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(31-12-2022, 02:28 AM)Manthink Wrote: May start from a smaller EV since Sodium-ion don't hold as much charge as expensive lithium.
Likely BYD is leaking some info about next year plan.
https://batteriesnews.com/byd-plans-mass...port-says/
PAP was pushing for electric cars
Another 3 years, those vendors who listen
and blindly jump into the bandwagon will die off
All HDB car parks to have at least 3 electric vehicle charging points by 2025 - TODAY (todayonline.com)
Sack half the Mayors & PAP Ministers
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(31-12-2022, 10:34 AM)cityhantam Wrote: Ya lor!
Xinjiang also using "forced labour" lor!
![[Image: 41e584d5-d00c-4705-a442-77dba50f113c.jpeg]](https://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2021/2021-10-17/41e584d5-d00c-4705-a442-77dba50f113c.jpeg)
Very fortunate ppl, the whole word and even sgtalk zwr are very concerned about them
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(31-12-2022, 03:04 PM)Ola Wrote: PAP was pushing for electric cars
Another 3 years, those vendors who listen
and blindly jump into the bandwagon will die off
All HDB car parks to have at least 3 electric vehicle charging points by 2025 - TODAY (todayonline.com)
PAP is planning ahead lah.
You still think SG is going to stay still when rest of the world is moving away from fossil fuel ?
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sodium and lead acidic battery the same
both dont last and low recycle changes
lithium iron last more than 8 years
but different to make and expensive
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(01-01-2023, 08:39 PM)grotesqueness Wrote: sodium and lead acidic battery the same
both dont last and low recycle changes
lithium iron last more than 8 years
but different to make and expensive
Why you like that purposely burst wumao bubble??!
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(01-01-2023, 08:42 PM)kelhot2001 Wrote: Why you like that purposely burst wumao bubble??!
learning from china foreign minister
"spade calling a spade"
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(01-01-2023, 08:42 PM)kelhot2001 Wrote: Why you like that purposely burst wumao bubble??!
Relax lah - Why ur view always tainted by politics when others are also interested in the sodium-based battery tech ?
Did you bothered to read up before posting ?
https://www.uow.edu.au/global-challenges...m-battery/
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(01-01-2023, 08:44 PM)grotesqueness Wrote: learning from china foreign minister
"spade calling a spade"
Ya lor!
Spade of stone age is still a spade lor!
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Why Sodium and not Lithium...?
Let's start with the basics...
https://youtu.be/cHNELRnJ_4Y
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Li vs Na ion batteries...
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(31-12-2022, 07:18 AM)fishbuff Wrote: dark side of current lithium-ion batteries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJ8me22NVs
Indeed - heavy damand on limited resource tend to have bad consequences..So better to use more abundunt sodium as a replacement. CATL had submitted patent for their invention in 2019 and got it in 2021.
https://www.dsf.my/2022/01/catl-sodium-i...gh-patent/
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(01-01-2023, 09:06 PM)Manthink Wrote: Li vs Na ion batteries...
![[Image: IMG_618631.svg]](https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/uploads/IMG_618631.svg)
Thanks for the table as a comparison between the two batteries, it is very informative.......
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(01-01-2023, 09:22 PM)debono Wrote: Thanks for the table as a comparison between the two batteries, it is very informative....... 
You should ask for advice from grotesqueness, the lead-acid battery "expert"!
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(01-01-2023, 09:22 PM)debono Wrote: Thanks for the table as a comparison between the two batteries, it is very informative....... 
Its a matter of individual inquisitiveness. Else how to keep up with much advances nowadays ?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
Challenges to adoption include low energy density and insufficient charge-discharge cycles
sodium low quality battery
CATL force people to use low quality sodium
like the Choa Cheese Pie (CCP) china force their people in to their home during lockdown
the people protested
CATL sodium battery are FAKE NEWS
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(02-01-2023, 12:47 AM)grotesqueness Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
Challenges to adoption include low energy density and insufficient charge-discharge cycles
sodium low quality batteryCATL force people to use low quality sodium
like the Choa Cheese Pie (CCP) china force their people in to their home during lockdown
the people protested CATL sodium battery are FAKE NEWS
Hmmm...Your wiki sources says this:
"
...CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer, starts mass producing in 2022. The technology is unmentioned in a United States Energy Information Administration report on battery storage technologies"
Seems sodium test like sour grapes to some who don't have the technology.
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(02-01-2023, 01:49 AM)Manthink Wrote: Hmmm...Your wiki sources says this:
"...CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer, starts mass producing in 2022. The technology is unmentioned in a United States Energy Information Administration report on battery storage technologies"
Seems sodium test like sour grapes to some who don't have the technology. 
if United States Energy Information Administration does not mention it
it means it is crappy batteries
USA built the world largest rocket china cannot made
CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer is funded by CCP money laundering
no one buy from CATL
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(02-01-2023, 03:12 AM)grotesqueness Wrote: if United States Energy Information Administration does not mention it
it means it is crappy batteries
USA built the world largest rocket china cannot made
CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer is funded by CCP money laundering
no one buy from CATL
Wow!
The grapes are so so sour!
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is this the reason why hk listed ganfeng lithium drop so much these 2 wks.
but this salt lithium does not appear yesterday
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(02-01-2023, 09:03 AM)talky Wrote: is this the reason why hk listed ganfeng lithium drop so much these 2 wks.
but this salt lithium does not appear yesterday
Samsung SDI, a battery and electronic materials manufacturer under Samsung Group, unloaded about 70 percent of its stake in Ganfeng Lithium worth about $189 million, cashing out of the Chinese maker four years since its investment following laws in the U.S. and European Union discriminating battery material sourcing from China.
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What a nice innovation for battery, hope can be cheaper in future.
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(02-01-2023, 03:12 AM)grotesqueness Wrote: if United States Energy Information Administration does not mention it
it means it is crappy batteriesUSA built the world largest rocket china cannot made
CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer is funded by CCP money laundering no one buy from CATL
LOL - your reply exemplifies what Sour Grape test like.
Sadly by u changing your story (which I cancelled out for the benefit of FACT correction) from your Wiki source, does not change the fact the Chinese has patented Sodium-ion battery technology while the US has none.