[lylcnn]

I agree with you. Many of Pritam's replies did not make any sense. I watched the entire video and found many of the replies defying logic. I'll  highlight just a couple (from the COP report).


It's just a couple that I highlighted. There're more. I am quite certain that there's more to it than meets the eye.

I think PS told RK to 'take the truth to the grave' but I don't blame him for it. It's a difficult choice to make.

Notwithstanding (i) RK's lied (ii) RK potentially a racist prick (iii) lie not the most harmful (iv) PAP capitalizing to damage WP (v) WP's reputation needs protection which WP leaders may just be seeking to do that 

However, it's also a possible scenario (i) WP leaders led RK down wrong path , ie took gamble to let her keep silent for episode to blow over (ii) now turn back, deny involvement and make her take 100% blame (iii) WP each protecting own's ass

[Gemstar]

We may have different views about the COP, and how it pan out.  But in WP we have an effective opposition in Parliament.  Therefore we should not kill the goose that lay the golden egg.  If PS lost in the next GE, which I think is still possible, then we are handicapped with the present ruling party....

I don’t believed that WP wil lose the next GE. Or rather, it wil garner even more votes or even more single and GRCs. Together, with PSP prowess and strength, more Oppositions wil get into Parliament. Public can see so many flaws in COP investigations pertaining to questions which are irrelevant and ridiculous.

[Goldmine]

Pritam performed excellently. No panic, always focused and steady. ET was desperately trying to pin him down but never succeeded.  Obviously he was trying to make PS admit his wrong doing and destroy WP. Evil Tong met his match.

PS's only fault is that he made a judgement error on RK. Should have just chop her off and give a press conference straight away. Now his compassion backfired on him. He didn't do any thing wrong or illegal.

Pap by not letting it go, made themselves look bad.  The pettiness of pappies will help WP turn this adversity into an advantage ... again.  Remember AHTC?

I agree with you. I have watch the tape most of it. Its too long. ET kept repeating the same questions hoping to get the desire answers.  Unfortunately for him, PS is firm in his rebuttals and cool till the end of the session.  

[Goldmine]

I don’t believed that WP wil lose the next GE. Or rather, it wil garner even more votes or even more single and GRCs. Together, with PSP prowess and strength, more Oppositions wil get into Parliament.

I have to agree with you. There will be a swing of votes to WP.

[wulala]

I agree with you. Many of Pritam's replies did not make any sense. I watched the entire video and found many of the replies defying logic. I'll  highlight just a couple (from the COP report).


It's just a couple that I highlighted. There're more. I am quite certain that there's more to it than meets the eye.

I think PS told RK to 'take the truth to the grave' but I don't blame him for it. It's a difficult choice to make.

I disagree. PS as a lawyer knows the severity of the case.  But I think more of buying some time to help RS to fix it on her own and sort thing out with her family. as no one knows the truth and no one can represent RK from telling the truth. If panel can assume this and that, allow me to boldly assume RS is a compassionate person, giving some leeway for her subordinate is also logic. Plus facing a panel like this, anyone may be very careful with words.

[Blasterlord2]

I disagree. PS as a lawyer knows the severity of the case.  But I think more of buying some time to help RS to fix it on her own and sort thing out with her family. as no one knows the truth and no one can represent RK from telling the truth. If panel can assume this and that, allow me to boldly assume RS is a compassionate person, giving some leeway for her subordinate is also logic. Plus facing a panel like this, anyone may be very careful with words.

Let's just say that it is not reasonable for a person to not at least ask RK about it after two months she revealed her lie to him, and again not pressed her even after she repeated the lie.  It is even more incredible that his message to her after she repeated the lie is just “Will speak after sitting. Keep Chair and I posted.” This WA message is more like someone who already knew what she will say in the parliament.

It cannot be just compassion. A more logical way is that you will set a date by which she will have to settle it with her family, and to ask her about it when she hasn't. Not to even check with her on this is entirely unbelievable. You think a compassionate person will not even do this?

[Gstalk]

I don’t believed that WP wil lose the next GE. Or rather, it wil garner even more votes or even more single and GRCs. Together, with PSP prowess and strength, more Oppositions wil get into Parliament. Public can see so many flaws in COP investigations pertaining to questions which are irrelevant and ridiculous.

How cu.m there is no COP on the tracetogether fiasco??? No transparency and accountability???


How cu.m?


How cuM?

[Blasterlord2]

How cu.m there is no COP on the tracetogether fiasco??? No transparency and accountability???


How cu.m?


How cuM?

Come on, these are 2 matters of entirely different nature. Can don't let your hatred for the govt cloud your judgement on this?

[RichDad]

Let's just say that it is not reasonable for a person to not at least ask RK about it after two months she revealed her lie to him, and again not pressed her even after she repeated the lie.  It is even more incredible that his message to her after she repeated the lie is just “Will speak after sitting. Keep Chair and I posted.” This WA message is more like someone who already knew what she will say in the parliament.

It cannot be just compassion. A more logical way is that you will set a date by which she will have to settle it with her family, and to ask her about it when she hasn't. Not to even check with her on this is entirely unbelievable. You think a compassionate person will not even do this?

But then the same can be said about the TT fiasco. Why SPF or Shan didn't come out and clarify earlier?

All act blur hoping the truth will not surface... that's politics lah.

[Dan]

Raeesah is a matured adult with 2 children. Will she jump at from her house if told to do so?

[Gstalk]

But then the same can be said about the TT fiasco.  Why SPF or Shan didn't come out and clarify earlier?

All act blur hoping the truth will not surface... that's politics lah.

Yes, they make grave mistakes and they pretend not to know.

[Blasterlord2]

But then the same can be said about the TT fiasco.  Why SPF or Shan didn't come out and clarify earlier?

All act blur hoping the truth will not surface... that's politics lah.

Let's compare the 2 matters objectively then.

In the TT case, whether VB mentioned that the TT can be used by the police or not is actually immaterial. Why is that so? The law already sets the truth. Even if he did not comment, the reality is that the TT can be used by the police. When his comments are in conflict with the law it only shows that he did not check before saying it. There's no need to investigate for any lie because there's no need for any lie in the first place. For example, if someone said that an orange is blue in color, you'd only think that this guy is nuts, but wouldn't think that he's serious about lying, because the whole truth is out there. 

In the RK case, someone lied in the parliament, hence the COP is necessary to investigate about the lie.

[wulala]

Let's just say that it is not reasonable for a person to not at least ask RK about it after two months she revealed her lie to him, and again not pressed her even after she repeated the lie.  It is even more incredible that his message to her after she repeated the lie is just “Will speak after sitting. Keep Chair and I posted.” This WA message is more like someone who already knew what she will say in the parliament.

It cannot be just compassion. A more logical way is that you will set a date by which she will have to settle it with her family, and to ask her about it when she hasn't. Not to even check with her on this is entirely unbelievable. You think a compassionate person will not even do this?

thought the video explained, PS was focusing on another matter when he received the message.  Yes, I think PS may had help or mentor her and PS also admit that the 3 of them knew it already, but its a matter of time RK had to face the music.
As for the duration given to RK, I believe PS weighs her emotion, as this may have some negative repercussion on her family and parent matters etc., 2 months may seems long, but to a person facing the challenge, one will hope the 2 months never end. As for PS, I can only say he may have miss handle the case by allowing the matter to hang in the air but not to the extend of putting the matter to grave as the media already knew it. Anyway, the fault still lie on the liar. She is a sabotage.

[Blasterlord2]

thought the video explained, PS was focusing on another matter when he received the message.  Yes, I think PS may had help or mentor her and PS also admit that the 3 of them knew it already, but its a matter of time RK had to face the music.
As for the duration given to RK, I believe PS weighs her emotion, as this may have some negative repercussion on her family and parent matters etc., 2 months may seems long, but to a person facing the challenge, one will hope the 2 months never end. As for PS, I can only say he may have miss handle the case but not to the extend of putting the matter to grave as the media already knew it. Anyway, the fault still lie on the liar. She is a sabotage.

You know it, and I know it. His replies are just not convincing.

[klat]

When VB lies in ParLeement about the TT, there was not COP??? Was there somebody in the PnP council that teach VB how to answer the fiasco??

What documents they brought to the meeting to teach VB how to answer???

Only apologise and that is it?

[RichDad]

Let's compare the 2 matters objectively then.

In the TT case, whether VB mentioned that the TT can be used by the police or not is actually immaterial. Why is that so? The law already sets the truth. Even if he did not comment, the reality is that the TT can be used by the police. When his comments are in conflict with the law it only shows that he did not check before saying it. There's no need to investigate for any lie because there's no need for any lie in the first place. For example, if someone said that an orange is blue in color, you'd only think that this guy is nuts, but wouldn't think that he's serious about lying, because the whole truth is out there. 

In the RK case, someone lied in the parliament, hence the COP is necessary to investigate about the lie.

Totally disagreed.

The TT issue is very sensitive, people were asking whether it will be used for other purposes for fear of privacy intrusion. VB vehemently said NO. It is only for contact tracing, period. That's immaterial?

Layman like us will not know that the police will have access to the info, even VB didn't know. So how can the police and shan keep quiet? How can this be immaterial? It is a betrayal of our trust. Although VB probably didn't lie, but that was still an untruth that must be corrected asap, correct?

But I agree that RK admitted telling a lie. The lie was that she accompanied someone to the police station when she didn't. Whether the police really mistreated the rape victim or not, no one knows except the people involved.

Also since she admitted she lied and resigned, why is there a need for COP to investigate? Quite obviously they wanted to nail WP. So they dig and dig to try out some shit and RK gave it to them.

[Teeth53]

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[Teeth53]

Totally disagreed.

The TT issue is very sensitive, people were asking whether it will be used for other purposes for fear of privacy intrusion. VB vehemently said NO. It is only for contact tracing, period. That's immaterial?

Layman like us will not know that the police will have access to the info, even VB didn't know. So how can the police and shan keep quiet? How can this be immaterial? It is a betrayal of our trust.  Although VB probably didn't lie, but that was still an untruth that must be corrected asap, correct?

But I agree that RK admitted telling a lie. The lie was that she accompanied someone to the police station when she didn't. Whether the police really mistreated the rape victim or not, no one knows except the people involved.

Also since she admitted she lied and resigned, why is there a need for COP to investigate? Quite obviously they wanted to nail WP. So they dig and dig to try out some shit and RK gave it to them.

A need for COP to investigate???????.

Quite obviously they wanted to nail WP. So they dig and dig to dig  out some shit.

[SGSeniorCitizen1952]

How did PS, SL & FM respond when RK told them that her narrative in parliament on 3 August was untrue?

Which part was untrue? 
1. Was there a rape incident?
2. If so, did RK meet and hear the rape victim's own story?
3. If not, where and who she hear the story from?

This part confirmed untrue:
1. She accompanied the victim to the police station.
2. The rest is untrue.

Anyone, note that she had independent legal advice? 

She knew what she must do but tried to pass the buck to the PS, SL and FM.

[Blasterlord2]

Totally disagreed.

The TT issue is very sensitive, people were asking whether it will be used for other purposes for fear of privacy intrusion. VB vehemently said NO. It is only for contact tracing, period. That's immaterial?

Layman like us will not know that the police will have access to the info, even VB didn't know. So how can the police and shan keep quiet? How can this be immaterial? It is a betrayal of our trust.  Although VB probably didn't lie, but that was still an untruth that must be corrected asap, correct?

But I agree that RK admitted telling a lie. The lie was that she accompanied someone to the police station when she didn't. Whether the police really mistreated the rape victim or not, no one knows except the people involved.

Also since she admitted she lied and resigned, why is there a need for COP to investigate? Quite obviously they wanted to nail WP. So they dig and dig to try out some shit and RK gave it to them.

If you ask a health minister what's the penalty for littering and he told you it's $10, will you think that he's lying? Or that he's merely confused? There's no point in him lying because anyone can check with the spf to find out the truth. There's no need for him to lie.

Or you want a COP to be convened for everything that the minister has spoken unwittingly?

[Huliwang]

Mee-siam mai Hum can be construed as lie or not?.......

[RiseofAsia]

How come VB never ask to resign for TT case? Anyone can enlighten?
Also similiar case, right?

[RichDad]

If you ask a health minister what's the penalty for littering and he told you it's $10, will you think that he's lying? Or that he's merely confused? There's no point in him lying because anyone can check with the spf to find out the truth. There's no need for him to lie.

Or you want a COP to be convened for everything that the minister has spoken unwittingly?

Read properly. I did not say VB lied. I said it was an untruth which is material and which he/they must clarify immediately... as least according to ET's logic.

Why didn't they clarify immediately? If they didnt, then why expect WP to clarify immediately?

I also never said I want cop every time a minister made a mistake.

[*天哥*]

Just remember we are dealing with :

1) Integrity of our MPs and credibility of our Parliament and it includes all Political Parties and the future of our government. (  SOLVED SINCE THE MP ADMITTED AND RESIGNED)

2) Did our Police Mishandled the case ? ( SOLVED SINCE OUR POLICE DID NOT )

3) DID WP LEADERSHIP ASK THE MP TO TAKE IT TO THE GRAVES ? ( NOT YET SOLVED )

This is not about FIXING ANYONE. It is about the FUTURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT. ( WP + PAP + PSP )

[*天哥*]

It is absolutely necessary for this COP to find out the facts as the Parliament sets the laws and hear the voices for everyone in this country. The MP represented the voices and feedback from the grounds.

IF you take lying as trivial matter, how then can the future generations trusted the Parliament anymore ? Where is the integrity of the Parliament anymore ? Or the integrity of the MPs anymore ? You have to get the facts right no matter what.

The Parliament and the MPs solve not only the Covid but every matter in this nation.

The integrity of the Parliament is utmost importance otherwise it will disintegrate like Taiwan Polictics. Hence, THIS LYING MATTER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN COVID, COVID is MOH problem. LYING in PARLIAMENT concerns THE TRUST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT, WP or PAP or PSP.

Once you lost the trust of the people, Our future politics SHALL be like Taiwan now.

Further, I second the COP to get to the bottom of this NO MATTER WHAT at all costs. Because this concern the future of our government. The greatest concern I have is this:

DID WP leadership ask the MP to take the matter to the grave ?

I am entitled to a good fair report. I am watching every single second of COP sessions.

COP better give a good report or I shall TELL LKY and he will rise up from the graves and u shall get it from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMXSLeqFMY

[*天哥*]

Btw my late granny name is KWA GEOK YEE.

https://youtu.be/FwlQVkDrw0E

[*天哥*]

My god mum is TONG SENG CHUN.

https://youtu.be/5c8tvHtt6xw

[*天哥*]

So take heed what u say here.

[debono]

How did PS, SL & FM respond when RK told them that her narrative in parliament on 3 August was untrue?

Which part was untrue? 
1. Was there a rape incident?
2. If so, did RK meet and hear the rape victim's own story?
3. If not, where and who she hear the story from?

This part confirmed untrue:
1. She accompanied the victim to the police station.
2. The rest is untrue.

Anyone, note that she had independent legal advice? 

She knew what she must do but tried to pass the buck to the PS, SL and FM.

Good logic, what you said  makes good sense.  RK must come clean, else the whole of WP credibility hangs on a balance....

[Stoki]

Read properly. I did not say VB lied. I said it was an untruth which is material and which he/they must clarify immediately... as least according to ET's logic.

Why didn't they clarify immediately? If they didnt, then why expect WP to clarify immediately?

I also never said I want cop every time a minister made a mistake.

Why PnP never correct VB immediately when VB said that the TT will not be used by the police? Why so many of them, including the polis  knew that VB is not telling the truth?
Why? I think you all know the snswer.