[starbugstk]

If God is perfect, and also loves all creatures, why were carnivores created?

We have three premises here:

1. God is omnipotent
2. God loves all creatures
    a. God would not want creatures to experience pain
3. Carnivores exist
If 3 is true- and it can’t really be disputed- one of the other premises must be wrong.

At the very least, 2a must be wrong. Then, God loves all creatures, but doesn’t consider predators killing prey to be a bad thing. He could redesign the animal kingdom so that animals don’t prey on each other, but surely the gift of life is enough. Who cares if they experience pain?

The next option is that 2 is entirely wrong, and God couldn’t care less about what happens on Earth. Maybe he’s just nicer to humans because we’re made in his image, or maybe we’re just deluded into thinking we’re special. Either way, it means that God certainly isn’t omnibenevolent.

If you don’t like the idea that God is kind of an asshole and lets suffering in the animal kingdom happen whilst being able to stop it, that only really leaves the idea that premise 1 is wrong. God does love all animals, and would stop their suffering if he could, but he can’t! This doesn’t make much sense, though, because of course he created everything as described in Genesis.

So, in summary: for carnivores to exist, God must either not care about the suffering of their prey or be powerless to change the world for the better.

Or, of course, the much easier conclusion is that God doesn’t exist and the entire animal kingdom is the result of competing organisms evolving over hundreds of millions of years.

In answer to your earlier childish question, why do animals have emotions?

Animals were not meant to be robots, emotionless. To give Adam one that has no emotion would not be good for love making. Would you like to keep a dog at home that has no emotions at all?

Dog does not enjoy seeing his master in pain. It is not a sadist it's an animal. The ultimate gain of eternal satisfaction is between me and my dog named Boo which had been borne by its mother Loo. Boo was not afraid of the physical pain. His agony and anguish was compensated by the awesome satisfaction.

I was paying in SIN dollar, and that was the payment in advance. Upon the payment I will receive a voucher to redeem.

God through Christ had demonstrated to us to fear not of scam when DBS has restored to normal and eventually has to raise the price in the Lazada platform. The very things we fear is not enough cash in our account.

God through Christ has opened my granddaughter's legs for my enjoyment and be reconnected with her. The choice to accept or reject it is entirely up to me. If I want to continue to rock, that's my decision. I will answer to my mother, no need to answer to daughter. Nobody is going to judge me.

Excellent answer to a childish question

[KILLjoy]

so sad....

[Oyk]

The beauty in believing in One God for ALL lies in its simplicity

All other iterations complicate things to the extent even you yourself struggle to explain

You are very fond of the word "simple" in all of its applications from writing "simplicity" in a post here that's written to no one in particular, or "simplistic" when commenting on my posts, or using "simpleman" when registering your clone.

There is only One God.  Whether He is "for all", that's the nub of the problem since the beginning of time, whenever that was.

All the angels in heaven bowed/bow to Him.  Then, some rebelled.  Is God any less God "of all" because the demons led by Satan rebelled?

All men are to bow to Him, but some at this forum mocked and sneered, and even created pictures to blaspheme.  Is God diminished because of their unbelief and blasphemy?  If 80% of the world does not believe, God is now only a 20% God, and 80% something else, whatever that might be?

Our belief or unbelief will not change anything.  God is the Creator and is the God of all.  He is the God of both Isaac and Ishmael even if their descendants are now fighting.  He is the God of anyone, of all of us, regardless of what he is worshipping, or not even worshipping at all.

But is He the God 'for" all? No, most men rejected Him. He came unto His own, but they knew Him not.

[starbugstk]

The theory goes that god is not against incest. If he is, then why else would he create only Adam and Eve? One way or another, Adam and Eve's children are having sex with someone in the family.

You mean these?

Yes that's what it is about you

[starbugstk]

With retarded followers like LKSM, Oyk, you think got hope or not leh?

Christ knocks at my door but I wasn't in to receive the parcel from Shopee. Luckily my granddaughter was in, she opened the door with unbuttoned blouse to let him have a brief preview. It increases his heartbeat and shortens his life for sure. He should not depend on anyone except my granddaughter not Kong Hee who's fond of speaking in tongues instead of licking. It should not be distracted by those satanic porn which I had posted of my granddaughter's abalone.

This world is wonderful look at what I did to my mother and granddaughters.
I know myself, I don't have to openly confess that;

1. I am a happy person when my granddaughters are around
2. I am not very contented.
3. I am not in the best of health
4. I can see that my body is aging..the skin is dry, the hair is 70% gone
5. I have a fcuking heart that won't stop
6. I will have to face Death soon

Fcuk is the only hope. I am in it full time. You can judge me according by the way I fcuked.
Your mistake is judging me with my 23 year old grandson.

My balls is in your court nao. Please walk with care thank you.

Wow! Great refute.

[Simplemen]

You are very fond of the word "simple" in all of its applications from writing "simplicity" in a post here that's written to no one in particular, or "simplistic" when commenting on my posts, or using "simpleman" when registering your clone.

There is only One God.  Whether He is "for all", that's the nub of the problem since the beginning of time, whenever that was.

All the angels in heaven bowed/bow to Him.  Then, some rebelled.  Is God any less God "of all" because the demons led by Satan rebelled?

All men are to bow to Him, but some at this forum mocked and sneered, and even created pictures to blaspheme.  Is God diminished because of their unbelief and blasphemy?  If 80% of the world does not believe, God is now only a 20% God, and 80% something else, whatever that might be?

Our belief or unbelief will not change anything.  God is the Creator and is the God of all.  He is the God of both Isaac and Ishmael even if their descendants are now fighting.  He is the God of anyone, of all of us, regardless of what he is worshipping, or not even worshipping at all.

But is He the God 'for" all? No, most men rejected Him.  He came unto His own, but they knew Him not.

You proved my point

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KJUNP8CW-5g?s...s58aRlvdmX

[starbugstk]

The beauty in believing in One God for ALL lies in its simplicity

All other iterations complicate things to the extent even you yourself struggle to explain

You are very fond of the word "simple" in all of its applications from writing "simplicity" in a post here that's written to no one in particular, or "simplistic" when commenting on my posts, or using "simpleman" when registering your clone.

There is only One Motherfucker. Whether He is "for all", that's the nub of the problem since the beginning of time, whenever that was.

When all the angry smaller motherfuckers in heaven bow to me if I ever get there. Some will question. "Who is the greatest Motherfucker of all time?" It's me arseholes!

But some at this forum will mock and sneer, and will even create porn pictures of me with jealousy.
Will Oyk be diminished because of their unbelief and blasphemy? What do you think?

Our belief or unbelief will not change anything. A motherfucker will always be a motherfucker. The Creator cannot be wrong. He is the God of both Zelensky and Netanyahu even if their descendants are now fighting over my granddaughters let them kill each other. I am the Greatest even Mohammed Ali agreed before he died. The Creator of all of us is all powerful regardless of what you are worshipping, or not even worshipping at all.

Amen

I believe in you

[Manthink]

No point arguing with you since you refused to believe lah!  Don't throw your pearls to the pigs lah! What a waste lah!

I am glad chatbot cheekopekman is programmed to understand the Reality of SG rather than getting hang in its "jesus" Cloud..
SG so far has avoided subscribing to just one belief-service - A Warning LKY had made clear decades ago...  

Oh dear ....there must hv been a program bug -

chat-bot cheekopekman suddenly shows sign of emotion on such Topic not Not Believing in X'tianism.

Somehow the chat-bot memory cache lost what it says earlier about "You have the right not to believe lah! "

[Manthink]

You are very fond of the word "simple" in all of its applications from writing "simplicity" in a post here that's written to no one in particular, or "simplistic" when commenting on my posts, or using "simpleman" when registering your clone..

You proved my point

A perfect response to those who are Intolerant to simplicity and different view... 

[RichDad]

[starbugstk]

Bethlehem nearly deserted after Christmas celebrations suspended over Israel-Hamas war
The normally bustling biblical birthplace of Jesus resembled a ghost town on Sunday, as Christmas Eve celebrations in Bethlehem were called off due to the Israel-Hamas war. The festive lights and Christmas tree that normally decorate Manger Square were missing, as were the throngs of foreign tourists who gather each year to mark the holiday.

Issued on: 24/12/2023 - 11:00


Who is more powerful? Christ or The Devil?

[Blasterlord2]

Bethlehem nearly deserted after Christmas celebrations suspended over Israel-Hamas war
The normally bustling biblical birthplace of Jesus resembled a ghost town on Sunday, as Christmas Eve celebrations in Bethlehem were called off due to the Israel-Hamas war. The festive lights and Christmas tree that normally decorate Manger Square were missing, as were the throngs of foreign tourists who gather each year to mark the holiday.

Issued on: 24/12/2023 - 11:00


Who is more powerful? Christ or The Devil?

Went to Bethlehem once. I think got more Muslims there than Jews.

[Manthink]

The beauty in believing in One God for ALL lies in its simplicity
All other iterations complicate things to the extent even you yourself struggle to explain

You are very fond of the word "simple" in all of its applications from writing "simplicity" in a post here that's written to no one in particular, or "simplistic" when commenting on my posts, or using "simpleman" when registering your clone. There is only One God.  Whether He is "for all", that's the nub of the problem since the beginning of time, whenever that was. All the angels in heaven bowed/bow to Him.  Then, some rebelled.  Is God any less God "of all" because the demons led by Satan rebelled?
All men are to bow to Him, but some at this forum mocked and sneered, and even created pictures to blaspheme.  Is God diminished because of their unbelief and blasphemy?  If 80% of the world does not believe, God is now only a 20% God, and 80% something else, whatever that might be? Our belief or unbelief will not change anything.  God is the Creator and is the God of all.  He is the God of both Isaac and Ishmael even if their descendants are now fighting.  He is the God of anyone, of all of us, regardless of what he is worshipping, or not even worshipping at all. But is He the God 'for" all? No, most men rejected Him.  He came unto His own, but they knew Him not.

To each his own lah - Why make Life anymore complicated than it already is in reality where certain Faith-Fools often lost themselves in complicated stories about Afterlife  ?
Not trying to be disrespectful on X'mas Day, but I am glad LKY shared his view on the SIMPLE attitude towards individual faith and religion must be based on sense of proportion and common-sense....a clear Warning against overt pushing of ideologies around "god is the creator and is the fod of all.." while ignoring the SIMPLE fact SG is a Secular country.

[WhatDoYouThink!]

Everything is very badly designed, especially the human beings. No engineering skill at all

[Oyk]

To each his own lah - Why make Life anymore complicated than it already is in reality where certain Faith-Fools often lost themselves in complicated stories about Afterlife  ?
Not trying to be disrespectful on X'mas Day, but I am glad LKY shared his view on the SIMPLE attitude towards individual faith and religion must be based on sense of proportion and common-sense....a clear Warning against overt pushing of ideologies around "god is the creator and is the fod of all.." while ignoring the SIMPLE fact SG is a Secular country.

Indeed it's to each his own. We are all going to have to face God on Judgement Day which is why I reject comments posted in edmw about KARMA directed at Lky.

Lky had shown that he too had to face Death. He could not conquer it like Christ did.. he is mortal even though you kept quoting him again and again as though he is alive. He is dead.

And his chewren's bitter feud is not KARMA.

It's actually very simpur. Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. How hard is that for you to understand? I am surprised that you found it making life so complicated for you.

And yes, our Parliament is secular. It's a place to organize society, develop policies, deal with various problems. No one is suggesting that Parliament is a church. I hope you are now clear...

[Oyk]

Who is more powerful? Christ or The Devil?

Satan, Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness is not just a little 小鬼仔。

He was an archangel and was given great powers but became conceited and led a big group of angels to rebel against God. That is the Devil and his demons, the angels including Lucifer after they were cast out of heaven.

The angels would not contend with him without calling on the Name of Jesus. As humans, we are not his match but God does not allow him to take over our body and wreak havoc. If you play the occult or tarot cards and various black magic and invite him, good luck.

The Devil and his demons shudder at the mentioning of the Name of our Lord. All knees bow before the feet of Jesus, in heaven and on Earth.

Christ will return to defeat His enemies and cast Satan, the Devil and his demons into the lake of fire.

Satan knows that his time is running out. 

Christ is calling out to everyone to return to the fold. You can either mock and scoff, and sneer at me, or take that first step towards reconciling with God.

[Manthink]

Indeed it's to each his own. We are all going to have to face God on Judgement Day which is why I reject comments posted in edmw about KARMA directed at Lky. Lky had shown that he too had to face Death. He could not conquer it like Christ did.. he is mortal even though you kept quoting him again and again as though he is alive. He is dead. ...

Notice Oyk claims to agree "to each his own" and yet express  his religion-driven Intolerance in a single sentence. 

For better or for worst, he just demo what LKY had warned us about...even after Death.  


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[starbugstk]

Satan, Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness is not just a little 小鬼仔。

He was an archangel and was given great powers but became conceited and led a big group of angels to rebel against God. That is the Devil and his demons, the angels including Lucifer after they were cast out of heaven.

The angels would not contend with him without calling on the Name of Jesus. As humans, we are not his match but God does not allow him to take over our body and wreak havoc. If you play the occult or tarot cards and various black magic and invite him, good luck.

The Devil and his demons shudder at the mentioning of the Name of our Lord. All knees bow before the feet of Jesus, in heaven and on Earth.

Christ will return to defeat His enemies and cast Satan, the Devil and his demons into the lake of fire.

Satan knows that his time is running out. 

Christ is calling out to everyone to return to the fold. You can either mock and scoff, and sneer at me, or take that first step towards reconciling with God.

Knnbccb! Wtf is this? Which story book you plucked them from? Knnbccb why you cannot use your own words to reply?

You saw Christ defeat his enemies and cast Satan, the Devil and his demons into the lake of fire?

Knnbccb, don't read too much fairy tales ok

[Oyk]

Notice Oyk claims to agree "to each his own" and yet express  his religion-driven Intolerance in a single sentence. 

For better or for worst, he just demo what LKY had warned us about...even after Death.  

You quote Lky who is dead while I quote Christ who is alive.

Oh yes, to each his own. 

[Oyk]

Knnbccb! Wtf is this? Which story book you plucked them from? Knnbccb why you cannot use your own words to reply?

You saw Christ defeat his enemies and cast Satan, the Devil and his demons into the lake of fire?

Knnbccb, don't read too much fairy tales ok

Satan wants you to think it's a fairy tale and he should be depicted as a red coloured creature with 2 sharp horns.

He does not want you to think he is real.

[starbugstk]

Satan wants you to think it's a fairy tale and he should be depicted as a red coloured creature with 2 sharp horns.

He does not want you to think he is real.

Knnbccb! All the while I believe SATAN is more powerful than your Jesus. Are you so afraid of SATAN?
I believe you are. First you are a motherfucker and 2nd you fuuck your granddaughter too frequent until SATAN instigated your mother to be jealous. You scare or not? Knnbccb!

[starbugstk]

You quote Lky who is dead while I quote Christ who is alive.

Oh yes, to each his own. 

Christ is alive? Why he is unable to save your mother and granddaughter?

Satan more powerful right?

[starbugstk]

This is how powerful SATAN is

Sombre holiday for Palestinians as Israel bombs Gaza on Christmas


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[KILLjoy]