[Lukongsimi]

Yes, I have been to Makkah and Madinah, the two sacred grounds.

You will not experience peace in a city until you've been to Madinah, the prophet city.

No wonder I saw u in my vision wearing white hat n clothes

[pinkpanther]

People have been praying to Zeus for longer. Does that mean it is true?

The past events is not relevant my friend....i will have a go at you too..5000yrs later another person like you will say " people having been praying to Allah for longer" does it mean it is true?

[Ali Imran]

U don’t have the Holy Spirit like Christians does to teach them the truth
So u need to use pic of man  to calculate how many God there are.
In fact there is only 1 God with the Word n Holy Spirit attached. 3 in 1
Understand?
Doubt so..

I understand what you're saying but it's very contradicting.

When 1 of the 3 said only 1 of the 3 is the true God, you say God is a Trinity contradicts that statement made by 1 of the 3.

[Ali Imran]

The past events is not relevant my friend....i will have a go at you too..5000yrs later another person like you will say " people having been praying to Allah for longer" does it mean it is true?

Ok. Good that we can now throw that argument out. Being older doesn't mean the religion is true.

[Lukongsimi]

I understand what you're saying but it's very contradicting.

When 1 of the 3 said only 1 of the 3 is the true God, you say God is a Trinity contradicts that statement made by 1 of the 3.

Eg u have a body mind n soul, 3 in 1 
the body is the main part to make u move n seen.
Without the body n mind n spirit it’s a dead corpse

[Ali Imran]

No wonder I saw u in my vision wearing white hat n clothes

No hats allowed but yes, we must be in white when we do the pilgrimage routine.

[Ali Imran]

Eg u have a body mind n soul, 3 in 1 
the body is the main part to make u move n seen.
Without the body it’s a dead corpse

But I'm still one person.

The Trinity has 3 persons.

[pinkpanther]

Ok. Good that we can now throw that argument out. Being older doesn't mean the religion is true.

That is right...we focus on religions that has thrive and not collapse

[Ali Imran]

That is right...we focus on religions that has thrive and not collapse

I've just shown our pengyu that Christianity is declining in the West.

Churches are sold to Muslims to be turned into mosques. Islam is thriving in the West.

Why is Chritianity dying in the West? Because of western scholarship of the Bible. Today, we have already made a significant inroads to decipher and study the thousands of Christian manuscripts kept in museums. The picture is amazing and discouraging for Christians. Many have left the faith, like Bart Ehrman, who was a staunch evangelical Christian until he started studying the New Testament in detail.

[pinkpanther]

I've just shown our pengyu that Christianity is declining in the West.

Churches are sold to Muslims to be turned into mosques. Islam is thriving in the West.

Why is Chritianity dying in the West? Because of western scholarship of the Bible. Today, we have already made a significant inroads to decipher and study the thousands of Christian manuscripts kept in museums. The picture is amazing and discouraging for Christians. Many have left the faith, like Bart Ehrman, who was a staunch evangelical Christian until he started studying the New Testament in detail.

I do not care if it is thriving or declining....these are all men's doing..
The most important is to believe in christ.

[Lukongsimi]

No hats allowed but yes, we must be in white when we do the pilgrimage routine.

Why not allowed?

[Hope]

No wonder I saw u in my vision wearing white hat n clothes

If you really saw this,God is showing you a signal.

[Lukongsimi]

But I'm still one person.

The Trinity has 3 persons.

It’s not up to us to pick n choose what u think is correct 
Only at judgement day then know
Talk so much also useless

[Hope]

Yes, I have been to Makkah and Madinah, the two sacred grounds.

You will not experience peace in a city until you've been to Madinah, the prophet city.

Madinah where Jesus will be buried after his second coming

[pinkpanther]

If you really saw this,God is showing you a signal.

Hope is unlike Ali...   Hope doesn't force it down the throat.

[Ali Imran]

It’s not up to us to pick n choose what u think is correct 
Only at judgement day then know
Talk so much also useless

That would be too late.

[Ali Imran]

Madinah where Jesus will be buried after his second coming

Yes, and I'm sure you've been there too. Have you?

[pinkpanther]

That would be too late.

By then you will be dead...

[Ali Imran]

Why not allowed?

Spirituality reason.

[Hope]

Yes, and I'm sure you've been there too. Have you?

Perform Haj in 2007

[pinkpanther]

Ali..pls learn from Hope..
Stop being so whiny and long winded

[Ali Imran]

For the first 1,500 years of Christianity, most Christians didn't read the Bible because they were not allowed. Only high-level priests were allowed to read the Bible. On top of that, it was either in Latin or in Greek so most Christians won't be able to read it anyway.

In the 14th century, the first English translation of the Bible was started by Tyndale but he was persecuted by the church for wanting to translate the Bible into English. He didn't get to produce a Bible like the KJV.

Why did the church fear the masses reading the Bible? I suspect it is because the contradictions will be apparent to the masses and people will begin to question. True enough. People started to question and when no answers can be given, people will lose their faith.

[Ali Imran]

Ali..pls learn from Hope..
Stop being so whiny and long winded

Ok. I will try.

[Lukongsimi]

For the first 1,500 years of Christianity, most Christians didn't read the Bible because they were not allowed. Only high-level priests were allowed to read the Bible. On top of that, it was either in Latin or in Greek so most Christians won't be able to read it anyway.

In the 14th century, the first English translation of the Bible was started by Tyndale but he was persecuted by the church for wanting to translate the Bible into English. He didn't get to produce a Bible like the KJV.

Why did the church fear the masses reading the Bible? I suspect it is because the contradictions will be apparent to the masses and people will begin to question. True enough. People started to question and when no answers can be given, people will lose their faith.

That time got printing machine?
To Write the whole book also takes time

[Hope]

Hope is unlike Ali...   Hope doesn't force it down the throat.

No one is forcing you. He has knowledge in bible.He is educating you because we consider you as “the people of the book”Since Jesus has been mentioned in Quran it is our responsibility to educate you.

Muslim believe people of the book also believe in the same God .We cannot called him as father in the heaven as we believe God didn’t have children .
There are seven levels of hell. People who associate partners with God go to 1st level. We don’t want it happen to you after believing in same God.
If you accept the truth, you don’t become a Malay. You can still be Chinese/Indian.
Allah is not a different God.in Arabic God is called Allah

[Lukongsimi]

That is why I wanted the meet in person, so you can see it in my face and my body language that I am sincere. Also, I will always speak nicely.

A Christian from another forum has dropped by my place for a chat, at least twice. If I am a bad or screaming person, that Christian won't come back to see again.

And I have shown you statistics of the decline of Christianity. If it is the truth, it will always attract people, like Islam.

When a strangers whom never met  says he is nice makes me doubt further

[pinkpanther]

No one is forcing you. He has knowledge in bible.He is educating you because we consider you as “the people of the book”Since Jesus has been mentioned in Quran it is our responsibility to educate you.

Muslim believe people of the book also believe in the same God .We cannot called him as father in the heaven as we believe God didn’t have children .
There are seven levels of hell. People who associate partners with God go to 1st level. We don’t want it happen to you after believing in same God.
If you accept the truth, you don’t become a Malay. You can still be Chinese/Indian.
Allah is not a different God.in Arabic God is called Allah

By your words, all Christians will go to 1st level hell...do you agreed?

[Hope]

Why not allowed?

Prophet Abraham, Ishmael, Muhammad didn’t wear when they performed Pilgrimage.
If wear it becomes a new innovation which is forbidden

[Hope]

By your words, all Christians will go to 1st level hell...do you agreed?

I am not the Judge it is God himself.
Not all the Christian, because some don’t accept Jesus as the son of God.
Anyway you don’t believe in Hell right. So no need to worry if your sure you get the heaven as  promised

[Ali Imran]

That time got printing machine?
To Write the whole book also takes time

That's not the point pengyu.

When you study the Bible, you will lose your faith.