[pinkpanther]

Ok fine.

Do you cringe at what SimTan wrote? He said the God of the Bible loves everyone when we know the Bible has verses that say God hates this person or that, like God hates Esau (Malachi 1). On top of that, we have been talking about Amalekites and Midianites.

Why do Christians say things like that? You also did exactly that just a moment ago, saying something akin to an oxymoron, like "I'm a vegan but I love lamb ribs."

Just a while ago you were saying that you prayed to Jesus's God...now you said God of the Bible...  so there are not the same God? Why moslems change flip faster than an Indian roti prata man?

Of cos if you love God, God will reciprocate...if you are against God and his works...what will he do?
So I am not in his head to judge what he does...

[Ali Imran]

Just a while ago you were saying that you prayed to Jesus's God...now you said God of the Bible...  so there are not the same God? Why moslems change flip faster than an Indian roti prata man?

I was quoting SimTan when I said "God of the Bible".

I worship the God of Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon him. I will never use "God of the Bible" to refer to God because I don't believe that God authored the Bible. But I believe in Jesus's God, whom I worship.

[Ali Imran]

Of cos if you love God, God will reciprocate...if you are against God and his works...what will he do?
So I am not in his head to judge what he does...

We are not putting God on the stand. We are discussing what SimTan wrote. He said the God of the Bible loves everyone. Is that even true? How is that true?

[pinkpanther]

I was quoting SimTan when I said "God of the Bible".

I worship the God of Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon him. I will never use "God of the Bible" to refer to God because I don't believe that God authored the Bible. But I believe in Jesus's God, whom I worship.

Nah...the bible makes no such claims that the Holy Spirit was indeed Gabriel! One has to be true the other a lie! If there are differences between the Bible and the quran...then we are not worshipping the same God!

But there are Christian muslims around  They prayed to one god....

[Oyk]

Is heaven a physical place? Can you describe with verses from Bible?

We often say "Go to heaven" but my understanding of this is that heaven is not a place where we sit on clouds and play the harp 24/7.

Most certainly, it's also not a place with 72 (censored) waiting for piak piak.

Reconciliation with God is heavenly to me. 

The Bible says:

1.  There will be a new heaven and Earth. Heaven in this case is not a place that exists in a different dimension from the new Earth. 

2.  Eyes hath not see, neither hath ears heard, the things that God hath prepared for them that loveth Him. So it's beyond my ability to describe heaven to you though the kingdom of God will be a heavenly life.

[Ali Imran]

Nah...the bible makes no such claims that the Holy Spirit was indeed Gabriel! One has to be true the other a lie! If there are differences between the Bible and the quran...then we are not worshipping the same God!

But there are Christian muslims around  They prayed to one god....

Is Gabriel a holy spirit? Your answer must be yes. Yet you want to find fault in the Quran for stating Gabriel is a holy spirit.

[Oyk]

For us, salvation is with Jesus's God and we pray only to Jesus's God. 

Jesus also taught his people to pray to his God only, as found in the Lord's Prayer.

And you don't even say the Lord's Prayer.

Instead you recite the Quran because Muh told you to do that.

That would be like me memorising the lyrics of a Tagalog song and reciting it while I don't understand the language at all.

[cheekopekman]

And you don't even say the Lord's Prayer.

Instead you recite the Quran because Muh told you to do that.

That would be like me memorising the lyrics of a Tagalog song and reciting it while I don't understand the language at all.

Only Christians will say the Lord's Prayer lah!  The whole congregation must stand up to say it lah!

[Oyk]

Only Christians will say the Lord's Prayer lah!  The whole congregation must stand up to say it lah!

Abdul does not like to recite the prayer which Prophet Jesus pbuh taught?

Don't tell me the Jesus pbuh of the Quran isn't the same Jesus of the Bible... 

[pinkpanther]

Is Gabriel a holy spirit? Your answer must be yes. Yet you want to find fault in the Quran for stating Gabriel is a holy spirit.

Accordingly to the Bible.. Gabriel is specifically an angel of the Lord....in the Quran he is the Holy Spirit! We have to agree on this before we can say that we are praying to the same God tiok boh!

[pinkpanther]

And you don't even say the Lord's Prayer.

Instead you recite the Quran because Muh told you to do that.

That would be like me memorising the lyrics of a Tagalog song and reciting it while I don't understand the language at all.

When Allah is frequently mentioned together with Muh....you cannot picture Allah alone in your imagination....you need to put Muh besides him for it to be complete!

[Ali Imran]

Accordingly to the Bible.. Gabriel is specifically an angel of the Lord....in the Quran he is the Holy Spirit! We have to agree on something before we can say that we are praying to the same God tiok boh!

I never said we are praying to the same God.

Anyhoo, is Gabriel a spirit? Yes. Is Gabriel holy? Yes. 

Are we cool?

[Ali Imran]

When Allah is frequently mentioned together with Muh....you cannot picture Allah alone in your imagination....you need to put Muh besides him for it to be complete!

You need to do that. We don't.

[pinkpanther]

I never said we are praying to the same God.

Anyhoo, is Gabriel a spirit? Yes. Is Gabriel holy? Yes. 

Are we cool?

If you are cool...I am cool!

 funny to see you use the word cool from the teenage vocabulary!

[Ali Imran]

If you are cool...I am cool!

 funny to see you use the word cool from the teenage vocabulary!

I am from the Grease age, 1978. Cool was already in our lingo.

[pinkpanther]

I am from the Grease age, 1978. Cool was already in our lingo.

What kind of a Malay are you? Most Malays don't even know John Travolta let alone the movie...  if you talk abt P. Ramlee movies..they can talk till the end of times 

[Ali Imran]

What kind of a Malay are you? Most Malays don't even know John Travolta let alone the movie...  if you talk abt P. Ramlee movies..they can talk till the end of times 

I'm a Malay, period. Dunno what kind. The typical no-worries kind maybe.

[pinkpanther]

I'm a Malay, period. Dunno what kind. The typical no-worries kind maybe.

Any malay Muslims in your mosque that likes to go on a debate with a Christian or is it only you?

[Ali Imran]

Any malay Muslims in your mosque that likes to go on a debate with a Christian or is it only you?

I've not met a Muslim like me in real life, only forums. There were a few like me at EDMW while I was there. 

Why do Christians like SimTan make statements like that? It is clearly a false statement so why would he say it like it's true? Is he delusional or is he trying to deceive people into believing in his faith?

[pinkpanther]

I've not met a Muslim like me in real life, only forums. There were a few like me at EDMW while I was there. 

Why do Christians like SimTan make statements like that? It is clearly a false statement so why would he say it like it's true? Is he delusional or is he trying to deceive people into believing in his faith?

He didn't say anything nasty abt Moslems or Islam....he brought up the 4 religions and the differences....why are you interpreting it wrongly again?

[Oyk]

I never said we are praying to the same God.

Anyhoo, is Gabriel a spirit? Yes. Is Gabriel holy? Yes. 

Are we cool?

To become a Moslem, I must say the Shahada. This means that it's not good enough to say that there's no God but Allah. I must also say that Muh is a prophet of Allah. 

Since the God of the Bible does not have a prophet by the name of Muh, He's not Allah. 

Yes, your first STATEMENT above is so correct.

[pinkpanther]

I've not met a Muslim like me in real life, only forums. There were a few like me at EDMW while I was there. 

Why do Christians like SimTan make statements like that? It is clearly a false statement so why would he say it like it's true? Is he delusional or is he trying to deceive people into believing in his faith?

I think if most moslems are like you....there probably won't be any left in heaven
What does Allah says if you poke your nose into others affairs.

Everyone's God-given human dignity must be respected, regardless of his or her faith, race, ethnic origin, gender, or social status (ref. Qur'an, 17:70). Because everyone is created by God Almighty, the Maker of all, humans must treat one another with full honor, respect, and loving-kindness.

[Ali Imran]

He didn't say anything nasty abt Moslems or Islam....he brought up the 4 religions and the differences....why are you interpreting it wrongly again?

Yes, he is not nasty. He didn't say nasty things. But he said that and I want to know the psyche behind it. Why does he say it when it is not true?

[Ali Imran]

I think if most moslems are like you....there probably won't be any left in heaven
What does Allah says if you poke your nose into others affairs.

Everyone's God-given human dignity must be respected, regardless of his or her faith, race, ethnic origin, gender, or social status (ref. Qur'an, 17:70). Because everyone is created by God Almighty, the Maker of all, humans must treat one another with full honor, respect, and loving-kindness.

Was Jesus poking his nose into the affairs of the Pharisees? Or did he have your woke ideas?

[cheekopekman]

Was Jesus poking his nose into the affairs of the Pharisees? Or did he have your woke ideas?

Jesus came to correct the Pharisees for wrong teaching of the Law but they wanted to kill Him lah! If someone is teaching the Quran wrongly you will also correct them, right?

[Lukongsimi]

this pachik everyday shit same eat same n spew same.
Dare to challenge God ur head no brain huh

[pinkpanther]

Was Jesus poking his nose into the affairs of the Pharisees? Or did he have your woke ideas?

But you are no Jesus...  pls do not compare yourself to him!
Cheekopekman gave you a clear explanation...

You should question your quran and hadiths before questioning others...
A good eg is the death toll of Banu Qurayza

[cheekopekman]

But you are no Jesus...  pls do not compare yourself to him!
Cheekopekman gave you a clear explanation...

You should question your quran and hadiths before questioning others...
A good eg is the death toll of Banu Qurayza

Jesus said the Pharisees loved to stand in a street corner and pray loudly for all to hear but Jesus said go into your room and close the door lah!  They were not happy with them lah!

[pinkpanther]

Jesus said the Pharisees loved to stand in a street corner and pray loudly for all to hear but Jesus said go into your room and close the door lah!  They were not happy with them lah!

So is Ah Lee telling us to close our doors?  but he is not Jesus wor!

[Ali Imran]

Jesus came to correct the Pharisees for wrong teaching of the Law but they wanted to kill Him lah! If someone is teaching the Quran wrongly you will also correct them, right?

Actually, the Pharisees were giving out the right teachings of the Law. That is why Jesus said to listen to their teachings. You don't know that?