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(22-03-2024, 06:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you can, show me any authors of the Gospels who said God inspired them to write what they wrote.

Why did Moses write the first 5 books of the Bible from the third person’s perspective, and how did he write about his own death?
First and foremost, Moses was a prophet of God (as was every single writer of Scripture). A prophet declares the divine will of God and God verifies the message is authentic by including the advanced prediction of future events. A true prophet is never wrong and the prophecies that are made are always literally fulfilled, exactly as spoken… on Earth in the sight of humanity (Deut 18:22). God chose prophecy as His proof to humanity that He is real and that He alone is God (Isa 41:21–24, 43:9-12, 44:6–8, 45:21, 46:8-10). This is both why and how Moses was able to write about his own death and what was to immediately follow it. And Moses states this very thing in “The Torah” which are the first five books that Moses wrote. Deuteronomy 31:24–27 says…
“So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of the Torah in a book when they were finished, that Moses commanded… ‘Take this Book of the Torah and put it beside the ark of the covenant… as a witness against you... If today, while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord, then how much more after my death?
There are three more chapters that follow this statement by Moses. Chapter 32:1–47 is “The Song of Moses” spoken by Moses to all of Israel (that he had clearly already written). On the same day (at verse 48–52), Moses records the prophecy of his ascent to Mt. Nebo. Chapter 33 prophetically records the blessing Moses was to speak before he ascended Mt. Nebo. Chapter 34 then prophetically records Moses ascent up Mt. Nebo and the general events of his death that would follow.
Now, if Moses can predict the future coming of “a prophet like me” (Deut 18:15) which was fulfilled over 1,700 later by Jesus (Yahusha)… is it beyond all reason to believe that on the day he completed the Torah he included the future event of his death that would take place later that same day and the immediate events that would take place after his death? Remember, he already spoke of his death in Chapter 31 above… and it is still the same day…being the day he died.
Some point to Moses laying his hands on Joshua in 34:9 as proof that this was added later; but, Moses did that back in Numbers 27! Verse 34:9 is restating a past event… and the purpose of his is found in what immediately follows. Following the mention of Joshua, Moses says, “that to this very day” (the day of his death) no “prophet like him” had yet come (which he had prophesied in Chapter 18:15)… which is then excluding Joshua the son of Nun from being the possible fulfillment of that prophecy… because Moses had already raised Joshua up. Due to the claim, Yahusha was “the Prophet,” modern rabbis teach that Moses' prophecy was fulfilled by Joshua the son of Nun, even though Moses made it clear Joshua was excluded. Remember, first-century Jews were still asking “Are you the Prophet” (Jn 1:21), and Scripture says He was (Jn 6:14, 7:40).
The Torah (of Moses) lays the entire foundation of all prophecy in Scripture. There are no prophecies from the books of Joshua to Revelation that do not begin and/or connect back to the Torah. Was Moses a prophet? How can we know? Well, it was Moses who first prophesied that the day would come when God would cast all of Israel out of the Promised Land (before they had even entered it), and God would scatter them among all the nations… and there they to be persecuted (in those nations). And, in this same prophecy… Moses also prophesied God would not allow them to be utterly destroyed; but, again the day would come that God would regather them back to the very same Promised Land. From A.D. 70 to 1948, the “Nation of Israel” ceased to exist with Jews literally scattered and widely persecuted in every nation. These are just the historical facts. It is also a historical fact, that when any ethnic people group has been displaced and removed from their native lands… they are assimilated and vanish as a distinct group… especially if that group is persecuted. Yet somehow, Jews remained a distinct group despite severe persecution… and after 1800 years… they not only became a nation again… they returned to the exact same land promised in Scripture by God, through Moses! Now, read what Moses prophesied in Leviticus 26… and then consider if the prophet Moses was real and able to record the events of his death.
Moses wrote from a third-person perspective because none of what he wrote was about him… and by the time he wrote the Torah, he knew it. He was born a Hebrew slave, but raised as a prince of Egypt for 40 years. Then he was exiled as a shepherd in the wilderness for 40 years. Through these circumstances, God molded Moses into a man of great humility.
“Now the man Moses was very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth” (Num 12:3).
“Humility” is often misunderstood. It is not weakness or an absence of strength, but rather… it is strength controlled born out of genuine empathy for others in a sincere desire to seek what is best for another… even if it comes at a personal loss. His lessons in humility began when he attempted to stop an Egyptian from beating a Hebrew slave and ended up killing the man and hiding his body. He then tries to stop two Hebrews from fighting and finds only resentment and a threat to expose him. His empathy for others is clear… and his unexpected personal loss is equally clear. His high status as a prince was reduced to the lowest status of a shepherd overnight and continued for the next forty years as God molded him. The result of this lesson was a man who constantly put God and the children of Israel before his own personal interest… even offering his own life for Israel (Ex 32:32).
But even Moses was human. Eighteen months before the 40-years of wandering in the wilderness was to end… Moses’ humility failed him and he lost control. The consequence was that Moses would die one year short of entering the promised land. This is why Moses wrote in the third person, it was not about him… it was about God… Israel… and a coming Messiah who would be a prophet like Moses (Deut 18:15).

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(22-03-2024, 06:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Jesus didn't eat pork coz Jesus is like me, a Muslim.

Religious Jews don't eat pork.

Muslims came 500 years after Christ walked the earth

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(22-03-2024, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran is not from scholars. An angel delivered the Quran to our prophet.

Which angel ? so many of them including fallen ones

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(22-03-2024, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran is not from scholars. An angel delivered the Quran to our prophet.

Show me in the quran the angel who delivered the quran identified himself!
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”On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: and he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.“
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10‬:‭9‬-‭12‬, ‭14‬-‭16‬ ‭KJV

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What were Muhammad's views on women base on your knowledge? Big Grin

1.He said a vast majority in hell were women
2.if a man is in prayer, a woman or a dog walks infront, the prayer is no good.
3.Men can have 4 wives and to freely have sex with female captives.
4.if a woman is not grateful to her husband, he can beat her anytime.
5.It takes 2 women to equal a man's testimony in legal matter.

He had sex with his dead aunty in the grave...I don know how true but these comments can be freely found if you search

You tell me this prophet is hand pick by God!
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(22-03-2024, 04:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Tabligh movement. We go door to door. But we only go to Malay houses and preach to them.
And u chulik came here online to  preach to Christians
and condemn their bible ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(22-03-2024, 07:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What were Muhammad's views on women base on your knowledge? Big Grin

1.He said a vast majority in hell were women
2.if a man is in prayer, a woman or a dog walks infront, the prayer is no good.
3.Men can have 4 wives and to freely have sex with female captives.
4.if a woman is not grateful to her husband, he can beat her anytime.
5.It takes 2 women to equal a man's testimony in legal matter.

He had sex with his dead aunty in the grave...I don know how true but these comments can be freely found if you search

You tell me this prophet is hand pick by God!
Wow ! 😮 spooky!

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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During this ramadan, pls remember it is the Christians who have given you that extra something in your prayers..it is us who have helped you rekindle the relationship with your god...Do not bad mouth us hor

With us bickering here, you strengthen your faith...
Once ramadan is over you can stop all these episodes  Big Grin
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If sheet goes thru the back hole can cause bleeding, yet the big kock rubbing in and out of the back hole, no pain and bleeding meh?  

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(22-03-2024, 06:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Show me in the quran the angel who delivered the quran identified himself!

The Quran is God's words, not the angel Gabriel. 

Who do you think is the author of the Quran?
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(22-03-2024, 09:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  During this ramadan, pls remember it is the Christians who have given you that extra something in your prayers..it is us who have helped you rekindle the relationship with your god...Do not bad mouth us hor

With us bickering here, you strengthen your faith...
Once ramadan is over you can stop all these episodes  Big Grin

Let's not bicker. Let's have a discourse.
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(22-03-2024, 07:45 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  And u chulik came here online to  preach to Christians
and condemn their bible ?

Hehe.. chulik.

No, I don't belong to the Tabligh movement. 

And please pengyu, I don't condemn the Bible. It is a holy book and I will not step on it, or throw it around, or burn it or eat pages out of it. I will treat it with respect because it is your holy book. What I'm doing is to show you what I believe, that the Bible is not from God nor inspired by God and it is not a reliable source of guidance for mankind.
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(22-03-2024, 11:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Hehe.. chulik.

No, I don't belong to the Tabligh movement. 

And please pengyu, I don't condemn the Bible. It is a holy book and I will not step on it, or throw it around, or burn it or eat pages out of it. I will treat it with respect because it is your holy book. What I'm doing is to show you what I believe, that the Bible is not from God nor inspired by God and it is not a reliable source of guidance for mankind.

Which part of the Quran says it’s from God?
and why need an angel to deliver the book to your prophet?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(22-03-2024, 11:28 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Which part of the Quran says it’s from God?
and why need an angel to deliver the book to your prophet?

Indeed it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed it is We who will be its guardian - Quran 15:9

When a king wants to deliver a message, he will have elaborate messengers to deliver the scroll. It's all about majesty.
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(22-03-2024, 11:36 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Indeed it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed it is We who will be its guardian - Quran 15:9

When a king wants to deliver a message, he will have elaborate messengers to deliver the scroll. It's all about majesty.

Who are the we?
How come guardian n not GOD?

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(22-03-2024, 11:43 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Who are the we?
How come guardian n not GOD?

We is Allah in that verse. 

Allah says Allah will guard it from corruption.
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(22-03-2024, 11:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  We is Allah in that verse. 

Allah says Allah will guard it from corruption.

We is more than 1 person 
2 gods ? Allah says allah is two person how come?
Should be 1 true God

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(23-03-2024, 12:06 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  We is more than 1 person 
2 gods ? Allah says allah is two person how come?
Should be 1 true God

Have you heard of pluralis majestatis? It is known as the royal we. 

The ancient semite language made use of this royal we.

So yes, 1 true God, indivisible and with no partners. To say God is One is very important to us and to the religious Jews.
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(23-03-2024, 12:11 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Have you heard of pluralis majestatis? It is known as the royal we. 

The ancient semite language made use of this royal we.

So yes, 1 true God, indivisible and with no partners. To say God is One is very important to us and to the religious Jews.

Means copy from human’s sayings 
Does not make sense

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(23-03-2024, 12:14 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Means copy from human’s sayings 
Does not make sense

God is speaking to humans so must use human language. 

Make sense now?
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(23-03-2024, 12:16 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  God is speaking to humans so must use human language. 

Make sense now?

Your god is Human’s imagination

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(23-03-2024, 12:25 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Your god is Human’s imagination

You cannot tell me that because I worship the God of Jesus, Moses, Isaac, and Abraham, peace be upon them all.

We all worship only God with no partners.
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(22-03-2024, 06:15 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Israel so He was a Jew lah! Big Grin

Actually, the lineage of the children of Israel went through the father, not the mother. Like Prophet Jacob was the first Israel and his descendants were known as children of Israel. Prophet Benjamin was an Israelite because his father was an Israelite. Therefore, Jesus cannot be an Israelite because he doesn't have a father.

That is why, in the Quran, when Prophet Moses spoke to his people, he addressed them as "O my people" but when Jesus spoke to his people, he addressed them as "O children of Israel". But that is in the Quran. You don't have to believe it.
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(23-03-2024, 12:28 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You cannot tell me that because I worship the God of Jesus, Moses, Isaac, and Abraham, peace be upon them all.

We all worship only God with no partners.
U worship different Jesus saying our Bible is faked

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(22-03-2024, 06:19 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Muslims came 500 years after Christ walked the earth

The first Muslim who walked the earth was Adam.

A Muslim is one who does the will of God. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 12, we the Muslims will be his brothers and sisters.  “For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
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(23-03-2024, 12:35 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U worship different Jesus saying our Bible is faked

I didn't say that. I've never used the word fake.

I've used the word forgery and corruption and please be clear about this. I have no right to say the Bible is corrupted or there are forgeries in the Bible because I am not a scholar of the Bible. The scholars of the Bible are the people who studied the thousands of manuscripts and they have concluded that corruption has crept into the scriptures and that there are forgeries.

I am not trying to hurt your feelings but it is what it is.
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(23-03-2024, 12:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The first Muslim who walked the earth was Adam.

A Muslim is one who does the will of God. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 12, we the Muslims will be his brothers and sisters.  “For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Yours is faked bible there is no mention of Muslim in kjv bible the trusted bible

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(23-03-2024, 12:45 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Yours is faked bible there is no mention of Muslim in kjv bible the trusted bible

Muslim is an Arabic term, meaning one who does the will of God. I will give you another verse. Jesus said "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

So there, I've shown you two verses from the NT in which Jesus spoke about Muslims.
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God wills that we must refrain from eating pork or blood. If you obey, you're a Muslim. It's that simple.

On a side note, whenever my Chinese friends ask me why we don't eat pork, my answer is always "Because God says don't and God didn't explain why." I will never say pork is dirty coz that is purely conjecture to say that.
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