[Ali Imran]

Singapore's population is quite small. You might want to consider your good friend CKPM , who is actively gaining non-Christians from other places to convert... Are the Moslem community in Singapore engaging in similar efforts as CKPM?

No, we don't. Nothing like it. I have never heard of any Muslim organizations in Singapore engaging in a similar effort to CKPM.

But despite our putting in no effort, we still have an organization that supports converts to Islam, with their own building. So yes, despite no effort, we still get converts.

[pinkpanther]

It mentions 3 African states with a large Muslim population. So which state in Africa has a large Muslim population that is seeing thousands leaving the faith every day, as you claimed?

"From various reports and intervew between Maher Abdallah and Shiekh Ahmed Katani about the issue of 6 million muslims leaving Islam every year in Africa alone"

So that is a daily average of 16k

[Ali Imran]

"From various reports and intervew between Maher Abdallah and Shiekh Ahmed Katani about the issue of 6 million muslims leaving Islam every year in Africa alone"

So that is a daily average of 16k

The African states with a large Muslim population are listed, Kenya, Ghana, and Nigeria. None of the 3 supports that claim.

So do we know which African state they are referring to?

[pinkpanther]

No, we don't. Nothing like it. I have never heard of any Muslim organizations in Singapore engaging in a similar effort to CKPM.

But despite our putting in no effort, we still have an organization that supports converts to Islam, with their own building. So yes, despite no effort, we still get converts.

So, Islam tends to take a more passive approach, waiting rather than actively spreading its message elsewhere.

In contrast, I can tell you that every church actively conducts dawah within Singapore, whether in their local neighborhoods or during mission trips.

[pinkpanther]

The African states with a large Muslim population are listed, Kenya, Ghana, and Nigeria. None of the 3 supports that claim.

So do we know which African state they are referring to?

Your pew research consist only of 3 african countries
While my claim is referring to the whole of Africa lah

[Ali Imran]

So, Islam tends to take a more passive approach, waiting rather than actively spreading its message elsewhere.

In contrast, I can tell you that every church actively conducts dawah within Singapore, whether in their local neighborhoods or during mission trips.

Yes, that is true. Christians here are more active.

But like I've said, despite no effort, we still get converts to Islam. The Muslim have a thriving centre, Darul Arqam, an organization for Muslim Converts, with their own building.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, that is true. Christians here are more active.

But like I've said, despite no effort, we still get converts to Islam. The Muslim have a thriving centre, Darul Arqam, an organization for Muslim Converts, with their own building.

Why are they not actively conducting dawah if they think Islam is the truth...don they want more people to be saved?

It is a responsibility for moslems to give Dawah...why I don see any approach by moslem

[Ali Imran]

Your pew research consist only of 3 african countries
While my claim is referring to the whole of Africa lah

Ok.  I don't know about other African states like Zambia or Angola because Pew doesn't have the data. That means Pew cannot support or falsify that claim in other African states.

But the fact remains, your claim is falsified by Pew with data from 3 African states.

[Ali Imran]

Why are they not actively conducting dawah if they think Islam is the truth...don they want more people to be saved?

It is a responsibility for moslems to give Dawah...why I don see any approach by moslem

We see a lot of dakwah efforts outside of Singapore, like in Malaysia, or Indonesia, or the many western countries like the US, which is seeing a huge number of Muslim converts, many of them intellectuals.

But in Singapore, no. Please don't ask me why.

[pinkpanther]

Ok.  I don't know about other African states like Zambia or Angola because Pew doesn't have the data. That means Pew cannot support or falsify that claim in other African states.

But the fact remains, your claim is falsified by Pew with data from 3 African states.

What is falsified? I already make it clear it is from the whole of Africa...not necessary from moslem dominant african countries...

[pinkpanther]

We see a lot of dakwah efforts outside of Singapore, like in Malaysia, or Indonesia, or the many western countries like the US, which is seeing a huge number of Muslim converts, many of them intellectuals.

But in Singapore, no. Please don't ask me why.

you can't do much for Palestine, but you can do your part to be the first one to give dawah here...surely you will be guaranteed jannah

[Ali Imran]

What is falsified? I already make it clear it is from the whole of Africa...not necessary from moslem dominant african countries...

LOL

Your wols. Let me try another way. Of the 54 states in Africa, we have data from 3 of them that falsify the claim made by your witnesses. 

For the other 51 states, we don't have any data. So, for those 51 states, we don't know if your claim is true or not.

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Your wols. Let me try another way. Of the 54 states in Africa, we have data from 3 of them that falsify the claim made by your witnesses. 

For the other 51 states, we don't have any data. So, for those 51 states, we don't know if your claim is true or not.

But you have nothing to prove my statement false ..like I said again there were numerous reports that substantiate that figure to be 16k

[Ali Imran]

But you have nothing to prove my statement false ..like I said again there were numerous reports that substantiate that figure to be 16k

Neither do you have any proof to show it is true, except for those 3 states, which can be proven to be false.

Your reports, are they peer-reviewed?

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Your wols. Let me try another way. Of the 54 states in Africa, we have data from 3 of them that falsify the claim made by your witnesses. 

For the other 51 states, we don't have any data. So, for those 51 states, we don't know if your claim is true or not.

I'm not even quoting reports..I will direct you to a moslem.
You believe in Ali Dawah?

[pinkpanther]

Neither do you have any proof to show it is true, except for those 3 states, which can be proven to be false.

Your reports, are they peer-reviewed?

Why do I need peer reviewed if moslems endorsed what I said

[Ali Imran]

Why do I need peer reviewed if moslems endorsed what I said

Anybody can say anything on the internet. Anybody can pretend to be Muslim and give interviews and such. You need to be careful where you get your information.

[pinkpanther]

Why are Muslims leaving Islam? ~ Dr. Yasir Qadhi | 29th August 2014

[Ali Imran]

I'm not even quoting reports..I will direct you to a moslem.
You believe in Ali Dawah?

Ali Dakwah says 100,000. You said a few million. That is a stretch isn't it?

I told you. I don't doubt that there are Muslims who leave Islam. I heard of a few here in Singapore.

[pinkpanther]

Anybody can say anything on the internet. Anybody can pretend to be Muslim and give interviews and such. You need to be careful where you get your information.

Should I not believe in Ali Dawah ..this fellow had did alot for moslems while you have done very much nothing

[Ali Imran]

Should I not believe in Ali Dawah ..this fellow had did alot for moslems while you have done very much nothing

Ali Dakwah said 100,000. I can believe that. The Pew Research graph I gave earlier can support that number.

But you said millions. That is a stretch.

[pinkpanther]

Ali Dakwah said 100,000. I can believe that. The Pew Research graph I gave earlier can support that number.

But you said millions. That is a stretch.

https://globalchristianrelief.org/christ...each-year/

[pinkpanther]

To rẻ enforce my earlier claims of the
interview between Maher Abdallah and Shiekh Ahmed Katani about the issue of 6 million muslims leaving Islam every year in Africa alone

This is also taken from global Christians relief.org

A Surprising Statistic: 6 Million Per Year in Africa Alone
One of the most widely cited claims comes from Sheikh Ahmad Al Qataani, a prominent Muslim leader. In a televised interview on Al-Jazeera in 2001, he stated that every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. That adds up to 16,000 per day, or approximately 6 million per year—in Africa alone. While the numbers have been debated, no one can deny the broader trend of conversions from Islam to Christianity.

https://globalchristianrelief.org/christ...each-year/

[pinkpanther]

Ali Dakwah said 100,000. I can believe that. The Pew Research graph I gave earlier can support that number.

But you said millions. That is a stretch.

Your pew research is restricted to only a few african countries lah...

[pinkpanther]

A learned Muslim usually won't change his belief in 1 God and instead accept a man walking and talking as God.

Please be aware that millions of Muslims are leaving Islam each year and no longer believe in the one God you refer to as Allah.

[Ali Imran]

To rẻ enforce my earlier claims of the
interview between Maher Abdallah and Shiekh Ahmed Katani about the issue of 6 million muslims leaving Islam every year in Africa alone

This is also taken from global Christians relief.org

A Surprising Statistic: 6 Million Per Year in Africa Alone
One of the most widely cited claims comes from Sheikh Ahmad Al Qataani, a prominent Muslim leader. In a televised interview on Al-Jazeera in 2001, he stated that every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. That adds up to 16,000 per day, or approximately 6 million per year—in Africa alone. While the numbers have been debated, no one can deny the broader trend of conversions from Islam to Christianity.

https://globalchristianrelief.org/christ...each-year/

"While the numbers have been debated" is a euphemism for "cannot confirm".

[Ali Imran]

Please be aware that millions of Muslims are leaving Islam each year and no longer believe in the one God you refer to as Allah.

That number cannot confirm true or not.

[pinkpanther]

That number cannot confirm true or not.

Take it from the sheikh...that was back in 2001.
If what he said was the truth...it could be higher today

[Ali Imran]

Take it from the sheikh...that was back in 2001.
If what he said was the truth...it could be higher today

But we can't confirm if what he said is true. Correct?

[pinkpanther]

But we can't confirm if what he said is true. Correct?

I'm a nice guy, I will give you the benefit of doubt.
The figures may not be precise, but he did give an interview concerning Muslims choosing to leave Islam.