[pinkpanther]

The Black Stone History

The Prophet said: “By Allah! On the Day of Qiyamah (judgement), Allah will present the Hajar al-Aswad in such a manner that it will have two eyes and a tongue to testify to the Imaan (faith) of all those who kissed it.”

Is pinkie fooling you? 

[pinkpanther]

Ibn `Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Al-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.” (Narrated by At-Tirmidhi, 959. This Hadith was classed as sound by At-Tirmidhi and as authentic by Al-Hakim (1/664).

It is based on a sound hadith that touching or kissing it can erase sins. This is why Muslims will fight and strive to have the opportunity to purify themselves of their wrongdoings. .....Now who says Pinkie is fooling you 

[pinkpanther]

Located in the eastern corner of the Kaaba is the Black Stone (al-Ḥajar al-Aswad), whose now broken pieces are surrounded by a ring of stone and held together by a heavy silver band. According to tradition, this stone was given to Adam on his expulsion from paradise in order to obtain forgiveness of his sins.20 Aug 2024

[pinkpanther]

To rebuke post #2008

The author said that it is stupid to say that the black stone can erase sins!
Hmm..is he saying that his prophet is stupid? 

Ibn `Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Al-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.” (Narrated by At-Tirmidhi, 959. This Hadith was classed as sound by At-Tirmidhi and as authentic by Al-Hakim (1/664)

YESHUA AKBAR!

[grotesqueness]

To rebuke post #2008

The author said that it is stupid to say that the black stone can erase sins!
Hmm..are you saying that your prophet is stupid? 

Ibn `Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Al-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.” (Narrated by At-Tirmidhi, 959. This Hadith was classed as sound by At-Tirmidhi and as authentic by Al-Hakim (1/664)

YESHUA AKBAR!

black stone stop shit from coming out

[pinkpanther]

black stone stop shit from coming out

I cannot imagine! 

[Hope]

Why? U found the narrow gate?

We don’t have narrow gates, metal gates,Wooden gates.
We have only straight path. We recite this during our five times prayer. It is recited over 25billion times around the world 24/7 daily



Quran chapter 1

In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.
All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds
the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Master of the Day of Judgment.
You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.
Guide us along the Straight Path,
the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.

[Hope]

Some people worship a piece of wood did that wood appears walking and talking to them?

You mean your wooden cross?

[Hope]

Show me the verse!

The verses you posted Luke 1:26-36.It says Throne of David and House of Jacob are given to Jesus forever.
Where are those?
Failed prophecy 😂?

[Lukongsimi]

We don’t have narrow gates, metal gates,Wooden gates.
We have only straight path. We recite this during our five times prayer. It is recited over 25billion times around the world 24/7 daily



Quran chapter 1

In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.
All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds
the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Master of the Day of Judgment.
You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.
Guide us along the Straight Path,
the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.

U mean each time only that specified prayer?
V easy 
Tot half an hour

[Lukongsimi]

You mean your wooden cross?

No 
Anything that is lifeless

[Hope]

U mean each time only that specified prayer?
V easy 
Tot half an hour

We have five times compulsory prayer,total 17 repetitions / movements (we called it Rakah/Rakat ). In each repetitions we recite this chapter . For the whole prayers ,it takes 3 to 6 minutes depending on the repetitions each time.
We have 
2Repetitions before sun rise
4 Repetitions at midday 
4 Repetitions late after noon 
3 Repetitions after sun set
4 Repetitions at night

[Lukongsimi]

We have five times compulsory prayer,total 17 repetitions / movements (we called it Rakah/Rakat ). In each repetitions we recite this chapter . For the whole prayers ,it takes 3 to 6 minutes depending on the repetitions each time.
We have 
2Repetitions before sun rise
4 Repetitions at midday 
4 Repetitions late after noon 
3 Repetitions after sun set
4 Repetitions at night

Jesus taught us not to pray repetition prayers as the Father already knows what we want

[S I M T A N]

Yes, I know what you believe. I just wonder why Christians choose to venerate an instrument of torture. 

Let me ask you this. Why don't you be responsible for your own wrongdoings instead of letting another man be tortured for what you did?

I wasn't commenting. I am asking you a question. Why are you okay with Jesus being tortured and killed horribly for your wrongdoings?

No, I didn't kiss the stone.

The Bible assures us that Jesus's crucifixion permanently altered the eternal destiny of all those who place their faith in Him. The apostle John, who witnessed Christ's gut-wrenching agony on the cruel Roman cross, wrote many years later about what Christ accomplished by His death: "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2). Propitiation means 'appeasement" or "satisfaction."

During John's time pagan religions in some parts of the world participated in endless religious rituals or offered children as burnt offerings to appease the angry gods. Today certain religions identify different human foibles we need to correct in order to appease the gods or at least enjoy a fuller life. Your faith mandates adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to satisfy your God.

These various religions all share a common denominator: it's man who is responsible for appeasing God or the gods through rule-keeping, self-improvement, or rituals. As a staunch abider of God's laws to earn your way to paradise, you seem hell-bent on rejecting the necessity of the Atonement while depreciating grace.

Any way you slice it, the unique message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ alone is capable of offering a sufficient sacrifice to atone for our sin that have offended a holy God. There was no other way for humanity's redemption. We're quite unable to save ourselves, to escape from our sinful condition. We're lost forever - unless God comes to our rescue, which He's done by sending His son to save us.

"The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God" (Rom 6:10). This was accomplished when "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Cor 5:21). When Jesus went to the cross, all the sins of the world were upon Him. When they nailed those spikes into His hands and feet, all the sins of the world were upon Him. But when He was resurrected, there were no sins upon Him. They stayed in the grave. As He sits at the right hand of the Father today, there are no sins upon Him. He has triumphed over sin and death. And since we're in Him, we're also dead to sin.

[pinkpanther]

The verses you posted Luke 1:26-36.It says Throne of David and House of Jacob are given to Jesus forever.
Where are those?
Failed prophecy 😂?

You don anyhow learn to misinterpret from your old man ..Don murder the verses!

The throne of David signifies Jesus' legitimate claim to the Messianic role, His divine kingship, the fulfillment of God's promises, and a message of hope and restoration for humanity...while the House of Jacob only suggest his Jewish heritage and his mission going forward!

[pinkpanther]

https://sunnah.com/nasai:2919

[Ali Imran]

The Bible assures us that Jesus's crucifixion permanently altered the eternal destiny of all those who place their faith in Him. The apostle John, who witnessed Christ's gut-wrenching agony on the cruel Roman cross, wrote many years later about what Christ accomplished by His death: "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2). Propitiation means 'appeasement" or "satisfaction."

During John's time pagan religions in some parts of the world participated in endless religious rituals or offered children as burnt offerings to appease the angry gods. Today certain religions identify different human foibles we need to correct in order to appease the gods or at least enjoy a fuller life. Your faith mandates adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to satisfy your God.

These various religions all share a common denominator: it's man who is responsible for appeasing God or the gods through rule-keeping, self-improvement, or rituals. As a staunch abider of God's laws to earn your way to paradise, you seem hell-bent on rejecting the necessity of the Atonement while depreciating grace.

Any way you slice it, the unique message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ alone is capable of offering a sufficient sacrifice to atone for our sin that have offended a holy God. There was no other way for humanity's redemption. We're quite unable to save ourselves, to escape from our sinful condition. We're lost forever - unless God comes to our rescue, which He's done by sending His son to save us.

"The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God" (Rom 6:10). This was accomplished when "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Cor 5:21). When Jesus went to the cross, all the sins of the world were upon Him. When they nailed those spikes into His hands and feet, all the sins of the world were upon Him. But when He was resurrected, there were no sins upon Him. They stayed in the grave. As He sits at the right hand of the Father today, there are no sins upon Him. He has triumphed over sin and death. And since we're in Him, we're also dead to sin.

Hello

Just like LKSM, you too didn't address the question.

If you love Jesus, would you want him to be tortured, humiliated, and killed because of the wrongs that you do? I don't think so. I know I wouldn't. I would instead ask the Father to save him, even if it means I will have to answer for my own wrongdoings. If I am there, I would gladly take over his place on the cross. That is how much I love him.

So why is it that you are instead pleased that someone else is made to pay for your own wrongdoings? That is unjust and it doesn't teach people to take responsibility for their own actions.

[cheekopekman]

The Bible assures us that Jesus's crucifixion permanently altered the eternal destiny of all those who place their faith in Him. The apostle John, who witnessed Christ's gut-wrenching agony on the cruel Roman cross, wrote many years later about what Christ accomplished by His death: "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2). Propitiation means 'appeasement" or "satisfaction."

During John's time pagan religions in some parts of the world participated in endless religious rituals or offered children as burnt offerings to appease the angry gods. Today certain religions identify different human foibles we need to correct in order to appease the gods or at least enjoy a fuller life. Your faith mandates adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to satisfy your God.

These various religions all share a common denominator: it's man who is responsible for appeasing God or the gods through rule-keeping, self-improvement, or rituals. As a staunch abider of God's laws to earn your way to paradise, you seem hell-bent on rejecting the necessity of the Atonement while depreciating grace.

Any way you slice it, the unique message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ alone is capable of offering a sufficient sacrifice to atone for our sin that have offended a holy God. There was no other way for humanity's redemption. We're quite unable to save ourselves, to escape from our sinful condition. We're lost forever - unless God comes to our rescue, which He's done by sending His son to save us.

"The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God" (Rom 6:10). This was accomplished when "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Cor 5:21). When Jesus went to the cross, all the sins of the world were upon Him. When they nailed those spikes into His hands and feet, all the sins of the world were upon Him. But when He was resurrected, there were no sins upon Him. They stayed in the grave. As He sits at the right hand of the Father today, there are no sins upon Him. He has triumphed over sin and death. And since we're in Him, we're also dead to sin.

Death by crucifixion on a cross during Jesus's days, not sure now, was a very cruel way to die under the Roman Empire lah!  Public display of the crucifix was another cruel way for others to mock and insult those criminals, and for warning to others too. The Jews were being oppressed by the Romans during that era so they suffered tortures of all kinds authorised and ordered by Emperor Caesar. Those Christians were also thrown into the arena to fight with roaring lions lah!

[Ali Imran]

Your faith mandates adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to satisfy your God.

The word is not "satisfy" but I notice you like using that word coz you must be thinking God is like us humans who want to be satiated. I don't blame you for thinking like that. After all, you believe a man is God.

Anyway, it is not just my faith that has a list of dos and don'ts. Jesus's religion also has a list of dos and don'ts. The parents of John the Baptist were righteous people because they were obedient to the commandments of God, what you call "satisfying their God".

Satisfying their God earns them the title of righteous in the sight of God.

[pinkpanther]

#2058

I almost choked on my water when I read this...
You would be glad to take over Him on the cross? 

Only a pure and sinless man can take on the sins of the whole world lah....
You so sinful...you also want to volunteer ah?

[Hope]

Jesus taught us not to pray repetition prayers as the Father already knows what we want

Are Your prayers similar to Hindus and Buddhist ?

[Ali Imran]

Jesus taught us not to pray repetition prayers as the Father already knows what we want

Do Christians recite the Lord's prayer repetitively? Yes they do. For religious Christians, they recite the Lord's prayer every night.

[Hope]

You don anyhow learn to misinterpret from your old man ..Don murder the verses!

The throne of David signifies Jesus' legitimate claim to the Messianic role, His divine kingship, the fulfillment of God's promises, and a message of hope and restoration for humanity...while the House of Jacob only suggest his Jewish heritage and his mission going forward!

Jewish heritage means,Is he still a Jew?

Is Messianic role only for Christian or humanity?
as per your interpretation,Was David a messiah as well?
As per your interpretations, what was God’s promises ? 

As per your interpretation,There was another God before birth of Jesus, Was Jesus  born to fulfill that God’s promises?

Jacob was born before David. Why didn’t Jacob get the throne?What is the relationship between Jacob and David?

[Lukongsimi]

Hello

Just like LKSM, you too didn't address the question.

If you love Jesus, would you want him to be tortured, humiliated, and killed because of the wrongs that you do? I don't think so. I know I wouldn't. I would instead ask the Father to save him, even if it means I will have to answer for my own wrongdoings. If I am there, I would gladly take over his place on the cross. That is how much I love him.

So why is it that you are instead pleased that someone else is made to pay for your own wrongdoings? That is unjust and it doesn't teach people to take responsibility for their own actions.

It’s already finished and yet u keep complaining and murmuring why why 
God has done His part to save our soul and u did not appreciate His suffering He endures for us but mock mock at us why 
Grow some brain and accept the truth 
May The Lord shut your mouth and speak not falsehood anymore
God bless you!

[Lukongsimi]

Are Your prayers similar to Hindus and Buddhist ?

Tell me how Hindus and Buddhists 
Pray?

[Lukongsimi]

Do Christians recite the Lord's prayer repetitively? Yes they do. For religious Christians, they recite the Lord's prayer every night.

Pray one time not repeat and repeat until the fourth time

[Hope]

#2058

I almost choked on my water when I read this...
You would be glad to take over Him on the cross? 

Only a pure and sinless man can take on the sins of the whole world lah....
You so sinful...you also want to volunteer ah?

2000 years ago , people were put to death on cross to punish the slave ,Pirates,enemies of the state.

[Ali Imran]

Pray one time not repeat and repeat until the fourth time

Can you recite the Lord's prayer more than once?

[Lukongsimi]

#2058

I almost choked on my water when I read this...
You would be glad to take over Him on the cross? 

Only a pure and sinless man can take on the sins of the whole world lah....
You so sinful...you also want to volunteer ah?

Cannot ..pachik blood will worsen our sin
Even darker than the black stone 
Don’t u think so?

[Ali Imran]

Cannot ..pachik blood will worsen our sin
Even darker than the black stone 
Don’t u think so?

It is not about taking the sins. It is about the love I have for Jesus, so much that I would not want him to suffer or be humiliated.

Would you do the same? Would you gladly take the place of Jesus if you were there at that time?