[S I M T A N]

Previous discussion threads on religion were either deleted or locked up when the debates turned heated with recriminations flying back and forth. The current discussion isn't exactly beyond the pale just yet and is likely to be deemed "still tolerable," but should the debate rises above a certain threshold, it'll suffer a similar fate as its predecessors.

[S I M T A N]

I understand from your post that you're using your guilty emotion to know if you have been disobedient. That is purely subjective. Is it possible that you may be doing something that displeases God unknowingly ergo you don't feel any guilt?

This discussion will eventually bring us back to Sola Fide because what I'm getting at is the Law. If you don't have the Law, you can do what you like and only your own emotions determine what is wrong or right. And as you know, emotions differ in people.

Emotion is an inapt word; conscience is the mot juste. My guilty conscience will make me ask God to search within me for any hidden or unconfessed sin. That happens when I've a niggling doubt about whether I've erred or displeased God. But for the most part, I live obediently with a clear conscience, taking care not to break any commandments or rules which I'm acquainted with, just as you're with your Islamic laws. Not forgetting the signals within from the Holy Spirit who whispers in the still, small voice and let me know I'm about to make a mistake.

As to your second paragraph, you really think the laws can be obeyed to the letter? So if God's Word so clearly and strongly commands people not to transgress the laws and rules, why don't we just obey God and stop doing what He forbids? For your information, telling people that they're doing wrong does not give them the power to stop doing it.

Paul declared, "If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin" (Gal 3:21,22). The law is powerless to eliminate the problem and give life. Something more is needed.

Even more discouraging is Paul's statement, "The sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies" (Rom 7:5).The law not only can't help us do right, it actually has the capacity to provoke what it is trying to prohibit. Forbidden fruit always appears more desirable. If you don't believe it, tell your child he can go "here" but he can't go "there." Where does he immediately want to go? There! For adults with a roving eye, forbidden fruit is always more attractive!

Laying down the law doesn't remove sinful passions. The core problem is the basic nature of people, not their behaviour. There's no way we can fix humans' sinful nature, but by the grace of God we can be free from it.

[Lukongsimi]

Previous discussion threads on religion were either deleted or locked up when the debates turned heated with recriminations flying back and forth. The current discussion isn't exactly beyond the pale just yet and is likely to be deemed "still tolerable," but should the debate rises above a certain threshold, it'll suffer a similar fate as its predecessors.

Most poplular and sensitive thread is like that

[Lukongsimi]

Emotion is an inapt word; conscience is the mot juste. My guilty conscience will make me ask God to search within me for any hidden or unconfessed sin. That happens when I've a niggling doubt about whether I've erred or displeased God. But for the most part, I live obediently with a clear conscience, taking care not to break any commandments or rules which I'm acquainted with, just as you're with your Islamic laws. Not forgetting the signals within from the Holy Spirit who whispers in the still, small voice and let me know I'm about to make a mistake.

As to your second paragraph, you really think the laws can be obeyed to the letter? So if God's Word so clearly and strongly commands people not to transgress the laws and rules, why don't we just obey God and stop doing what He forbids? For your information, telling people that they're doing wrong does not give them the power to stop doing it.

Paul declared, "If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin" (Gal 3:21,22). The law is powerless to eliminate the problem and give life. Something more is needed.

Even more discouraging is Paul's statement, "The sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies" (Rom 7:5).The law not only can't help us do right, it actually has the capacity to provoke what it is trying to prohibit. Forbidden fruit always appears more desirable. If you don't believe it, tell your child he can go "here" but he can't go "there." Where does he immediately want to go? There! For adults with a roving eye, forbidden fruit is always more attractive!

Laying down the law doesn't remove sinful passions. The core problem is the basic nature of people, not their behaviour. There's no way we can fix humans' sinful nature, but by the grace of God we can be free from it.

The devil deceived man that God will close one eye  if to  disobey Him 
But God never lies He warned Adam not to eat that forbidden fruit and the wages of sin is death 
Keeping the Law is not enough so Jesus has to be the sacrificial lamb for humanity sin since no one is found righteous to be that lamb 
Whoever call upon the name of the Lord will
Be saved

[pinkpanther]

In Galatians 1:11–12 Paul reflects “I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it ; rather, I received it by (through) revelation from Jesus Christ.”

[Hope]

In Galatians 1:11–12 Paul reflects “I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it ; rather, I received it by (through) revelation from Jesus Christ.”

Do you have the Gospel of Thomas?

[Hope]

Ah butt, please close this thread.  It is divisive and can cause friction among people.

Religion...to each his own. Period..  Do not discuss or argue.

Are you an atheist?

[pinkpanther]

Do you have the Gospel of Thomas?

It is not reliable!

[Blasterlord2]

Ah butt, please close this thread.  It is divisive and can cause friction among people.

Religion...to each his own. Period..  Do not discuss or argue.

Now you know why the Muslims, Jews and Christians have been killing one another for ages.

[S I M T A N]

Most poplular and sensitive thread is like that

Any atheist speechless here? Not that I know of. But I do know that our resident atheist is outspokenly atheistic in his views. I'd just read him speechifying about the bane of religion discussion. While he seems ill-disposed to any talk about religion, some other avowed atheists whom I knew simply loved engaging in lively discourses with Christians, the way the Muslims are doing right here.

Religion is a perennially popular topic of conversation. Netizens are in it for a variety of reasons, such as wanting to share their beliefs or to defend them, to demolish other's beliefs or to get a fuller understanding of spiritual issues like the hereafter, or simply to score off each other. Discussions are never really amicable, particularly when it involves one's sacredly-held beliefs. Having one's most cherished beliefs challenged with sacrilegious remarks being made is part and parcel of the theological debate.

Anyway you slice it, religious talk is here to stay. Once people get into a talking point that touches on a metaphysical issue and they start talking, there's no holding them back.

[Hope]

It is not reliable!

Why?
How come other gospel are reliable?

[Ali Imran]

Emotion is an inapt word; conscience is the mot juste. My guilty conscience will make me ask God to search within me for any hidden or unconfessed sin. That happens when I've a niggling doubt about whether I've erred or displeased God. But for the most part, I live obediently with a clear conscience, taking care not to break any commandments or rules which I'm acquainted with, just as you're with your Islamic laws. Not forgetting the signals within from the Holy Spirit who whispers in the still, small voice and let me know I'm about to make a mistake.

As to your second paragraph, you really think the laws can be obeyed to the letter? So if God's Word so clearly and strongly commands people not to transgress the laws and rules, why don't we just obey God and stop doing what He forbids? For your information, telling people that they're doing wrong does not give them the power to stop doing it.

Paul declared, "If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin" (Gal 3:21,22). The law is powerless to eliminate the problem and give life. Something more is needed.

Even more discouraging is Paul's statement, "The sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies" (Rom 7:5).The law not only can't help us do right, it actually has the capacity to provoke what it is trying to prohibit. Forbidden fruit always appears more desirable. If you don't believe it, tell your child he can go "here" but he can't go "there." Where does he immediately want to go? There! For adults with a roving eye, forbidden fruit is always more attractive!

Laying down the law doesn't remove sinful passions. The core problem is the basic nature of people, not their behaviour. There's no way we can fix humans' sinful nature, but by the grace of God we can be free from it.

We Muslims can be 100% obedient to the statutes, to the best of our ability. We will indeed fall short at times like we may fall sick and could not fast when commanded, but we make up for it. But yes, all of God's commandments are doable. 

It is the same in the Jewish religion, even as it may be much tougher. For example, our "Sabbath" is only a few hours on Friday while theirs is 24 hours on Saturday. (Contrary to your understanding of Sabbath, it is not a day of rest. It is a day reserved for God, a worship day. On that day, they must abandon any worldly pursuit) The point is, that the law is not a curse. The law is guidance for us. The law is sacred, not accursed. 

Have you properly reflected upon Jesus's words saying anybody who teach people to put aside the law will be in hell?

[Ali Imran]

Now you know why the Muslims, Jews and Christians have been killing one another for ages.

Humans kill humans, for all sorts of reasons, religious or otherwise.

[pinkpanther]

Why?
How come other gospel are reliable?

They were either eyewitnesses, as in the case of Matthew and John, or close associates of eyewitnesses....something that your Quran doesn't have!

[Lukongsimi]

Any atheist speechless here? Not that I know of. But I do know that our resident atheist is outspokenly atheistic in his views. I'd just read him speechifying about the bane of religion discussion. While he seems ill-disposed to any talk about religion, some other avowed atheists whom I knew simply loved engaging in lively discourses with Christians, the way the Muslims are doing right here.

Religion is a perennially popular topic of conversation. Netizens are in it for a variety of reasons, such as wanting to share their beliefs or to defend them, to demolish other's beliefs or to get a fuller understanding of spiritual issues like the hereafter, or simply to score off each other. Discussions are never really amicable, particularly when it involves one's sacredly-held beliefs. Having one's most cherished beliefs challenged with sacrilegious remarks being made is part and parcel of the theological debate.

Anyway you slice it, religious talk is here to stay. Once people get into a talking point that touches on a metaphysical issue and they start talking, there's no holding them back.

Christianity is the most hated religion for centuries 
The disciples died of tortured death except John who lived up to old ripe age.
Jesus said many tried to find the narrow gate but failed.
many people will hate u becos of Christ
Whoever endures to the end will be saved.
whenever u talk of the power n Goodness of Christ the moslems will come n attack.
because they need us to go heaven.

[pinkpanther]

Why?
How come other gospel are reliable?

How many Creators of life is in your Quran?

[cheekopekman]

Do you have the Gospel of Thomas?

Only 4 gospels are recorded in the Bible and canonised lah!  Anything additional is fake lah!

[cheekopekman]

Christianity is the most hated religion for centuries 
The disciples died of tortured death except John who lived up to old ripe age.
Jesus said many tried to find the narrow gate but failed.
many people will hate u becos of Christ
Whoever endures to the end will be saved.
whenever u talk of the power n Goodness of Christ the moslems will come n attack.
because they need us to go heaven.

All Christian martyrs died for their faith in Jesus Christ lah!  Christians belong to Christ lah!

[Ali Imran]

Christianity is the most hated religion for centuries 
The disciples died of tortured death except John who lived up to old ripe age.
Jesus said many tried to find the narrow gate but failed.
many people will hate u becos of Christ
Whoever endures to the end will be saved.
whenever u talk of the power n Goodness of Christ the moslems will come n attack.
because they need us to go heaven.

If I need you to stay a Christian for me to go to heaven, I'd want you to stay a Christian. But here I am telling you why I believe you are on the wrong path and inviting you to Islam, the straight path to salvation.

So please think, pengyu. Your friend pinky is spreading lies about Islam.

[pinkpanther]

Pinky does not spread lies...all he has to do is just read 

[pinkpanther]

Sahih Muslim 2767 a

Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

The prophet Muhammad pbuh ..see I am very polite once again!
His words are very clear..we do not need to add or subtract anything extra....this is his teachings and you must abide and respect!

We are their salvation!

[Hope]

How many Creators of life is in your Quran?

one 
How Many?

[Hope]

They were either eyewitnesses, as in the case of Matthew and John, or close associates of eyewitnesses....something that your Quran doesn't have!

Gospel of Thomas has 114 sayings of Jesus.
One of them states God can not be born out of a woman.That is the reason Gospel of Thomas thrown out.

[pinkpanther]

one 
How Many?

But Jesus gave life to birds!
So how many?

[Hope]

Sahih Muslim 2767 a

Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

The prophet Muhammad pbuh ..see I am very polite once again!
His words are very clear..we do not need to add or subtract anything extra....this is his teachings and you must abide and respect!

We are their salvation!

I will take you as a rescue 😜

[pinkpanther]

Gospel of Thomas has 114 sayings of Jesus.
One of them states God can not be born out of a woman.That is the reason Gospel of Thomas thrown out.

That's why the 114 sayings are inside your Quran and not in the Bible....

[pinkpanther]

I will take you as a rescue 😜

Yes...if Islam is the truth..I will be your barbecue 

[Hope]

Yes...if Islam is the truth..I will be your barbecue 

Allah is the truth 
Islam is the truth. 
Resurrection is true
Day of Judgement is true 
7 levels of heaven is true 
7 levels of hell is true 
Nothing else

[pinkpanther]

Allah is the truth 
Islam is the truth. 
Resurrection is true
Day of Judgement is true 
7 levels of heaven is true 
7 levels of hell is true 
Nothing else

I'm glad to see you advocating for Islam, as that's something your buddy didn't address from the beginning....I believe your Quran mentions that Muslims shouldn't selectively choose verses from the Bible to attack...

[cheekopekman]

Gospel of Thomas has 114 sayings of Jesus.
One of them states God can not be born out of a woman.That is the reason Gospel of Thomas thrown out.

Anyone who adds or subtracts any word from the Bible will be answerable to God on the Judgement Day lah!  Better don't anyhow say lah!