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(31-08-2024, 12:49 AM)Hope Wrote:  Namaz  is not the correct word for Salah/Solat even though it is used by Muslim in South Asia.
Allah gave 50 times prayer to demonstrate how much we humanity owe him.
We owe him so much that 50 times prayer was considered fair obligation and even that would do nothing to repay Allah’s favour.


Quran 16:18”If you tried to count Allah’s blessings, you would never be able to number them. Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Moses became a prophet Before prophet Muhammad.He knew how difficult it was making Jews to adhere to commandments. Based on his experience with his followers, it is fair him to advise Prophet Muhammad to get 5 times prayers.

You know what is contradicting? Allah wants you to pray 50 times a day initially ...then amazingly He reduced it but still gave those 5 prayers the rewards for the initial 50.... Thinking

Can roti prata so fast? Thinking
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(31-08-2024, 02:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You know what is contradicting? Allah wants you to pray 50 times a day initially ...then amazingly He reduced it but still gave those 5 prayers the rewards for the initial 50.... Thinking

Can roti prata so fast? Thinking


Allah commanded Prophet to instruct Muslims to pray 50 times a day. The prophet didn’t question it.

But on his way back, Moses 
told Prophet Muhammad to go back and request that the number be decreased, that the burden is too high, that he’d experienced human nature with the Children of Israel, and 50 is just too much, and it isn’t going to work.

The prophet went back and the number was lowered to 45. Moses again told him to return and request that the number be decreased.

The number was again lowered, but not by much, to 40.
Moses continued to send him back until the daily prayer was lowered from 50 to five.

At that point, Moses still wanted to send him back, but prophet Muhammad told him he was too embarrassed to go again, and the number remained at five.

Praying is a Muslim’s direct link to God,to thank him and ask for his strength.

Five times prayer is like food for the soul. ( like eating small meals several times a day is a good way to stay healthy and keep your metabolism going.)
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(31-08-2024, 09:12 AM)Hope Wrote:  Allah commanded Prophet to instruct Muslims to pray 50 times a day. The prophet didn’t question it.

But on his way back, Moses 
told Prophet Muhammad to go back and request that the number be decreased, that the burden is too high, that he’d experienced human nature with the Children of Israel, and 50 is just too much, and it isn’t going to work.

The prophet went back and the number was lowered to 45. Moses again told him to return and request that the number be decreased.

The number was again lowered, but not by much, to 40.
Moses continued to send him back until the daily prayer was lowered from 50 to five.

At that point, Moses still wanted to send him back, but prophet Muhammad told him he was too embarrassed to go again, and the number remained at five.

Praying is a Muslim’s direct link to God,to thank him and ask for his strength.

Five times prayer is like food for the soul. ( like eating small meals several times a day is a good way to stay healthy and keep your metabolism going.)

You should be grateful to Moses for his wisdom! Without him, who knows how you would manage with 50 prayers a day. 

However, it’s interesting to observe how fickled and indecisive Allah seems....it appears He struggles to make a definitive choice and ultimately concedes to Muhammad's request.... Big Grin
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(30-08-2024, 10:54 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Cheekopekman.

Do you believe faith is a gift from God? Yes you must because the Bible will tell you that.

So use your logical sense. Imagine God giving you the faith that you must do something. Are you already right? Or you must first do that something before you can be right?

Salvation is found in no one else except the name of Jesus lah! Big Grin I shall not go any further into meaningless debates and arguments lah! If you don't believe and accept so be it lah! By the way, we cannot use human logics to understand the Word of God lah!
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(31-08-2024, 09:37 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Salvation is found in no one else except the name of Jesus lah! Big Grin I shall not go any further into meaningless debates and arguments lah! If you don't believe and accept so be it lah! By the way, we cannot use human logics to understand the Word of God lah!

Now then u know he only wants to mock Christians
Lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(31-08-2024, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You should be grateful to Moses for his wisdom! Without him, who knows how you would manage with 50 prayers a day. 

However, it’s interesting to observe how fickled and indecisive Allah seems....it appears He struggles to make a definitive choice and ultimately concedes to Muhammad's request.... Big Grin

Are you an atheist? Agnostic? Polytheist?
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(31-08-2024, 11:15 AM)Hope Wrote:  Are you an atheist? Agnostic? Polytheist?

The First and the Last is whom you and I turn to in prayer!  Big Grin
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(31-08-2024, 01:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The First and the Last is whom you and I turn to in prayer!  Big Grin

Mindful of Allah(God).Don’t writing anything anyhow.
Allah knows best what is hidden in the heart.
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(31-08-2024, 10:12 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Now then u know he only wants to mock Christians
Lol

When people want to know we must let them know lah! Big Grin That's what the Bible says lah! Up to them to believe and accept or not lah!
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(31-08-2024, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You should be grateful to Moses for his wisdom! Without him, who knows how you would manage with 50 prayers a day. 

However, it’s interesting to observe how fickled and indecisive Allah seems....it appears He struggles to make a definitive choice and ultimately concedes to Muhammad's request.... Big Grin



As per Quran ,Allah created humans, Jinn,Angels and all other creatures to worship him only.

Quran 51:56”I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me.”

Prayer keeps us from doing sins. If we pray 50 times, we have no time to sin.

Quran 29:45”Recite what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, 
˹genuine˺ prayer should deter ˹one˺ from indecency and wickedness. The remembrance of Allah is ˹an˺ even greater ˹deterrent˺. And Allah ˹fully˺ knows what you ˹all˺ do.”
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(31-08-2024, 04:54 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  When people want to know we must let them know lah! Big Grin That's what the Bible says lah! Up to them to believe and accept or not lah!

Tio lah but he claimed he knows better so it’s like wasting time talking to a wood.😊

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(31-08-2024, 05:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Tio lah but he claimed he knows better so it’s like wasting time talking to a wood.😊

He actually knows more than me lah! Big Grin I still need to check the Bible for proof lah!
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(31-08-2024, 05:05 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  He actually knows more than me lah! Big Grin I still need to check the Bible for proof lah!

Tio lah cannot anyhow  add or subtract words from the bible.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(31-08-2024, 10:12 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Now then u know he only wants to mock Christians
Lol

He doesn’t mock you. Instead he tries to educate you to believe in oneness of God and his commandments.
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(31-08-2024, 05:05 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  He actually knows more than me lah! Big Grin I still need to check the Bible for proof lah!

True. Listen to him.

He is following oneness of God while you follow trinity.

Have you ever thought and questioned how God can have biological mother, uncles, Grandparents?
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(31-08-2024, 05:01 PM)Hope Wrote:  As per Quran ,Allah created humans, Jinn,Angels and all other creatures to worship him only.

Quran 51:56”I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me.”

Prayer keeps us from doing sins. If we pray 50 times, we have no time to sin.

Quran 29:45”Recite what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, 
˹genuine˺ prayer should deter ˹one˺ from indecency and wickedness. The remembrance of Allah is ˹an˺ even greater ˹deterrent˺. And Allah ˹fully˺ knows what you ˹all˺ do.”

Most likely you will die after praying 50 times a day!! If you manage to survive...continue to do that for the rest of your life! Big Grin

Why did Allah become so hard on you Moslems?
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(31-08-2024, 05:12 PM)Hope Wrote:  He doesn’t mock you. Instead he tries to educate you to believe in oneness of God and his commandments.

Teachings by man is dangerous as he himself also not sure which is the correct path.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(31-08-2024, 05:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  True. Listen to him.

He is following oneness of God while you follow trinity.

Have you ever thought and questioned how God can have biological mother, uncles, Grandparents?

Your Quran did not teach you to follow oneness! Show me where Tawhid is mentioned in the Quran? Big Grin
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(31-08-2024, 05:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  True. Listen to him.

He is following oneness of God while you follow trinity.

Have you ever thought and questioned how God can have biological mother, uncles, Grandparents?

You believe in him? He is full of nonsenses!
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(31-08-2024, 05:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  True. Listen to him.

He is following oneness of God while you follow trinity.

Have you ever thought and questioned how God can have biological mother, uncles, Grandparents?

There's no biological mother or uncle or grandparents with regards to God lah! Big Grin God is Spirit not human lah!
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(31-08-2024, 05:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Most likely you will die after praying 50 times a day!! If you manage to survive...continue to do that for the rest of your life! Big Grin

Why did Allah become so hard on you Moslems?

Allah is not only for Muslim. Allah is God for humans and all other creations.
Allah is an Arabic word for God who created this universe.

We don’t have details of 50 times prayer if it was same as what we are doing now.
We don’t know it involves physical like what we are doing now.

May be it is like your prayers ?
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(31-08-2024, 05:30 PM)Hope Wrote:  Allah is not only for Muslim. Allah is God for humans and all other creations.
Allah is an Arabic word for God who created this universe.

We don’t have details of 50 times prayer if it was same as what we are doing now.
We don’t know it involves physical like what we are doing now.

May be it is like your prayers ?

Allah says if you pray properly for 5 times ...it is as good as praying 50 times!
So He is referring to proper prayers!
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(31-08-2024, 05:12 PM)Hope Wrote:  He doesn’t mock you. Instead he tries to educate you to believe in oneness of God and his commandments.

First he has no credentials and neither is he an Imam! Second he doesn't educate us on the Quran at all....Third he often misinterpret the biblical verses! Whoever follows him will end up in jahannam!
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(31-08-2024, 01:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The First and the Last is whom you and I turn to in prayer!  Big Grin

He is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, and His name is Jesus lah! Big Grin
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(31-08-2024, 05:46 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  He is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, and His name is Jesus lah! Big Grin

Yes lah  Big Grin
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(31-08-2024, 05:18 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Teachings by man is dangerous as he himself also not sure which is the correct path.

Has He ever told that he is not sure the correct path?
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(31-08-2024, 05:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Your Quran did not teach you to follow oneness! Show me where Tawhid is mentioned in the Quran? Big Grin

https://quran.com/en/al-ikhlas
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(31-08-2024, 06:10 PM)Hope Wrote:  https://quran.com/en/al-ikhlas

No..show me the specific word "Tawhid" in the Quran! It is no where to be found!
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(31-08-2024, 06:10 PM)Hope Wrote:  https://quran.com/en/al-ikhlas

The term "tawhid," which refers to the concept of the oneness of God in Islam, is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. However, the principles embodied in tawhid — the affirmation of the oneness and uniqueness of Allah — are fundamental themes throughout the Quran. Many verses emphasize God's singularity and the rejection of any form of polytheism or association of partners with Him. This concept is central to Islamic theology and is derived from the interpretation of various Quranic verses and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad.

So don complain that The Holy Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible!
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(31-08-2024, 05:22 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You believe in him? He is full of nonsenses!

I have learnt from his comments.I believe he is not writing his own opinions.
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