[grotesqueness]

....But one thorny conundrum remains: why must I suffer for what Adam did? We'll go into that later.

you see
God knows everything
the bad question is why must i suffer for what Adam and eve did
that is the bad question

the good question is
if you are adam and eve 
would you have not ate the apple
would you have done it differencely

the answer from God who knows everything is no
you would not has done it differently from Adam or eve

you ate the apple too

another thing is that those who made it into heaven are God special creation that God has never made it before

that why you and everyone got to eat the apple

[Ali Imran]

I get your drift. The Bible has the answers to many theological conundrums, such as our purpose on earth and 'why is there so much evil and suffering in the world.' But one thorny conundrum remains: why must I suffer for what Adam did? We'll go into that later.

In the beginning, God gave the First Couple freedom to enjoy the fruit of all the trees in the garden except one. Satan drew Eve's attention away from God's bountiful gifts and made her focus on God's single prohibition. The serpent claimed "God is trying to keep you from enjoying the one experience that would really make you happy. He doesn't want you to eat from the forbidden tree because He's afraid you'll become like Him."

Most unfortunately, Eve took the bait and the rest, as they say, is history. Just one little bite of forbidden fruit.. what's the big deal? one might ask. Everyone makes mistakes after all. This mistake, however, resulted in seismic consequences for the entire human race. It only takes a little sin to contaminate an entire life as Paul elaborates in Rom 5:12: "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."

Adam's defiance of the Creator's clear command is described by Paul as the entry point of the sin virus that spread to the entire race. Because we're all descendants of the First Couple, we've all been infected with the destructive sin virus that separates us from God. You could in a sense say we all "ate the apple."

Adam and Eve were commanded by God to procreate and fill the earth with their offspring. Had they never sinned, perhaps the world today would be
populated with a race of sinless people living in perfect harmony. But Adam and Eve's sin in the garden marred God's beautiful plan. Lest we be too
hard on them, however, had any of us been in the garden instead of them, we probably would have done the same thing. Adam and Eve enjoyed ideal
conditions and perfect light and still sinned. We could have done no better.

It sounds to me like you are blaming the woman.

Why?

[pinkpanther]

Surah 61:14

O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah , as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, "Who are my supporters for Allah ?" The disciples said, "We are supporters of Allah ." And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant.

Surah 3:55

Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

According to Allah..those who believe in Jesus will remain dominant till the end of days..
My Moslem brothers...what are you waiting for?

[Lukongsimi]

I love you Lord because your mercies never fails me
All of my days I have Been held in your hands
From the moment that I wake up until lay my head I
will sing the goodness of God
All my life you are faithful
All my life you are so so good
With every breathe that I am able oh I will sing the goodness of God

[Lukongsimi]

you see
God knows everything
the bad question is why must i suffer for what Adam and eve did
that is the bad question

the good question is
if you are adam and eve 
would you have not ate the apple
would you have done it differencely

the answer from God who knows everything is no
you would not has done it differently from Adam or eve

you ate the apple too

another thing is that those who made it into heaven are God special creation that God has never made it before

that why you and everyone got to eat the apple

We are just dust and need to rely on God and obey Him 
Because He is our Father 
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
I told my dog don’t anyhow eat food drops on floor  will get sick 
I know he will eat because he is stubborn
I still loves him so I save him back to health

[grotesqueness]

We are just dust and need to rely on God and obey Him 
Because He is our Father 
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
I told my dog don’t anyhow eat food drops on floor  will get sick 
I know he will eat because he is stubborn
I still loves him so I save him back to health

we exist is not because of the beginning we disobey
of course we exist is because of His grace and His mercy and His love for us

but the most important thing  for the one who knows EVERYTHING

it is how we control our ending by His grace and by His mercy He allowed us to chose

our existent is not about the beginning that  we disobey and are forgiven
our existent is also about our ending known to Him and by our choosing He give to us


that is something in-depth other religion do not talk about or have any knowledge about
that make our existent more alive and more meaningful endless in time

[pinkpanther]

[Ali Imran]

We are just dust and need to rely on God and obey Him 
Because He is our Father 
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
I told my dog don’t anyhow eat food drops on floor  will get sick 
I know he will eat because he is stubborn
I still loves him so I save him back to health

I've yet to meet a Christian who admits the fear of the Lord.

Tell me. How do you fear the Lord?

[Lukongsimi]

I've yet to meet a Christian who admits the fear of the Lord.

Tell me. How do you fear the Lord?

Again talk about Paul?

[Ali Imran]

Again talk about Paul?

Do tell.

Why and how do you fear the Lord?

[Lukongsimi]

Do tell.

Why and how do you fear the Lord?

Because can cast  you into hell
Don’t follow the wolf who will mislead us

[cheekopekman]

Because can cast  you into hell
Don’t follow the wolf who will mislead us

Jesus said, "Fear God who can destroy you in hell" lah!

[pinkpanther]

Jesus said, "Fear God who can destroy you in hell" lah!

1 John 4 17-19

17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

19 We love Him because He first loved us.

God loves you! Should you be afraid of Him? 

[Lukongsimi]

[cheekopekman]

1 John 4 17-19

17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

19 We love Him because He first loved us.

God loves you! Should you be afraid of Him? 

Fear God is different from afraid of Him lah!  Don't anyhow interpret lah!

[pinkpanther]

Fear God is different from afraid of Him lah!  Don't anyhow interpret lah!

How do you interpret leh

[Ali Imran]

Fearing God is the beginning of wisdom. That is in the Jewish scriptures, the book of Proverbs.

Fast forward many centuries and the author of John began teaching people NOT to fear God.

[pinkpanther]

Allah has ninety-nine names, i.e. one-hundred minus one, and whoever knows them will go to Paradise." Sahih al-Bukhari (6410) in Sahih al-Bukhari, in the Book of Supplications, under the Chapter Allah has 100 Names Except 1. In this hadith, Allah SWT tells and teaches us His slaves of His honoured names.

Eerh Hope....you can stop memorising the Quran...here is another easier way for you to enter Jannah...No need to thanks me..

Looks like the criteria to getting Jannah is getting easier as the days goes by....No fear Abdool!

[Lukongsimi]

Hebrew 10/31
It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God

[cheekopekman]

How do you interpret leh

"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:5 NIV) Fear God lah!

[pinkpanther]

Remember this 99 names and my moslem brothers will get to heaven lah!



https://www.answering-islam.org/Who/99names.html

[Ali Imran]

Hebrew 10/31
It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God

Your friend quoted a verse from the Epistle of John which states that if you fear God, you don't love God enough.

Which one are you following?

[Lukongsimi]

Your friend quoted a verse from the Epistle of John which states that if you fear God, you don't love God enough.

Which one are you following?

Do you fear and love God ?
Or you don’t fear because you Love God?
Or u don’t love God but fear Him?

[pinkpanther]

Observe how Abdool seeks to highlight differences in opinions and attempts to create discord. ... Everyone's perception of God varies.... Some people view God as a friend, while others approach their faith with a sense of fear, worried that their actions might displease Him....

[cheekopekman]

1 John 4 17-19

17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

19 We love Him because He first loved us.

God loves you! Should you be afraid of Him? 

"Love" is the main focus in these verses lah!  The "fear" here refers to "the day of judgment" "because fear involves torment" lah! If you love God you don't have to fear the Judgment Day torment lah! But God wants you to fear Him so that you won't be destroyed in hell lah!

[Lukongsimi]

"Love" is the main focus in these verses lah!  The "fear" here refers to "the day of judgment" "because fear involves torment" lah! If you love God you don't have to fear the Judgment Day torment lah! But God wants you to fear Him so that you won't be destroyed in hell lah!

Tell us how to love God?

[pinkpanther]

I could have easily agreed with what everyone else was saying, but I chose to express a different opinion to highlight the discord you will create.....note that i Will for you to create the differences...  

If you recall, we discussed the fear of God earlier, and I offered a different perspective on that as well.

[Ali Imran]

Do you fear and love God ?
Or you don’t fear because you Love God?
Or u don’t love God but fear Him?

I have no words to express my feelings about Allah and I look forward to meeting him with eagerness.  But I have no idea what Allah thinks of me so yes, I fear Allah.

I have no other fear in this world except Allah.

[Ali Imran]

Tell us how to love God?

Do you have any feelings for the Holy Spirit? If I can guess, you don't. You don't even know his name. And between the Father and the Son, which one you love more? 

And when you fear God, which one? Do you fear the Son? I'm sure you don't because in your mind, he is a loving person. 

If you're honest with yourself, you will see a problem. You have different feelings for each personality of the Trinity. And yet, you are to love them with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. How?

[pinkpanther]

You fear Allah?   you should feel both his fear and love! You do not understand your God! He doesn't want you to be just fearful 

Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم) has said that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) said in a hadith qudsi, “If you come to Me walking, I will come to you running.” This is the compassion of The Most Merciful towards his believers, so never lose hope in Allah (سبحانه وتعالى)