[Ali Imran]

Mark said that Jesus gave His life as ransom so why do you believe what your Quran says? Your Quran gave Jesus a bad reputation, put Him in a bad light! It is hypocritical for you to say you love Jesus because what Allah did to Jesus is injustice....

I didn't use the Quran at all. I'm just basing it all on the Gospels.

1. I must forgive others in the hope that God will forgive me. (Matthew 6:12)
2. I must keep the commandments. (Mark 10:19)
3. I must repent. (Luke 5:32)
4. I must make amends. (Luke 19:8)

So, why would Jesus emphasize on all that if the easier path is just to tell people that he will die for their sins and that's all they need to believe and they will attain salvation?

[pinkpanther]

I didn't use the Quran at all. I'm just basing it all on the Gospels.

1. I must forgive others in the hope that God will forgive me. (Matthew 6:12)
2. I must keep the commandments. (Mark 10:19)
3. I must repent. (Luke 5:32)
4. I must make amends. (Luke 19:8)

So, why would Jesus emphasize on all that if the easier path is just to tell people that he will die for their sins and that's all they need to believe and they will attain salvation?

Dying for your sins does not imply that all your sins are automatically forgiven. Instead, it signifies that blood sacrifices are no longer necessary. While seeking forgiveness and repenting are important, belief in Jesus is essential to attain salvation!

[Ali Imran]

Ultimately, Jesus's teachings shifted the focus from strict adherence to the law as a means of salvation to a focus on love, faith, and a relationship with God. ..

I'm not a Jew, why should I follow Mosaic law! Lksm already explained clearly to you! I will not entertain your stubbornness

Didn't Jesus teach his followers that they must be careful to do what the teachers of the Law taught them to do? So there is no doubt. Jesus emphasized the importance of adhering to the Mosaic Law.

Your only argument is that Jesus was teaching his followers, not you. So, Jesus's followers must still carry out the command to punish gay sex, correct?

[Ali Imran]

Dying for your sins does not imply that all your sins are automatically forgiven. Instead, it signifies that blood sacrifices are no longer necessary. While seeking forgiveness and repenting are important, belief in Jesus is essential to attain salvation!

Okay. What about adhering to the Law which is a critical part of attaining salvation? And what about forgiving others? What about making amends? Is all that still necessary? Or is it only for his followers but not you? His followers cannot take the easy path?

[pinkpanther]

Didn't Jesus teach his followers that they must be careful to do what the teachers of the Law taught them to do? So there is no doubt. Jesus emphasized the importance of adhering to the Mosaic Law.

Your only argument is that Jesus was teaching his followers, not you. So, Jesus's followers must still carry out the command to punish gay sex, correct?

The commandments are for the Israelites, judgment is only for them, for that specific people and era!

Show me where it says the judgment and punishment should be held till the end of times! Where?

[pinkpanther]

Okay. What about adhering to the Law which is a critical part of attaining salvation? And what about forgiving others? What about making amends? Is all that still necessary? Or is it only for his followers but not you? His followers cannot take the easy path?

We are not Jews we are no longer under the Mosaic law...if you insist that we should follow, then we should be able to call ourselves the Jews and support them in their cause against the Moslems

[Ali Imran]

The commandments are for the Israelites, judgment is only for them, for that specific people and era!

Show me where it says the judgment and punishment should be held till the end of times! Where?

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matthew 5:18

[Ali Imran]

We are not Jews we are no longer under the Mosaic law...if you insist that we should follow, then we should be able to call ourselves the Jews and support them in their cause against the Moslems

I'm not insisting anything. I'm only asking for clarification.

So you're saying the easy path is not for the Jews. They must keep the commandments, adhere to the Law, forgive others, make amends, all that. Correct?

[Ali Imran]

Dying for your sins does not imply that all your sins are automatically forgiven. Instead, it signifies that blood sacrifices are no longer necessary. While seeking forgiveness and repenting are important, belief in Jesus is essential to attain salvation!

Btw, blood sacrifice was never necessary for the forgiveness of sins, according to Ezekiel.

https://whatjewsbelieve.org/a-blood-sacr...s-of-sins/

[Lukongsimi]

do not cast pearls before swine" advises against sharing something valuable with those who won't appreciate or understand its worth, essentially wasting it on an unappreciative audience. It's a metaphor using the image of pigs trampling valuable pearls, according to some interpretations. The focus is on the recipient's lack of appreciation, not their inherent worth, according to this YouTube video. 

The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the Bible, where Jesus uses it to caution his followers against sharing sacred teachingswith those who would reject or disrespect them.It's not a blanket prohibition against sharing, but rather an encouragement to be discerning about where and to whom one offers valuable things. 

[Lukongsimi]

“We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭15‬-‭21‬ ‭KJV

[pinkpanther]

Btw, blood sacrifice was never necessary for the forgiveness of sins, according to Ezekiel.

https://whatjewsbelieve.org/a-blood-sacr...s-of-sins/

if it is not necessary....why God ask for animals sacrifices in the OT

You don know much!

[Ali Imran]

if it is not necessary....why God ask for animals sacrifices in the OT

You don know much!

Any acts of sacrifice for God will make God pleased with us and when we seek God's forgiveness while God is pleased with us, God will be quick to forgive us. Any form of sacrifice, even our time, if sincerely done for the sake of God, is praiseworthy.

In Leviticus 5, we read that when we cannot afford a cow or a goat for sacrifice, flour will suffice. Flour doesn't have blood. That means, blood is not a requirement. 

In Ezekiel 18, we read how one is to repent, and blood sacrifice is not a requirement.

[cheekopekman]

How come the book of Luke says the parents of John the Baptist were righteous people?

And that's just one example. Many more people are called righteous in the Bible. Why do you contradict the words of your God, which you have many times said is the word of God?

Perhaps I should stop posting my comments here lah!

[pinkpanther]

Any acts of sacrifice for God will make God pleased with us and when we seek God's forgiveness while God is pleased with us, God will be quick to forgive us. Any form of sacrifice, even our time, if sincerely done for the sake of God, is praiseworthy.

When did God ask you to take the lives of others so that He will be please? Is this how you support the jihadists? They took the lives of the innocents as a form of sacrifices to God..

[pinkpanther]

Perhaps I should stop posting my comments here lah!

Whack his backside jialat jialat lah..got what say what

[Lukongsimi]

When did God ask you to take the lives of others so that He will be please? Is this how you support the jihadists? They took the lives of the innocents as a form of sacrifices to God..

Take others lives for salvation also includes blood 🩸 sacrifices

[Ali Imran]

When did God ask you to take the lives of others so that He will be please? Is this how you support the jihadists? They took the lives of the innocents as a form of sacrifices to God..

LOL

So desperate.. like that also jadi.

[pinkpanther]

LOL

So desperate.. like that also jadi.

You have chickens roaming around...do you take one for your own consumption and dedicate it to Allah as a form of atonement for your sins?

[Ali Imran]

You have chickens roaming around...do you take one for your own consumption and dedicate it to Allah as a form of atonement for your sins?

No, I don't do that.

[pinkpanther]

No, I don't do that.

Why? Don you want to go to Jannah?

Any acts of sacrifice for God will make God pleased with us and when we seek God's forgiveness while God is pleased with us, God will be quick to forgive us. Any form of sacrifice, even our time, if sincerely done for the sake of God, is praiseworthy

[pinkpanther]

No, I don't do that.

What is heaven for moslems? What do you think you will be doing for eternity?

[Ali Imran]

What is heaven for moslems? What do you think you will be doing for eternity?

Admire the beauty of Allah's creation. Already, the beauty of this planet in this world is tremendous, and I can never get tired of admiring it. And that's just this planet. 

The next world is going to be even more awesome.

[Ali Imran]

Why? Don you want to go to Jannah?

Any acts of sacrifice for God will make God pleased with us and when we seek God's forgiveness while God is pleased with us, God will be quick to forgive us. Any form of sacrifice, even our time, if sincerely done for the sake of God, is praiseworthy

So, the idea of "no forgiveness without the shedding of blood" is unfounded. Paul made that up.

[pinkpanther]

So, the idea of "no forgiveness without the shedding of blood" is unfounded. Paul made that up.

Not only Paul, John says the same

1 John 4:10 states: "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins."

[pinkpanther]

Admire the beauty of Allah's creation. Already, the beauty of this planet in this world is tremendous, and I can never get tired of admiring it. And that's just this planet. 

The next world is going to be even more awesome.

How do you know what to expect when you have never been there? No one makes it out back to earth and tell you what you need to know!

Would you want to spend eternity roaming and admiring heaven without any purpose?

[cheekopekman]

Whack his backside jialat jialat lah..got what say what

Nevermind lah!  Don't argue or quarrel with people about Bible lah! I believe whatever I believe can liao lah! You entertain them lah!

[Ali Imran]

Not only Paul, John says the same

1 John 4:10 states: "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins."

We are talking about "no forgiveness without the shedding of blood", which means God cannot forgive sins without a blood sacrifice. Paul came up with that, no one else. He came up with that problem in order to propagate the idea of Jesus as the ultimate blood sacrifice.

We can see from reading the OT that God doesn't need blood sacrifice to forgive sins.

[Ali Imran]

How do you know what to expect when you have never been there? No one makes it out back to earth and tell you what you need to know!

Would you want to spend eternity roaming and admiring heaven without any purpose?

That's the problem when you believe God needs to be a man to forgive the sins of mankind.

You will never be able to imagine the power of the ALMIGHTY God.

[pinkpanther]

We are talking about "no forgiveness without the shedding of blood", which means God cannot forgive sins without a blood sacrifice. Paul came up with that, no one else. He came up with that problem in order to propagate the idea of Jesus as the ultimate blood sacrifice.

We can see from reading the OT that God doesn't need blood sacrifice to forgive sins.

You are wrong...go read Leviticus

Leviticus 17:11 states that the life of a creature is in its blood, and God has given it for atonement on the altar