[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XdNKeu8t_4E?s...X_e73JFHJJ

[Ali Imran]

Yes .His words often pointed to the future, with the Holy Spirit eventually revealing more complete understanding to his followers...so the fulfillment is from the Holy spirit...

In the Gospel of John, Jesus promises that after his departure, the Holy Spirit will come to guide his disciples into "all truth" and to "tell them what is to come". ...so we do not need Muhammad!

The fulfillment is the Holy Spirit now. So it changed from Jesus yesterday to the Holy Spirit today.

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cfjrMVVe5GY?s...y9enCGFsQg

[Ali Imran]

the Father is not a part of God but is fully and eternally God, co-equal with the Son and the Holy Spirit, all existing as one God

One fully and eternally God is not yet one God unless there also exists two other fully and eternally Gods. Is that right?

[pinkpanther]

One fully and eternally God is not yet one God unless there also exists two other fully and eternally Gods. Is that right?

The critical point is that these are not three separate gods, but rather three expressions or aspects of the single divine being

[pinkpanther]

The fulfillment is the Holy Spirit now. So it changed from Jesus yesterday to the Holy Spirit today.

It does not mean the work of Jesus has been replaced, but rather that the Spirit's role is to apply Jesus's life, death, and resurrection to believers today, making him known and felt in their hearts and lives.

[Ali Imran]

The critical point is that these are not three separate gods, but rather three expressions or aspects of the single divine being

Is the Father, by Himself, a single divine being?

[pinkpanther]

Is the Father, by Himself, a single divine being?

No...God is one God, but existing as three divine persons

[Ali Imran]

No...God is one God, but existing as three divine persons

If the Father, by himself, is not a single divine being, that means he is a partial divine being.

[pinkpanther]

If the Father, by himself, is not a single divine being, that means he is a partial divine being.

 God is not partial but wholly divine. Therefore, the Father does not become a "partial divine being" but remains fully God, as does each Person of the Trinity

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/n6Lr_QK5SVw?si=yKcnWA5PeSbAbHCG

[Ali Imran]

 God is not partial but wholly divine. Therefore, the Father does not become a "partial divine being" but remains fully God, as does each Person of the Trinity

The Father is 1 fully divine being.

The Son is 1 fully divine being.

The Holy Spirit is 1 fully divine being.

So there are 3 fully divine beings, correct?

[pinkpanther]

The Father is 1 fully divine being.

The Son is 1 fully divine being.

The Holy Spirit is 1 fully divine being.

So there are 3 fully divine beings, correct?

there is one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct, co-equal Persons

[Ali Imran]

there is one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct, co-equal Persons

Is it right to say that you believe in one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct single divine beings?

[Lukongsimi]

Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat again

[pinkpanther]

Is it right to say that you believe in one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct single divine beings?

one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct single divine person.

[pinkpanther]

Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat again

He can repeat for another few more months still useless

He repeats so that he does not need to answer questions on the Quran and hadith

[cheekopekman]

Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat again

He can repeat for another few more months still useless

He repeats so that he does not need to answer questions on the Quran and hadith

Let's move on lah!  Hentak Kaki going nowhere lah!

[pinkpanther]

Let's move on lah!  Hentak Kaki going nowhere lah!

Hentak kaki very long already....flip here and there also cannot rebut the Trinity

[cheekopekman]

Hentak kaki very long already....flip here and there also cannot rebut the Trinity

Dari Kanan dan Kiri Cepat Jalan lah!

[pinkpanther]

The Father is 1 fully divine being.

The Son is 1 fully divine being.

The Holy Spirit is 1 fully divine being.

So there are 3 fully divine beings, correct?

In Islam, one of the 99 names of Allah (God) is “Loving.” But what — or whom — was He loving before creation?

[Ali Imran]

one single divine being (God) who exists as three distinct single divine person.

Are the 3 distinct persons also 3 distinct beings? 

We are doing simple counting. When you say being, I wanna know how many beings? When you say person, I wanna know how many persons. So far, I'm still very confused.

[pinkpanther]

Are the 3 distinct persons also 3 distinct beings? 

We are doing simple counting. When you say being, I wanna know how many beings? When you say person, I wanna know how many persons. So far, I'm still very confused.

There is just one being in three distinct persons...what's so confusing about that? Do you get confused when you see water existing in three different states?

[pinkpanther]

Historical mistake in the Quran: Dirham and countable currency in Egypt

Quran 12:20 states: “And they sold him for a reduced price - a few dirhams - and they were, concerning him, of those content with little.”

Two things need to be noticed with this passage.

First off, dirhams were introduced in the 7th century (AD), evolving from the Greek drachma. The story as detailed in Quran 12:20, taking place in Ancient Egypt, predates the creation of the dirham by many, many centuries. In other words, the Quran gets wrong that dirhams existed in ancient Egypt, and people bargained with them.

You could use the argument that the author of the Quran knew that the ancient Egyptians didn’t have dirhams, but was helping the Arabs at the time visualize a physical currency.

Here’s where the second problem comes in.

Ancient Egyptians of that time had no countable currency. Instead, they ran on a bartering system, measuring the value of items by weighing them. In other words, no countable currency existed in Ancient Egypt, and specifically, when the story of Quran 12:20 takes place.

To summarize, the Quran makes the mistakes of stating that ancient Egyptians had dirhams, as well as the fact that they had a countable currency. Both of these statements are true, and Quran 12:20 wouldn’t play out how it does (in the real world).

[Ali Imran]

There is just one being in three distinct persons...what's so confusing about that? Do you get confused when you see water existing in three different states?

Are the three distinct persons each a being? You will have to answer yes, they are all distinct beings. So you have 3 beings in one being. Is that correct?

[pinkpanther]

Are the three distinct persons each a being? You will have to answer yes, they are all distinct beings. So you have 3 beings in one being. Is that correct?

You are confusing yourself...one being existing in 3 persons..why do you make yourself so complicated .

To say there are "three beings" would imply polytheism (belief in multiple gods), which the doctrine of the Trinity rejects.

The persons are not separate individuals in the way that three humans are three distinct beings.

Instead, they are described as three distinct persons within the single essence or being of God.

[Ali Imran]

Historical mistake in the Quran: Dirham and countable currency in Egypt

Quran 12:20 states: “And they sold him for a reduced price - a few dirhams - and they were, concerning him, of those content with little.”

Two things need to be noticed with this passage.

First off, dirhams were introduced in the 7th century (AD), evolving from the Greek drachma. The story as detailed in Quran 12:20, taking place in Ancient Egypt, predates the creation of the dirham by many, many centuries. In other words, the Quran gets wrong that dirhams existed in ancient Egypt, and people bargained with them.

You could use the argument that the author of the Quran knew that the ancient Egyptians didn’t have dirhams, but was helping the Arabs at the time visualize a physical currency.

Here’s where the second problem comes in.

Ancient Egyptians of that time had no countable currency. Instead, they ran on a bartering system, measuring the value of items by weighing them. In other words, no countable currency existed in Ancient Egypt, and specifically, when the story of Quran 12:20 takes place.

To summarize, the Quran makes the mistakes of stating that ancient Egyptians had dirhams, as well as the fact that they had a countable currency. Both of these statements are true, and Quran 12:20 wouldn’t play out how it does (in the real world).

The simple explanation is dirham is figurative for money. I can render the word dirham in that verse as "a few bucks".

[Ali Imran]

You are confusing yourself...one being existing in 3 persons..why do you make yourself so complicated .

To say there are "three beings" would imply polytheism (belief in multiple gods), which the doctrine of the Trinity rejects.

The persons are not separate individuals in the way that three humans are three distinct beings.

Instead, they are described as three distinct persons within the single essence or being of God.

Being means a state of existence. The Father is distinctly a being, by Himself, according to the Christian creed. Similarly, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are all distinct and they all exist. We can identify all three beings in your Godhead.

[pinkpanther]

The simple explanation is dirham is figurative for money. I can render the word dirham in that verse as "a few bucks".

So dirham is a currency but countable money DID NOT exist in ancient egypt. It was a bartering system

[pinkpanther]

Being means a state of existence. The Father is distinctly a being, by Himself, according to the Christian creed. Similarly, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are all distinct and they all exist. We can identify all three beings in your Godhead.

If you like to create your own words and terms, then go ahead..3 beings in within the Godhead...I can go along with it!