[pinkpanther]

Yes, that's what you believe, that Jesus paid for your sins with his blood.

So your sins must be paid for with blood. There is no forgiveness.

That is the purpose of a sinless Jesus...taking on the sins of the world ...He atoned for the sins of humanity, offering a path to forgiveness and reconciliation with God for those who believe and repent....but you want to punish those who sins ergo you are the anti Christ! 

A sinless Jesus in the Quran is pretty much redundant without serving out His purpose

[Ali Imran]

That is the purpose of a sinless Jesus...taking on the sins of the world ...He atoned for the sins of humanity, offering a path to forgiveness and reconciliation with God for those who believe and repent....but you want to punish those who sins ergo you are the anti Christ! 

A sinless Jesus in the Quran is pretty much redundant without serving out His purpose

So God didn't forgive sins. The sins of the world must be paid.

[pinkpanther]

A crime is an action that constitutes an offense. Gay sex is an offense, according to the Bible; ergo, gay sex is a crime.

So why do you advocate for persecuting theft but not gay sex, which is a greater offense in the sight of God?

So you know better than pope Francis?

On Tuesday, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a crime and a sin with regard to homosexuality. “It's not a crime. Yes, but it's a sin,” he said. “Fine, but first let's distinguish between a sin and a crime.

[pinkpanther]

So God didn't forgive sins. The sins of the world must be paid.

God doesn't want any more blood sacrifices for your sins....Jesus was the final sacrifice!

[Ali Imran]

So you know better than pope Francis?

On Tuesday, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a crime and a sin with regard to homosexuality. “It's not a crime. Yes, but it's a sin,” he said. “Fine, but first let's distinguish between a sin and a crime.

I know what a crime is. I've defined it clearly just a moment ago.

So, gay sex is a crime in the Bible, but not a crime according to the secular state. Are you okay with that?

[Ali Imran]

God doesn't want any more blood sacrifices for your sins....Jesus was the final sacrifice!

Okay. My point remains. God didn't forgive your sins. It was paid for by Jesus's blood, according to your Bible.

[Ali Imran]

Going to sleep now.

[pinkpanther]

I know what a crime is. I've defined it clearly just a moment ago.

So, gay sex is a crime in the Bible, but not a crime according to the secular state. Are you okay with that?

It is talking about sins in the Bible...the Bible talks no crimes lah..

If it is a crime for adultery, then Jesus should hand the adulterer to the authority but No...it is about sins

[pinkpanther]

Okay. My point remains. God didn't forgive your sins. It was paid for by Jesus's blood, according to your Bible.

It is a way to reconcile humanity with God.

[Lukongsimi]

in Leviticus 17:11

For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. (ESV)

One thing to clarify is that God is connecting the shedding of blood with the giving of a life. For example, in the sacrificial system, the Israelites could not simply pick an animal, and gather a few drops of blood for the alter. That wouldn't be sufficient.

When we think of our salvation that Jesus accomplished, Jesus could not have shed a little blood on the cross and then come down off of it. He had to literally give his life. So the shedding of blood is a reference to the giving of an innocent life in exchange for the life of a guilty person. 

This goes all the way back to Genesis 3 where God took the lives of animals, fashioned their skins into clothing, and gave the clothes to Adam and Eve as a covering. Those skins replaced the fig leaves that Adam and Eve had created. The leaves were man's attempt to make atonement. But God’s plan involved the shedding of blood. 

[Ali Imran]

It is talking about sins in the Bible...the Bible talks no crimes lah..

If it is a crime for adultery, then Jesus should hand the adulterer to the authority but No...it is about sins

Gay sex is an offense in the Bible, and it is punishable by the law stipulated in the Bible. Ergo, it is a crime and has always been a crime until the 18th century, when the Christians started decriminalizing gay sex.

[Ali Imran]

It is a way to reconcile humanity with God.

Yes, Paul taught that, and only Paul taught that.

Jesus taught differently. Peace and blessings be upon the mighty messenger of God, the son of Mary.

[pinkpanther]

Gay sex is an offense in the Bible, and it is punishable by the law stipulated in the Bible. Ergo, it is a crime and has always been a crime until the 18th century, when the Christians started decriminalizing gay sex.

I already said it is a sin to be condemn...we are under a new convenant no longer bound by the Mosaic law..
Jesus preached love, mercy, forgiveness and compassion..all of these Muhammad perhaps never emphasize ..

That gay act and punishment were only to that specific people and group..the punishment was meant to regulate the Israelites at that time

[pinkpanther]

Yes, Paul taught that, and only Paul taught that.

Jesus taught differently. Peace and blessings be upon the mighty messenger of God, the son of Mary.

Paul emphasize that the crucifixion did take place while Muhammad does not....who taught differently?
There are so many of his teachings that contradicts with Jesus and yet the Islamic God would not show mercy to Jesus by doing the unthinkable to Him...

[Ali Imran]

I already said it is a sin to be condemn...we are under a new convenant no longer bound by the Mosaic law..
Jesus preached love, mercy, forgiveness and compassion..all of these Muhammad perhaps never emphasize ..

That gay act and punishment were only to that specific people and group..the punishment was meant to regulate the Israelites at that time

So the new covenant says gay sex is okay?

[Ali Imran]

Paul emphasize that the crucifixion did take place while Muhammad does not....who taught differently?
There are so many of his teachings that contradicts with Jesus and yet the Islamic God would not show mercy to Jesus by doing the unthinkable to Him...

Islamic teaching on salvation is the same as the teachings of Jesus and other prophets before him.

Salvation only through the blood of Jesus is taught only by Paul, no one else.

[pinkpanther]

So the new covenant says gay sex is okay?

What did Jesus preach? What did He say to the crowd and the adulterer?

[Ali Imran]

What did Jesus preach? What did He say to the crowd and the adulterer?

So gay sex is fine under the new covenant?

[pinkpanther]

Islamic teaching on salvation is the same as the teachings of Jesus and other prophets before him.

Salvation only through the blood of Jesus is taught only by Paul, no one else.

Not only Paul, Peter and John also emphasize the significance of Jesus's blood in atonement for sin and achieving salvation....you don know our Deen!

[pinkpanther]

So gay sex is fine under the new covenant?

I already said it is to be condemned...don try to justify that it is fine because we do not punish them!

What did Jesus teach?

[Ali Imran]

I already said it is to be condemned...don try to justify that it is fine because we do not punish them!

What did Jesus teach?

Jesus taught his followers to adhere to the Mosaic law, not to discard it.

Correct?

[Ali Imran]

Not only Paul, Peter and John also emphasize the significance of Jesus's blood in atonement for sin and achieving salvation....you don know our Deen!

But not Jesus, correct?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus taught his followers to adhere to the Mosaic law, not to discard it.

Correct?

I'm a gentile dey!

[pinkpanther]

But not Jesus, correct?

Mark 10:45:
"For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

[Ali Imran]

I'm a gentile dey!

You asked me what Jesus taught so the answer is what I gave you. Jesus taught to adhere to the Mosaic law.

So, does that mean gay sex is not punishable for the gentiles but punishable for the followers of Jesus?

[Ali Imran]

Mark 10:45:
"For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

So why would Jesus teach his followers that the way to salvation is through repentance and obedience to the Law? If what you believe is true, Jesus would have said that, just believe he will die for your sins and that's it.

[Lukongsimi]

[Lukongsimi]

“But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, When I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; Because they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And write them in their hearts: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭6‬-‭13‬ ‭KJV

[pinkpanther]

So why would Jesus teach his followers that the way to salvation is through repentance and obedience to the Law? If what you believe is true, Jesus would have said that, just believe he will die for your sins and that's it.

Mark said that Jesus gave His life as ransom so why do you believe what your Quran says? Your Quran gave Jesus a bad reputation, put Him in a bad light! It is hypocritical for you to say you love Jesus because what Allah did to Jesus is injustice....

[pinkpanther]

You asked me what Jesus taught so the answer is what I gave you. Jesus taught to adhere to the Mosaic law.

So, does that mean gay sex is not punishable for the gentiles but punishable for the followers of Jesus?

Ultimately, Jesus's teachings shifted the focus from strict adherence to the law as a means of salvation to a focus on love, faith, and a relationship with God. ..

I'm not a Jew, why should I follow Mosaic law! Lksm already explained clearly to you! I will not entertain your stubbornness