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(18-10-2024, 06:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: "Resurrecting the caliphate" refers to the idea of reviving or restoring a caliphate, which is a form of Islamic government led by a caliph, who is considered a religious and political leader. Historically, caliphates were established after the death of the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century and lasted in various forms until the early 20th century.
The term often comes up in discussions about political movements that seek to establish a state governed by Islamic law (Sharia) and emphasize a unified Muslim community (Ummah) under a single leader. Groups like ISIS, for example, have used the concept of the caliphate to justify their actions and rally support, claiming to establish a new caliphate in parts of Iraq and Syria.
Resurrecting the caliphate can evoke strong emotions and differing opinions. For some, it symbolizes a return to a historical ideal of Islamic governance, while for others, it raises concerns about extremism, sectarianism, and the implications for global security and human rights.
Not stated in the Qooran
So this is another man made and not god- made decision, lor
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
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(18-10-2024, 07:50 PM)Ola Wrote: Not stated in the Qooran
So this is another man made and not god- made decision, lor
The Ottoman Caliphate's fall: A story which lives on in Islamic memories
The desire to unite all Muslims under a single power eventually proved illusory, and in March 1924 the Turkish Parliament voted to abolish the caliphate. Certain Islamist movements continue to call for its restoration.
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Officially the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic Caliphate ruled by a Sultan, Mehmed V, although it also contained Christians, Jews and other religious minorities. For nearly all of the empire's 600-year existence these non-Muslim subjects endured systematic discrimination and, at times, outright persecution.
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The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
Some examples follow:
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opini...985431007/
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(18-10-2024, 10:10 PM)Ernesto Wrote: The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence. Some examples follow: Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
This is exactly how some Muslims become self-radicalised after reading their religious texts online and the reason why most moderate Muslims do not condemn extremists of the same faith.
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One day it's gonna happen.
Hopefully we are no longer around.
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(19-10-2024, 09:23 AM)Alice Alicia Wrote: One day it's gonna happen. Hopefully we are no longer around.
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Very hard lah. Even Iran which ppl is forced to islam, not all are fully convinced & now even more reverting back to other religions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpDHJBJevk
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(19-10-2024, 09:53 AM)exhwz23 Wrote: Very hard lah. Even Iran which ppl is forced to islam, not all are fully convinced & now even more reverting back to other religions.
Iran has experienced a significant growth in Christianity, particularly among younger generations. This growth is often attributed to factors such as disillusionment with the political and religious establishment, a desire for spiritual connection and exposure to Western media and culture. It is important to note that Christianity is not officially recognised in Iran, and converts often face persecution, discrimination and death. Despite these challenges, the Christian community in Iran continues to grow and thrive. The Iranian people are not blind, and know that their Islamic Govt is leading them astray.
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(19-10-2024, 10:19 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Iran has experienced a significant growth in Christianity, particularly among younger generations. This growth is often attributed to factors such as disillusionment with the political and religious establishment, a desire for spiritual connection and exposure to Western media and culture. It is important to note that Christianity is not officially recognised in Iran, and converts often face persecution, discrimination and death. Despite these challenges, the Christian community in Iran continues to grow and thrive. The Iranian people are not blind, and know that their Islamic Govt is leading them astray.
Majority still succumb to the rule of barbarian dictatorship . Most afraid to die.....
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(18-10-2024, 06:16 PM)luncheonmeat Wrote: Wahliao. Everybody goes about minding their own biz living their own lives, dis self-radicalised JLB wants to stab innocent public for what???
Every few months got similar case. Why lidat???
People can create such cases to divert the attention of people from other political and cost of living issues.
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(18-10-2024, 04:15 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I agreed..the contents should be revised to appear softer
Quran cannot be changed.people are using Islam and Muslim as bogeymen
to divert attention.Will you agree to change this from Bible?
Ezekiel 16:25
New International Version
25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by.
26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.
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They can block Sammy boy but cannot block these website?
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(18-10-2024, 10:10 PM)Ernesto Wrote: The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
Some examples follow:
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opini...985431007/
Both verses what you have quoted are related to wars 1400 years ago.you should read the entire chapter to understand the meaning.
I have pasted here the complete verse from my Quran .
We will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers for associating ˹false gods˺ with Allah—a practice He has never authorized. The Fire will be their home—what an evil place for the wrongdoers to stay!Quran 3:151
Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.Quran 2:191
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(18-10-2024, 10:10 PM)Ernesto Wrote: The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
Some examples follow:
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opini...985431007/
I believe one certain moslem individual might challenge you for spreading misinformation, as the verses are loosely translated. Let's see if he holds to double standards if he comes across this....
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(19-10-2024, 11:40 PM)Hope Wrote: Quran cannot be changed.people are using Islam and Muslim as bogeymen
to divert attention.Will you agree to change this from Bible?
Ezekiel 16:25
New International Version
25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by.
26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.
Long time no hear from you my friend...how are you
The Quran has been tempered! It is corrupted!
Evidence:
Allah says that forgotten verses are replaced:https://quranx.com/2.106
Umar says the verse of stoning is missing:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1691a
The sahaba claim that they are 2 missing surahs:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1050
Allah says that the verse of breastfeeding is missing from the Quran:
https://sunnah.com/muslim/17/30
An important distinction of ramadan was missing from tbe first version, so Allah revealed it again but this time adding the word "of dawn":
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:1917
The sahaba saying that they had forgotten a surah as long as the surah al tawbah
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1050
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Extremist Imam Nalla Mohamed Abdul Jameel escaped punishment when he claimed it was a mere "indiscretion" that “could have caused serious repercussions on the interfaith harmony” in S'pore. A police report was lodged against the imam who quoted a verse from the Quran along the lines of “God grant us victory over Jews and Christians”, among other things. His comments were captured in a video and shared online.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/im...christians
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(20-10-2024, 10:41 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Extremist Imam Nalla Mohamed Abdul Jameel escaped punishment when he claimed it was a mere "indiscretion" that “could have caused serious repercussions on the interfaith harmony” in S'pore. A police report was lodged against the imam who quoted a verse from the Quran along the lines of “God grant us victory over Jews and Christians”, among other things. His comments were captured in a video and shared online.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/im...christians
The Quran must undergo a revision, as ongoing misinterpretations by its adherents can lead to the loss of innocent lives globally, inciting hatred and violence towards non-believers. This situation seems to have no end in sight!
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(20-10-2024, 10:56 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Quran must undergo a revision, as ongoing misinterpretations by its adherents can lead to the loss of innocent lives globally, inciting hatred and violence towards non-believers. This situation seems to have no end in sight!
Cyber terrorism is even more insidious
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/c...ive-tweets
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I don't understand why only people of this religion want to attack others?
Before: At your service; After: Serves you right!
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(20-10-2024, 11:03 AM)Fit Wrote: I don't understand why only people of this religion want to attack others?
The extremists have interpreted their holy writings in that way while the moderates choose to keep silent because of their shared religion with the terrorists.
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(20-10-2024, 11:03 AM)Fit Wrote: I don't understand why only people of this religion want to attack others?
Islam and Muslim are used as bogeymen to divert attention from politics and other matters
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(20-10-2024, 10:56 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Quran must undergo a revision, as ongoing misinterpretations by its adherents can lead to the loss of innocent lives globally, inciting hatred and violence towards non-believers. This situation seems to have no end in sight!
Unlike others holy books,Quran will never undergo ago any revision even if UN passed any resolution.
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(20-10-2024, 03:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Long time no hear from you my friend...how are you 
The Quran has been tempered! It is corrupted! 
Evidence:
Allah says that forgotten verses are replaced:https://quranx.com/2.106
Umar says the verse of stoning is missing: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1691a
The sahaba claim that they are 2 missing surahs: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1050
Allah says that the verse of breastfeeding is missing from the Quran: https://sunnah.com/muslim/17/30
An important distinction of ramadan was missing from tbe first version, so Allah revealed it again but this time adding the word "of dawn": https://sunnah.com/bukhari:1917
The sahaba saying that they had forgotten a surah as long as the surah al tawbah https://sunnah.com/muslim:1050
Why no comment on those two Ezekiel verses?
25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by.
26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.
I am adding one more verse,Ezekiel 23
23 The word of the Lord came to me:2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
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(20-10-2024, 12:11 PM)Hope Wrote: Unlike others holy books,Quran will never undergo ago any revision even if UN passed any resolution.
So you are alright if a moslem misinterpreted the Quran and go around and kill people?
Soften the text and no people will need to die unnecessarily!
Did Allah command the REVISED UTHMAN EDITED VERSION of the Quran?
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(20-10-2024, 12:16 PM)Hope Wrote: Why no comment on those two Ezekiel verses?
25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by.
26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.
I am adding one more verse,Ezekiel 23
23 The word of the Lord came to me:2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 16:25 (NIV) reads: "At the head of every street you built your lofty shrines and made your beauty abominable; you offered your body with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by."
This verse is part of a larger passage in Ezekiel where God uses the metaphor of an unfaithful wife to illustrate Israel's spiritual unfaithfulness and idolatry. The imagery is powerful and expresses the depth of Israel's betrayal and the consequences of turning away from God.
Hope, you went missing for so long, I thought you went to do Mu'tah...
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(20-10-2024, 12:11 PM)Hope Wrote: Unlike others holy books,Quran will never undergo ago any revision even if UN passed any resolution.
https://youtube.com/shorts/aVZT6_41OcE?s...JVWNm8VGhe