[Ali Imran]

I'm sure you have forgotten what I wrote yesterday

You're quite the early riser.

Do you have to go to work?

[pinkpanther]

OK cool.

So we know that the devil can appear as Jesus to some people.

How do we know the one who visited LKSM isn't the devil impersonating Jesus?

It's very simple... His premonitions aren't about any new revelation. Lksm predicted earthquakes beforehand,  that didn't alter the fundamental principles of our faith....if it is the devil, it will try to deviate you from the right path...

Can the devil appear to Muhammad in his dreams?
Yes as a matter of fact...and in real life ,Muhammad was under a spell for a long period of time ..Aisha even said that Muhammad believed that he was having sex but he was not

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/R51yMQSsybk?si=a8OxGjfiBmuJ8k5-

[pinkpanther]

You're quite the early riser.

Do you have to go to work?

Work is just a stone throw away...I have to get prepared around 7.30pm

[pinkpanther]

https://youtu.be/R51yMQSsybk?si=a8OxGjfiBmuJ8k5-

Hello my friend ...good to see you again

[pinkpanther]

So you have Alexandrian text and they differ from Byzantine text?

That is beyond my pay grade .the point I wanted to make is that scholars find his works bias

[Ali Imran]

It's very simple... His premonitions aren't about any new revelation. Lksm predicted earthquakes beforehand,  that didn't alter the fundamental principles of our faith....if it is the devil, it will try to deviate you from the right path...

I was just using LKSM as an example. 

So, if Jesus appears to you and what he says aligns with what you believe, that means it's Jesus and not the devil. But if what Jesus said is not aligned with what you believe, then it's the devil. 

Well, what if Jesus wanted to correct you? Wouldn't he be saying things that do not align with what you believe?

[Ali Imran]

Can the devil appear to Muhammad in his dreams?
Yes as a matter of fact...and in real life ,Muhammad was under a spell for a long period of time ..Aisha even said that Muhammad believed that he was having sex but he was not

No, that is false. Our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم wasn't under a spell. He was always under the protection of Allah from the devil.

[Ali Imran]

That is beyond my pay grade .the point I wanted to make is that scholars find his works bias

Most scholars say the longer ending of Mark is spurious. They think it is a later addition.

When someone else made an addition to a book, would you call that a corruption? Or a manipulation?

[pinkpanther]

Well, what if Jesus wanted to correct you? Wouldn't he be saying things that do not align with what you believe?

That depends on the message. .

[pinkpanther]

Most scholars say the longer ending of Mark is spurious. They think it is a later addition.

When someone else made an addition to a book, would you call that a corruption? Or a manipulation?

Mark's longer endings is found in vast amount of the Greek manuscripts...it is definitely not a corruption

[Ali Imran]

That depends on the message. .

So there is no sure way of determining if it's Jesus or the devil.

[pinkpanther]

So there is no sure way of determining if it's Jesus or the devil.

Yes...there is a sure way from your prophet ..he makes it easier to tell and I agree with him 
.

[Ali Imran]

Yes...there is a sure way from your prophet ..he makes it easier to tell and I agree with him 
.

I can't see your image when I'm not in Singapore.

How would you tell if it is Jesus or the devil?

[Ali Imran]

Mark's longer endings is found in vast amount of the Greek manuscripts...it is definitely not a corruption

It is not found in the earliest complete manuscripts, the codex Sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus. That's why scholars opined that it is a later addition.

[pinkpanther]

I can't see your image when I'm not in Singapore.

How would you tell if it is Jesus or the devil?

Sahih Muslim 2261 a
Abu Salama reported:

I used to see dreams (and was so much perturbed) that I began to quiver and have temperature, but did not cover myself with a mantle. I met Abu Qatada and made a mention of that to him. He said: I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: A good vision comes from Allah and a (bad) dream (hulm) from devil. So when one of you sees a bad dream (hulm) which he does not like, he should spit on his left side thrice and seek refuge with Allah from its evil; then it will not harm him.

[pinkpanther]

It is not found in the earliest complete manuscripts, the codex Sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus. That's why scholars opined that it is a later addition.

Is a later addition a corruption? The answer is No...because we have proof of its existent in vast numbers

[Ali Imran]

Sahih Muslim 2261 a
Abu Salama reported:

I used to see dreams (and was so much perturbed) that I began to quiver and have temperature, but did not cover myself with a mantle. I met Abu Qatada and made a mention of that to him. He said: I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: A good vision comes from Allah and a (bad) dream (hulm) from devil. So when one of you sees a bad dream (hulm) which he does not like, he should spit on his left side thrice and seek refuge with Allah from its evil; then it will not harm him.

Ok. But that doesn't answer my question.

How would you know if it is Jesus and not the devil?

[pinkpanther]

I can't see your image when I'm not in Singapore.

How would you tell if it is Jesus or the devil?

There are many things that I agree with your prophet...dreams and visions is one of them .the other is the deficiency in a woman's brain

[Ali Imran]

Is a later addition a corruption? The answer is No...because we have proof of its existent in vast numbers

Surely yes, it is a corruption. When the original has been changed, it is definitely a corruption.

If you don't like the word "corruption", we can call it manipulation. Some people manipulated the scriptures, for what reasons?

[pinkpanther]

No, that is false. Our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم wasn't under a spell. He was always under the protection of Allah from the devil.

Are you sure? You don read what is negative isnt it..

Yes, some ahadith in Sahih al-Bukhari describe an incident where the Prophet Muhammad was believed to be under the influence of magic. Specifically, it's narrated that he had thoughts of engaging in intimacy with his wives while not actually doing so, due to the effects of magic. This incident is linked to a man named Labid bin Al-A'sam, a Jew, who reportedly cast a spell on the Prophet using a comb and hair. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

The Spell:
The hadith describes the magic affecting the Prophet's mind, causing him to imagine he was performing actions he wasn't. 

The Perpetrator:
The spell is attributed to Labid bin Al-A'sam, a Jewish man from Medina. 

The Materials:
The spell is said to have been worked using a comb and hair, possibly with other items like a pollen skin, according to some narrations. 

Discovery and Healing:
The Prophet eventually became aware of the spell and, through divine intervention, discovered the location of the materials used (a well). 

Response:
The Prophet, upon discovering the well, had it filled with earth, and Allah healed him from the effects of the magic. 

Scholarly Interpretations:
Sunni scholars generally accept the authenticity of these ahadith and interpret them as a test for the Prophet and a demonstration of Allah's power to heal.

[pinkpanther]

Surely yes, it is a corruption. When the original has been changed, it is definitely a corruption.

If you don't like the word "corruption", we can call it manipulation. Some people manipulated the scriptures, for what reasons?

It was there in huge numbers...you cannot say it is falsely written...there is no wrong to assume it to be an later addition when compared to codex or other manuscripts....

 there is a footnote on the longer ending of mark..

[pinkpanther]

Ok. But that doesn't answer my question.

How would you know if it is Jesus and not the devil?

Like what Muhammad said in general...good dreams are from God, bad dreams are from the devil

[Ali Imran]

Are you sure? You don read what is negative isnt it..

Yes, some ahadith in Sahih al-Bukhari describe an incident where the Prophet Muhammad was believed to be under the influence of magic. Specifically, it's narrated that he had thoughts of engaging in intimacy with his wives while not actually doing so, due to the effects of magic. This incident is linked to a man named Labid bin Al-A'sam, a Jew, who reportedly cast a spell on the Prophet using a comb and hair. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

The Spell:
The hadith describes the magic affecting the Prophet's mind, causing him to imagine he was performing actions he wasn't. 

The Perpetrator:
The spell is attributed to Labid bin Al-A'sam, a Jewish man from Medina. 

The Materials:
The spell is said to have been worked using a comb and hair, possibly with other items like a pollen skin, according to some narrations. 

Discovery and Healing:
The Prophet eventually became aware of the spell and, through divine intervention, discovered the location of the materials used (a well). 

Response:
The Prophet, upon discovering the well, had it filled with earth, and Allah healed him from the effects of the magic. 

Scholarly Interpretations:
Sunni scholars generally accept the authenticity of these ahadith and interpret them as a test for the Prophet and a demonstration of Allah's power to heal.

A lot of those Hadith are weak, and confusing.

[Ali Imran]

Like what Muhammad said in general...good dreams are from God, bad dreams are from the devil

Ok. We will leave it at that. There is no way to determine if it's Jesus or the devil.

[pinkpanther]

A lot of those Hadith are weak, and confusing.

Yes, some narrations in Sahih al-Bukhari describe an incident where Prophet Muhammad was believed to have been affected by magic. Specifically, one hadith narrates that Aisha reported that magic was worked on the Prophet, causing him to imagine that he had sexual relations with his wives when he had not. This hadith is found in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 71, Number 660. 

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6391

[pinkpanther]

Ok. We will leave it at that. There is no way to determine if it's Jesus or the devil.

Lksm, me and Muhammad can differentiate what is from God and what is not....why are you standing on the opposite side?

[Ali Imran]

Yes, some narrations in Sahih al-Bukhari describe an incident where Prophet Muhammad was believed to have been affected by magic. Specifically, one hadith narrates that Aisha reported that magic was worked on the Prophet, causing him to imagine that he had sexual relations with his wives when he had not. This hadith is found in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 71, Number 660. 

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6391

Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was just a man. He can get sick and such. But we know he was constantly under the protection of Allah. Similarly, we believe the son of Mary, pbuh, was also just a man, and constantly under the protection of Allah.

[Ali Imran]

Lksm, me and Muhammad can differentiate what is from God and what is not....why are you standing on the opposite side?

Bad dreams, or nightmares, are different. Also good dreams.

But we are talking about theology here. Dreams of Jesus are theologically based and we are already in agreement that the devil can impersonate Jesus and appear in a vision. You said it was the devil who impersonated Jesus and appeared before Joseph Smith. That has nothing to do with good or bad dreams. We also have Paul of Tarsus, who claimed to have a vision of Jesus appearing before him. Was that the devil or Jesus? You have no way to tell.

[pinkpanther]

Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was just a man. He can get sick and such. But we know he was constantly under the protection of Allah. Similarly, we believe the son of Mary, pbuh, was also just a man, and constantly under the protection of Allah.

Where in the Hadith mention that Muhammad is sick..He was under a spell..Jesus was tempted by the devil for 40 days but he refused to give in