a man should not speak to a woman unless they are married or of the same family. It is a witness to the beauty of the Christian community, and thus its faith, when Muslims see genuine respect and friendship between men and women who are neither related or married to each other. The assumption among Muslims is that this sort of thing must lead to fornication or adultery; on the other hand, young men and women sincerely yearn for fellowship with members of the opposite sex. When they see this among Christians it reveals that we are a peculiar people, that there is something different about us: fellowship, conversation, and friendship but without all the adultery and fornication they are told must result.

5) The unconditional love of God. In orthodox Islam you're never quite sure of God's disposition towards you. If you have been very good, he might love you. If not? Who knows. There is a verse in the Qur'an about a people who love Allah, and Allah will love them. But it turns out that this verse is actually a threat against Muslims who will not engage in Jihad--if they won't follow the instruction to exert themselves on Allah's behalf, then he'll find someone better--the people who will love him and whom he will love. Christianity is different, proposing that God's love is unconditional and directed towards each and every person. That is an attractive teaching for many Muslims who are apprehensive about the deity's disposition towards them.

There are other reasons as well, but my experience is that these are the main reasons why Muslims are attracted to the way of Jesus Christ. The challenge is getting people to think. Islam teaches that it alone is the reasonable and logical religion. Most humans (including in the West, increasingly) have extremely weak critical thinking skills due to various reasons, so this assertion is simply accepted. These are five things which I know have been important in challenging that assumption, which have led people to ask new questions and venture down new paths.

[Lukongsimi]

Several imams have converted to Christianity, including Mario Joseph, a former Muslim imam who became a Catholic priest according to the Catholic News Agency. Other examples include Farooq, who went into hiding after his Christian faith was made public, and Tamir, Salomon, and Michael, who were persecuted for their conversions in Uganda. 

[Ali Imran]

Ubayd Allah ibn Jahsh

What made him convert? It would be interesting to know the reason why he became a Christian but sadly, we don't know.  And no, he is not an Imam, not even the fingernail of an Imam. 

When I gave you Abdullah bin Salaam, he told people why he converted. At first, he was only receiving news of a Prophet in Makkah, 300+ km away. Even then, he was already anxious. Remember, they were expecting a prophet to come in that area and they have been waiting for over 500 years. So I can imagine the excitement he had upon hearing the news the first time. His faith was already halfway. It went full when Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم arrived. That's the gist of it. We can go into detail if you like.

And Abdullah bin Salaam was an Imam, or in your terms, a rabbi.

[Ali Imran]

Several imams have converted to Christianity, including Mario Joseph, a former Muslim imam who became a Catholic priest according to the Catholic News Agency. Other examples include Farooq, who went into hiding after his Christian faith was made public, and Tamir, Salomon, and Michael, who were persecuted for their conversions in Uganda. 

You do know that you're gullible right?

[Lukongsimi]

When the pachik refuses to accept the truth he will say all
Kinds of silly remarks
Lol

[Ali Imran]

Imad ud-din Lahiz

Also not an Imam.