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(25-09-2024, 10:32 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Not all churches have the feeling of God’s presence 
Was very sleepy bef baptism after that my eyes never fail to stay open until end of sermon


I initially wasn't sure why the presence of God is acutely felt only in certain churches. I later realized Paul's statement in 2 Cor 3:17 may help to explain the phenomenon, "Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." In the NT, "Lord" represents the sacred name of God, which is "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"; it indicates a Divine Being.

Paul said, "the Lord is the Spirit." God the Father is Lord, God the Son is Lord, and God the Spirit is also Lord. Jesus is Lord over the church, but the Holy Spirit is Lord in the church. Jesus' lordship over the church is effective only insofar as the Holy Spirit is Lord in the church. Should a church truly desire Jesus as Lord, the Holy Spirit must first be Lord within that church.

This requirement presents a problem to many contemporary Christian churches whose members confess Jesus as Lord but fail to make the Holy Spirit Lord in their lives and in their church meetings. The first step towards making the Holy Spirit Lord is to be baptized with the Holy Spirit or, failing that, the stirring of the Holy Spirit may not be felt at all.

Paul identified two ways that the Holy Spirit dwells within the church, the body of Christ. In 1 Cor 3:16, he wrote: "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" The "you" in this passage is plural in the original Greek. Paul was speaking to Christians collectively as a temple of the Holy Spirit. In the next breath, he said, "Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?" (v 19) Here, Paul addressed individual believers. Not only does the Holy Spirit dwell in the church - a collective group of believers - but he also dwells within each individual believer.
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(25-09-2024, 05:36 PM)Hope Wrote:  what does Bible say about homosexuality?
Do you allow Gays to teach your religion?


The Bible says more than enough about homosexual practice for us to say something too. Of course, homosexuality isn't the only sin in the world, nor is it the most critical one to address in many church contexts. But if Corinthians 6 is right, it's not an overstatement to say that solemnizing same-sex sexual behavior - like supporting any form of sexual immorality - runs the risk of leading people to hell. Scripture often warns us - and in the severest terms - against finding our sexual identity apart from Christ and against pursuing sexual practice inconsistent with being in Christ - whether that's homosexual sin or heterosexual sin. Yes, an erstwhile poofter who's penitent may preach God's Word.
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(26-09-2024, 01:05 AM)Hope Wrote:  Hell and heaven are eternal.
Some of the people will stay in hell for a shorter period.

No..even for non believers, hell is temporary. Pls watch from 7:30 to 9:20.
He talks about believers and non believers in hell!

You know Shabir Ally right? President of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto.
Definitely his words hold more weight than your interpretation tiok boh? Big Grin

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(25-09-2024, 05:36 PM)Hope Wrote:  what does Bible say about homosexuality?
Do you allow Gays to teach your religion?

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (Leviticus 18:22 NIV) God spoke to Aaron the high priest lah! Big Grin
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(25-09-2024, 05:00 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Where got same?
Jesus can calm the storm walked on water rise up to heaven,can u do it?

Other prophets also can perform miracle.

God says he is NOT a man and then suddenly becomes a man.

Make sense to you?
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(26-09-2024, 08:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Other prophets also can perform miracle.

God says he is NOT a man and then suddenly becomes a man.

Make sense to you?

Which other prophet who is able to walk on water?
Pray on the spot to change 5 loaves of bread 2 fishes to feed thousands of hungry people?
Your muh can boh?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 05:53 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No..even for non believers, hell is temporary. Pls watch from 7:30 to 9:20.
He talks about believers and non believers in hell!

You know Shabir Ally right? President of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto.
Definitely his words hold more weight than your interpretation tiok boh? Big Grin

I repeat again 

Hell is forever for certain people.
Hell is temporary for people who believe in Allah and practice his commandments.We don’t know the length of stay.


“Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.”Quran 9:68


“Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will ˹constantly˺ taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.”Quran 4:56


https://youtu.be/BnSH8XWk9cA?si=D48HlTa_ulw0O_og
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(26-09-2024, 01:13 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I initially wasn't sure why the presence of God is acutely felt only in certain churches. I later realized Paul's statement in 2 Cor 3:17 may help to explain the phenomenon, "Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." In the NT, "Lord" represents the sacred name of God, which is "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"; it indicates a Divine Being.

Paul said, "the Lord is the Spirit." God the Father is Lord, God the Son is Lord, and God the Spirit is also Lord. Jesus is Lord over the church, but the Holy Spirit is Lord in the church. Jesus' lordship over the church is effective only insofar as the Holy Spirit is Lord in the church. Should a church truly desire Jesus as Lord, the Holy Spirit must first be Lord within that church.

This requirement presents a problem to many contemporary Christian churches whose members confess Jesus as Lord but fail to make the Holy Spirit Lord in their lives and in their church meetings. The first step towards making the Holy Spirit Lord is to be baptized with the Holy Spirit or, failing that, the stirring of the Holy Spirit may not be felt at all.

Paul identified two ways that the Holy Spirit dwells within the church, the body of Christ. In 1 Cor 3:16, he wrote: "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" The "you" in this passage is plural in the original Greek. Paul was speaking to Christians collectively as a temple of the Holy Spirit. In the next breath, he said, "Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?" (v 19) Here, Paul addressed individual believers. Not only does the Holy Spirit dwell in the church - a collective group of believers - but he also dwells within each individual believer.

Yes
U have deep knowledge of Christianity unlike Ali always ask stupid questions

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 09:24 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Which other prophet who is able to walk on water?
Pray on the spot to change 5 loaves of bread 2 fishes to feed thousands of hungry people?
Your muh can boh?

Prophet Moses pbuh split the sea.

Are you gonna say he is also God like Jesus?
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(26-09-2024, 09:36 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Prophet Moses pbuh split the sea.

Are you gonna say he is also God like Jesus?

Jesus gave Moses the rod to split the sea n do miracles 
Without it he can’t do anything

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 09:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  I repeat again 

Hell is forever for certain people.
Hell is temporary for people who believe in Allah and practice his commandments.We don’t know the length of stay.


“Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.”Quran 9:68


“Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will ˹constantly˺ taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.”Quran 4:56


https://youtu.be/BnSH8XWk9cA?si=D48HlTa_ulw0O_og

Book of RevelationAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 12:29 AM)grotesqueness Wrote:  the Father the Son and the holy Spirit and Jesus was there all along

you bloody Eyes cannot See



yes my God can appear all the places at all the times
no need to  fly /skydiving around the world daily/weekly/monthly or yearly like your Stupeeeee Allah

my God control the TIME

your Allah CAN'T

Allah is an Arabic word for God in English.
How ever,You have no problem accepting English word which was not the native language of Jesus.
Arabic , Aramaic and Hebrew languages are Semitic languages.English and Greek are not Semitic languages.
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(26-09-2024, 09:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  I repeat again 

Hell is forever for certain people.
Hell is temporary for people who believe in Allah and practice his commandments.We don’t know the length of stay.


“Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.”Quran 9:68


“Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will ˹constantly˺ taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.”Quran 4:56


https://youtu.be/BnSH8XWk9cA?si=D48HlTa_ulw0O_og

No. Hell is temporary for all according to shabir ally
This is an important matter ..you want more evidences?
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(26-09-2024, 12:28 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Jesus walked the earth for 33 years n plus showed himself to Abraham,Jacob,Moses 
Go figure.
Anybody saw your Allah how does he looks like?
Abraham,Jacob and Moses lived thousands of years before Jesus . How, where and when did Jesus show himself to them?

We don’t see Allah.But Allah is seeing all of us .
Our faith is very strong In unseen God.
You see your God, Son of god and holy sprit daily, yet faith is not strong and also you don’t feel their presence in church 🙄
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(26-09-2024, 10:20 AM)Hope Wrote:  Abraham,Jacob and Moses lived thousands of years before Jesus . How, where and when did Jesus show himself to them?

We don’t see Allah.But Allah is seeing all of us .
Our faith is very strong In unseen God.
You see your God, Son god and holy sprit daily, yet faith is not strong and also you don’t feel their presence in church 🙄

Thousands of Muslims have seen Jesus in their dreams...
Where is Allah? Big Grin No one has ever seen Allah in dreams or visions...not even 1 account!
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(26-09-2024, 09:29 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Yes
U have deep knowledge of Christianity unlike Ali always ask stupid questions
Please don’t compare Ali with SimTan.
You should compare SimTan with your self as you both adhere to same religion and teachings.
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(26-09-2024, 09:38 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Jesus gave Moses the rod to split the sea n do miracles 
Without it he can’t do anything

If Jesus did, why can’t he help Israelis last 75 years?
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(26-09-2024, 09:24 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Which other prophet who is able to walk on water?
Pray on the spot to change 5 loaves of bread 2 fishes to feed thousands of hungry people?
Your muh can boh?

Thousand of people mean how many?
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(26-09-2024, 09:42 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Book of RevelationAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Do you mean Muslim are going to hell 😂😜🤪?
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(26-09-2024, 10:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No. Hell is temporary for all according to shabir ally
This is an important matter ..you want more evidences?
Sabir Ally is not a prophet ,Allah ,Quran or Angels.
Please ask him to give you a Guarantee letter 😜
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(26-09-2024, 10:29 AM)Hope Wrote:  Thousand of people mean how many?

Thousand of people means Thousand of people

you bloody asshole failed your maths huh
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(26-09-2024, 10:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  Please don’t compare Ali with SimTan.
You should compare SimTan with your self as you both adhere to same religion and teachings.

Allah says in Qur'an (98:6), Those who disbelieve among Jews, Christians and Polytheists are the worst creatures

Allah calls us the worst of all creatures!! I would never call Ali the worst of all creatures!!
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(26-09-2024, 10:29 AM)Hope Wrote:  Thousand of people mean how many?

5 thousands in bible.
Your muh done any miracles ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 10:35 AM)Hope Wrote:  Sabir Ally is not a prophet ,Allah ,Quran or Angels.
Please ask him to give you a Guarantee letter 😜

Do you have more knowledge than Shabir? Big Grin
You don even know hell was temporary...I have to show you and convince you Big Grin

Bro, your knowledge is limited! Heaven and hell is important..I suggest you read!

Saying by Umar (ra) (Tafsir Fathul Byan, the Fathuo Bari, Durr-i Mansur and Hadil Arwah of Ibn-i-Qayyum) which runs thus:

Even if the dwellers in hell may be numberless as the sand of the desert, surely a day would come when they will be taken out of it.”

Tafsir-ul-Maalam-ul-Tanzil under verse Hud:107:

“A time will come when no one will be left in Hell; winds will blow and the windows and doors of Hell will make a rattling noise on account of the blowing winds.”

 
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(26-09-2024, 10:27 AM)Hope Wrote:  If Jesus did, why can’t he help Israelis last 75 years?

How u know He didn’t help?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 10:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  Please don’t compare Ali with SimTan.
You should compare SimTan with your self as you both adhere to same religion and teachings.

Same religion no need compare,same sheep pen same shepherd

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 10:42 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  5 thousands in bible.
Your muh done any miracles ?

His miracles is having 13 wives.. Big Grin
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(26-09-2024, 10:58 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  His miracles is 13 wives.. Big Grin

Only concern below lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26-09-2024, 10:59 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Only concern below lol

Rotfl everyday do also scare!
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(26-09-2024, 10:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Thousands of Muslims have seen Jesus in their dreams...
Where is Allah? Big Grin No one has ever seen Allah in dreams or visions...not even 1 account!
Till now I haven’t found any testimonies yet still searching

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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