[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wIuHtpfVEsY?s...-cRZLatMuk

I and my Father are one

[Lukongsimi]

Types of people to let go

https://youtu.be/1fkB5JlBtcQ?si=KjcCRpRgKfTQXkuW

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/buo1gmuU5T4?si=a94W1BHvUVsS19Ol

[S I M T A N]

It is not about earining our way to heaven. It is about obedience to God. You are confusing even yourself. Please clarify. Do you have to obey the law or not?

I think we're still debating about Sola Fide, albeit on a different facet of this hot-button issue. Do you recall us patiently explaining SF to you over the eons, but you kept pooh-poohing everything we said, which was essentially based on Scriptures. You could say debate is a two-way process and disagreeing is fine, but shoving your unbiblical opinions down your interlocutors' throats unceasingly irks them no end and savours of intolerance and bigotry.

Anyway, it's definitely about "earning our way to heaven." Consider how salvation is obtained. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift given by a gracious God to all who receive it by faith. The Qur'an, on the other hand, says you can obtain salvation if you submit yourself to Allah, obey His laws, and your good works out weight your bad works which is, to all intents and purposes, trying to earn your ticket to paradise.

For Christian believers, to seek salvation through good works - the way Muslims do - is a denial that Christ is the only Redeemer and Savior (Gal 2:16) All our efforts will come to nought. The NT makes it painfully clear that our noblest efforts at self-reformation or righteousness fall short of what God's holiness requires. "No flesh shall be justified by the works of the law" (Rom 3:20).

Now, another sticking point. Obedience to God's law is not a simple matter of saying yea or nay. It's a lengthy subject of discussion for another day. Suffice to say, I was disobedient when I lived independently of Christ, but when I returned to His fold I started obeying God to the best of my ability. One thing remains constant: committed followers of Christ will never discard God's laws nor will they regard their salvation of grace as a licence to sin. Since they're redeemed by grace alone, through Christ alone, they must still do good works and obey God's Word. When God issues declarations and commands, then they're absolute. When God mandates what He requires from me, then I had better listen.

[S I M T A N]

I read in the Gospel of how the parents of Prophet John the Baptist, pbut, were obedient to the law perfectly. Luke 1:6

Anyhow, the idea is not about perfection. The law is about obedience to God. How do you show obedience to God? By obeying his commands, ie. doing what God wants you to do and refraining from what God forbids. Everyday you show obedience to men like our government so why not you show the same or even greater obedience to God?

Not only were the parents of John the Baptist obedient to God's laws, spiritual leaders such as Abraham, Nicodemus and Cornelius showed sincere love for God and careful observance of God's laws. Their faith in God and their righteousness, however, were not sufficient for them to secure eternal life, They needed something more - and that something more was the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The consistent message of Jesus, the apostles, and all the NT writers is clear: There's no other name through which we can be saved other than through Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said, "You must be born again" (John 3:7). It's easy to demonstrate from Jesus's evangelistic ministry that He taught sola fide. For example, it was Jesus Himself who stated, "he who hears My Word, and believes .. has passed out of death into life" (John 5:24). It's quite clear Jesus taught justification by faith alone.

What do justification and sanctification mean? Justification means our declared righteousness before God, made possible by Christ's death and resurrection for us. Sanctification means our gradual, growing righteousness, made possible by the Spirit's work in us.

[cheekopekman]

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (Hebrews 13:8 NIV) Remember this truth lah!

[pinkpanther]

Quran chapter 5, verse 5: "Today, all good things have been made lawful to you. The food of the People of the Book is permitted to you, and your food is permitted to them"

Come come come, pork is permissible for all moslems....Allah approved!

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LeeaLJo6tAc?s...gRM7SyA2-h

[Lukongsimi]

“If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me. But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD. And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭16‬:‭29‬-‭35‬ ‭KJV

[Ali Imran]

I think we're still debating about Sola Fide, albeit on a different facet of this hot-button issue. Do you recall us patiently explaining SF to you over the eons, but you kept pooh-poohing everything we said, which was essentially based on Scriptures. You could say debate is a two-way process and disagreeing is fine, but shoving your unbiblical opinions down your interlocutors' throats unceasingly irks them no end and savours of intolerance and bigotry.

Anyway, it's definitely about "earning our way to heaven." Consider how salvation is obtained. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift given by a gracious God to all who receive it by faith. The Qur'an, on the other hand, says you can obtain salvation if you submit yourself to Allah, obey His laws, and your good works out weight your bad works which is, to all intents and purposes, trying to earn your ticket to paradise.

For Christian believers, to seek salvation through good works - the way Muslims do - is a denial that Christ is the only Redeemer and Savior (Gal 2:16) All our efforts will come to nought. The NT makes it painfully clear that our noblest efforts at self-reformation or righteousness fall short of what God's holiness requires. "No flesh shall be justified by the works of the law" (Rom 3:20).

Now, another sticking point. Obedience to God's law is not a simple matter of saying yea or nay. It's a lengthy subject of discussion for another day. Suffice to say, I was disobedient when I lived independently of Christ, but when I returned to His fold I started obeying God to the best of my ability. One thing remains constant: committed followers of Christ will never discard God's laws nor will they regard their salvation of grace as a licence to sin. Since they're redeemed by grace alone, through Christ alone, they must still do good works and obey God's Word. When God issues declarations and commands, then they're absolute. When God mandates what He requires from me, then I had better listen.

Not only were the parents of John the Baptist obedient to God's laws, spiritual leaders such as Abraham, Nicodemus and Cornelius showed sincere love for God and careful observance of God's laws. Their faith in God and their righteousness, however, were not sufficient for them to secure eternal life, They needed something more - and that something more was the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The consistent message of Jesus, the apostles, and all the NT writers is clear: There's no other name through which we can be saved other than through Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said, "You must be born again" (John 3:7). It's easy to demonstrate from Jesus's evangelistic ministry that He taught sola fide. For example, it was Jesus Himself who stated, "he who hears My Word, and believes .. has passed out of death into life" (John 5:24). It's quite clear Jesus taught justification by faith alone.

What do justification and sanctification mean? Justification means our declared righteousness before God, made possible by Christ's death and resurrection for us. Sanctification means our gradual, growing righteousness, made possible by the Spirit's work in us.

Yes, you have explained to me your stand on Sola Fide and I have explained to you why I reject it. In your defence of Sola Fide, you quoted Paul and in my rejection of the same, I quoted the prophets (including Jesus) and the disciple James. You have only Paul on your side while I have the prophets, including Jesus, sent by almighty God to guide mankind. I see you are now trying to pull Jesus to your side. That will be futile. Go ahead and try.

I asked you if you have to obey God's law and you did not give me a straightforward answer. To me, that is as good as saying no. I know why you cannot answer yes or no. The question puts you in yet another dilemma. If you say no to obedience, that means you're in a state of disobedience to the almighty God. If you say yes, that will put you in a difficult spot because of your faith in Sola Fide and your repudiation of the Law.

My opinions are NOT from my own desires. They are indeed biblical. My arguments are for obedience to God. You said you are now obeying God's law. Tell me more. To start, do you observe the dietary law?

[Lukongsimi]

Unbelievable an unbeliever trying to discipline a believer?
Like a step father trying to discipline his step son n at last killed him.
Without Christ u have no life n no life how to discipline others?

Jesus has “the words of eternal life” (John 6:68). Without Him, we would have no clue about how we should walk. We also know that life without the Lord would be a life without forgiveness. The wages of sin is death because sin separates a person from God (Romans 6:23; Isaiah 59:1,2).

[Lukongsimi]

Quiet Liao 
Maybe they got take med lol

[pinkpanther]

Quiet Liao 
Maybe they got take med lol

It is a torture to read the repeat of what the moslem has to say...that is time wasting and he deserves a warning...it seems like he has nothing else to add...

Muhammad uses offensive language, which is why I believe he is unworthy of conveying God's messages.you see I am capable of arguing any point that comes to mind without being limited to specific scripts or materials during a debate.....boring stuff from the moslems

[pinkpanther]

Quiet Liao 
Maybe they got take med lol

Hope knows that the Bible is right...that's why he has remain silent

[Lukongsimi]

Hope knows that the Bible is right...that's why he has remain silent

After multiple devastating earthquakes during their Ramadan period maybe..

[Lukongsimi]

It is a torture to read the repeat of what the moslem has to say...that is time wasting and he deserves a warning...it seems like he has nothing else to add...

Muhammad uses offensive language, which is why I believe he is unworthy of conveying God's messages.you see I am capable of arguing any point that comes to mind without being limited to specific scripts or materials during a debate.....boring stuff from the moslems

Yes very irritating ..
die die want to prove he is on the right path without Christ.

[pinkpanther]

Yes very irritating ..
die die want to prove he is on the right path without Christ.

Just say the Shahada and you are a moslem....so convenient...there is no need to know Islam in details..

Every moslem will go to the heaven....wow! What a gift!

This is indeed the wide gate!

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/xvTsxgTy7fg
Papua New Guinea n china 7.3 earth quakes 1 day ago