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(13-09-2024, 04:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Your religion àlso many sects lah...Don pot calling the kettle black!

How many? 45? 450000?
All of them pray to Allah only.
All of them follow one Quran, one prophet, one direction for prayer, same month of fasting, same percentage of charity, same month of Hajj
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(13-09-2024, 04:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I think there may be some confusion here. The Bible does not explicitly state that the animal sacrifice will resume as soon as the temple is reconstructed. In fact, the Bible predicts that animal sacrifices will cease once the Messiah has come and the law of God has been written on the hearts of believers.

In the book of Hebrews, it is written: "Therefore, since we have such a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe. This high priest is greater than the others; he has been made like God and lives forever. He does not need to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as the high priest does each year with the blood of an animal. For this person has offered one sacrifice for sins, forever, and sat down at the right hand of God" (Hebrews 7:25-27).

In the book of Jeremiah, it is written: "The time is coming when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to me. The people said, 'We will remember the covenant the Lord our God made with us. But he is a liar! The Ark of the Lord's covenant was with them in the temple of God in Shiloh." (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

The New Testament also speaks about the end of animal sacrifices, with Jesus Christ being the ultimate sacrifice for sins.

It's possible that you are thinking of a specific interpretation or tradition that holds that animal sacrifices will resume once the temple is reconstructed. However, this interpretation is not supported by scripture and is not universally accepted by all Christian denominations or Jewish traditions.

Quran confirms there were sacrifices during all the prophets , from Adam to Jesus 


“For every community We appointed a rite of sacrifice so that they may pronounce the Name of Allah over the sacrificial animals He has provided for them. For your God is only One God, so submit yourselves to Him ˹alone˺. And give good news ˹O Prophet˺ to the humble:”Quran 22:34
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(13-09-2024, 04:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  How many? 45? 450000?
All of them pray to Allah only.
All of them follow one Quran, one prophet, one direction for prayer, same month of fasting, same percentage of charity, same month of Hajj

We are the same as well..we say the Lord's Prayer and Nicense Creed..no contradictions!
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(13-09-2024, 04:59 PM)Hope Wrote:  Quran confirms there were sacrifices during all the prophets , from Adam to Jesus 


“For every community We appointed a rite of sacrifice so that they may pronounce the Name of Allah over the sacrificial animals He has provided for them. For your God is only One God, so submit yourselves to Him ˹alone˺. And give good news ˹O Prophet˺ to the humble:”Quran 22:34

After Jesus' death..we do not practice sacrifices!!

1400 years ago till now...how many millions of innocent animals need to die in the name of Allah?
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(13-09-2024, 05:04 PM)Hi pinkpanther Wrote:  After Jesus' death..we do not practice sacrifices!!

1400 years ago till now...how many millions of innocent animals need to die in the name of Allah?

We are doing once a year.Not every Muslim is sacrificing animals .
Have you question all the burger companies own by Jews and Christian?
Have you Questioned Christian Brazil, Norway, Denmark, Australia, Canada for slaughtering millions of animals daily for export?

Killing pig in millions is not an issue?
Killing chickens in billions is not an issue?
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(13-09-2024, 05:01 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We are the same as well..we say the Lord's Prayer and Nicense Creed..no contradictions!
😂😂 Did you accept the pope as you head? Did you go to meet him?
Can you pray in a Catholic Church?
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(13-09-2024, 04:51 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Anti christ will be thrown into the hell forever together with his followers
You Christian itself hav divided into 45000 sect. So you see anti christ out side 😂
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(13-09-2024, 04:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK.. even if you don accept that Jesus died for our sins...let it be known to you that we no longer go around killing animals for fun in the name of God!

Are you a vegetarian?
If you eat 1/8 of chicken daily, you eat more than 3000 chicken in your lifetime 😜
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(13-09-2024, 04:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Compassionate actions involve treating all living beings with kindness and respect. Instead of perpetuating harm and suffering, it's essential to prioritize the welfare and well-being of animals, avoiding harmful practices that cause them unnecessary pain and distress.

Why do you need to sacrifice thousands of innocent lambs across the globe just to appease your God? I thought he is all Merciful?  Thinking

Beneficiaries are Christian countries, They make billions of dollars by selling their animals.
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(13-09-2024, 12:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  What type of music u think is ok to
Listen?

I think classical music is OK lah! Big Grin Beethoven type OK? Thinking
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(13-09-2024, 06:23 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  I think classical music is OK lah! Big Grin Beethoven type OK? Thinking
Music that the flesh loves which don’t glorify God
shouldn’t be ok

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(13-09-2024, 05:12 PM)Hope Wrote:  We are doing once a year.Not every Muslim is sacrificing animals .
Have you question all the burger companies own by Jews and Christian?
Have you Questioned Christian Brazil, Norway, Denmark, Australia, Canada for slaughtering millions of animals daily for export?

Killing pig in millions is not an issue?
Killing chickens in billions is not an issue?

Recognize when you're conflating two distinct topics or arguments, and don't assume that one is a direct result or equivalent of the other. This is often referred to as the fallacy of equating two separate issues....
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(13-09-2024, 05:24 PM)Hope Wrote:  Beneficiaries are Christian countries, They make billions of dollars by selling their animals.

You are running away from the main issue!
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(13-09-2024, 05:21 PM)Hope Wrote:  Are you a vegetarian?
If you eat 1/8 of chicken daily, you eat more than 3000 chicken in your lifetime 😜

Off course my friend!
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(13-09-2024, 04:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  How many? 45? 450000?
All of them pray to Allah only.
All of them follow one Quran, one prophet, one direction for prayer, same month of fasting, same percentage of charity, same month of Hajj
Why like that?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(13-09-2024, 08:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  
Why like that?

They believe dying there will go straight to paradise!
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(13-09-2024, 08:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  
Why like that?
What do you mean by why like that?
You mean death?It is Saudi government incompetence .I cannot comment behalf of them.
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(13-09-2024, 07:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Off course my friend!

Why vegans?
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(13-09-2024, 07:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You are running away from the main issue!
Universe belongs to Allah.All the creation are his.He has commanded, we are following his commands.
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(13-09-2024, 06:48 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Music that the flesh loves which don’t glorify God
shouldn’t be ok
It is a Joke. Every one can give fatwa 🙄
No standard.No scholars.🥹
Will have 45000 answers
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(13-09-2024, 10:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Anyhow, the question I was asking is how do we know if we are disobeying God, and not when we disobey God which is the gist of your post there. 

Take usury for example. We believe God forbids usury, even during biblical times. But you don't seems to know that and you partake in usury. Ergo the question. How would you know if you are disobeying God?



I used the word 'guilt' 12 times in my post to explain why I know I'm disobeying God. Somehow my message was lost on you. Maybe your way of knowing if you're disobeying God is different from the Christian way. As someone who is very much given to rule-keeping, you know a violation of God's laws or a lack of obedience when you see one. Failing to keep the rules is therefore your way of knowing you haven't acted in obedience to God.

For us a new birth into a new life isn't supposed to be a downtrodden, miserable existence of struggling to keep religious rules and regulations and feeling guilty when we fail. This isn't to say we shouldn't do good works, but they should be done out of our relationship with God and not as a means of trying to get brownie points from Him to earn our salvation.

For me, being guilt-ridden is a 'red flag' that I may have an unconfessed sin. Sin brings a curse and obedience brings blessing. The constant companion of sinners is guilt. They're unable to escape it. Some may try a variety of ways to ignore it, but deep down inside they know their lives are not right. I make mistakes on occasion just like everybody else, and I often ask God to search my heart for any hidden sins that I may have, which may be destructive to my relationship with God. Believers don't live under guilt and condemnation anymore as Jesus has removed and washed their sins away along with the guilt that accompanies them.

Your compliance with rule-keeping may extend to guarding against usury, aka 'loan-sharking' - supposedly banned by Muslim doctrine, as it is by Christian doctrine. Riba may be prohibited under Sharia law, but the Muslim world has struggled with Riba for quite some time, religiously, morally and legally. Christian perspectives on lending in the modern lending arena have also changed radically over the centuries. Economic pressures eventually allowed for a loosening of religious and legal regulation.
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(13-09-2024, 10:31 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I don't see God's forgiveness in Christianity. The idea of God requiring payment for sin removes any notion of forgiveness. I often say that I find humans more forgiving than the Christian God. I remember being rude to a foreigner when I was a kid at the playground. If I get to see him again, I will sincerely ask for his forgiveness. And if I am him, I will easily forgive me, without asking for payment.

This idea of God requiring payment for sins is not found in Islam, or in any of the biblical prophet's teachings, peace be upon all of them.


You make a 'valid' point. Sometimes we imagine ourselves to be morally superior to God because we are more accepting of sin than He is. Why can't God be more tolerant of people's mistakes as we are? you wonder. The simple reason is that God is not like us. The fact that we are able to tolerate sin in others - and especially in ourselves - is not proof of our godliness but actually evidence of our ungodliness.

God is wholly different from us. God's holiness means that He is separate from everything - incl sin. The God revealed in the OT is above and beyond any contact with evil: "Your eyes are too pure to approve evil. And You cannot look on wickedness with favor" (Hab 1:13). Of all the attributes that create a distance between God and us, it is His zero tolerance for sin of any kind that makes Him wholly different from us. The holiness or separateness of God creates a moral distance between the Creator and us that began in the Garden of Eden and extends into our lives today. You said, however, there's no distance.
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(14-09-2024, 01:33 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I used the word 'guilt' 12 times in my post to explain why I know I'm disobeying God. Somehow my message was lost on you. Maybe your way of knowing if you're disobeying God is different from the Christian way. As someone who is very much given to rule-keeping, you know a violation of God's laws or a lack of obedience when you see one. Failing to keep the rules is therefore your way of knowing you haven't acted in obedience to God.

For us a new birth into a new life isn't supposed to be a downtrodden, miserable existence of struggling to keep religious rules and regulations and feeling guilty when we fail. This isn't to say we shouldn't do good works, but they should be done out of our relationship with God and not as a means of trying to get brownie points from Him to earn our salvation.

For me, being guilt-ridden is a 'red flag' that I may have an unconfessed sin. Sin brings a curse and obedience brings blessing. The constant companion of sinners is guilt. They're unable to escape it. Some may try a variety of ways to ignore it, but deep down inside they know their lives are not right. I make mistakes on occasion just like everybody else, and I often ask God to search my heart for any hidden sins that I may have, which may be destructive to my relationship with God. Believers don't live under guilt and condemnation anymore as Jesus has removed and washed their sins away along with the guilt that accompanies them.

Your compliance with rule-keeping may extend to guarding against usury, aka 'loan-sharking' - supposedly banned by Muslim doctrine, as it is by Christian doctrine. Riba may be prohibited under Sharia law, but the Muslim world has struggled with Riba for quite some time, religiously, morally and legally. Christian perspectives on lending in the modern lending arena have also changed radically over the centuries. Economic pressures eventually allowed for a loosening of religious and legal regulation.

Every born again Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling within us lah! Big Grin Whenever we disobey God or rebel against Him, the Holy Spirit will rebuke us from within lah! He came to convict us of sins lah!
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(14-09-2024, 12:12 AM)Hope Wrote:  Universe belongs to Allah.All the creation are his.He has commanded, we are following his commands.

What are His commands?
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(14-09-2024, 12:12 AM)Hope Wrote:  Universe belongs to Allah.All the creation are his.He has commanded, we are following his commands.

You call Him Allah we call Him LORD lah! Big Grin He is God who created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) lah! And He created you and me lah!
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(14-09-2024, 08:51 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What are His commands?
Many in Quran.
How many commandments in Old Testament and New Testament?
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(14-09-2024, 09:22 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You call Him Allah we call Him LORD lah! Big Grin He is God who created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) lah! And He created you and me lah!

Prophet Muhammad didn’t know English, He used his Arabic word Allah.

Did Jesus use English word Lord?


Allah means in Chinese


https://youtube.com/shorts/5qp-BNrop7o?s...Il81UbXhGB
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(14-09-2024, 09:49 AM)Hope Wrote:  Many in Quran.
How many commandments in Old Testament and New Testament?

You told me that you only follow the teachings of Muhammad pbuh.. see I am very courteous, I don insult him  Big Grin but you find it irrelevant to follow the teachings of the past prophets like Moses...see how ungrateful and disobedient you can get! Big Grin
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(14-09-2024, 09:51 AM)Hope Wrote:  Prophet Muhammad didn’t know English, He used his Arabic word Allah.

Did Jesus use English word Lord?


Allah means in Chinese


https://youtube.com/shorts/5qp-BNrop7o?s...Il81UbXhGB

Why you refuse to use pbuh when you talk abt Muhammad  Big Grin
Of cos Muhammad spoke Arabic therefore Allah is God in his language..
Jesus uses the word Abba to describe the Father....we also use the word Abba ..but many prefer to call Father!
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