[Lukongsimi]

There are so many kinds of Koran being printed out
Which is the original one nobody knows since it have been translated into English

[pinkpanther]

No, it is not compulsory to memorize the entire Quran but all Muslims must memorize like 0.1% of the Quran.

0.1% of the Quran means what? Just memorise the first page or any page will do? Where did you get this from? The prophet?

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/0m-xJd0Dqg0?si=WbnvNPAZ784XmXW7

[pinkpanther]

There are so many kinds of Koran being printed out
Which is the original one nobody knows since it have been translated into English

Yes..there are 26 arabic Quran ...

[pinkpanther]

Scribal.

Scribal errors is very broad 
These errors can include omissions, additions, transpositions, or alterations of the original text.

[Ali Imran]

The recitation can have no mistakes but the book can contain scribble or spelling errors?

Again, scribal.

Anyhow, yes. A printing company can also make mistakes. One time, they had to burn thousands of new Quran because the printing company made a mistake.

Memorizing started from the very beginning, starting from the immediate companions of the Prophet. The companions taught the next generation, who taught the next generation and it continues till today. There is a school in Siglap which provides a certification which states that one has learned the Quran from someone who learned it from someone .... who learned it from the companion of the Prophet. We know all the names of the such people, going back to the time of the companions.

[Ali Imran]

Scribal errors is very broad 
These errors can include omissions, additions, transpositions, or alterations of the original text.

No one dares to add to or remove God's word. 

Scribal errors in the Quranic paradigm are acceptable. We have the memorizers to check the writings of the scribes.

[Ali Imran]

Yes..there are 26 arabic Quran ...

For this, you need to understand the Ahrufs and the Qiraats. I gave you an example earlier, where a verse can be recited as "Owner of the day of Judgement" and "King of the day of Judgement". Such differences were already noted during the time of the Prophet, who told us about why there are such differences. 

I can explain but it will take a long while to type it up so let's just stick to basics.

[Ali Imran]

I'm going to sleep. Good night.

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/rMPatxZOHE0?si=Kq-RLWDk4VWthCn4
😲

[pinkpanther]

I'm going to sleep. Good night.

Good knowledge...some countries read the hafs some read the warsh..While both are widely accepted as valid readings, they differ in aspects like word forms, tenses, and letter choices, particularly in certain verses. 

These differences, though subtle, can alter the nuance and meaning of the verses. 

So which version is the word of God?

[Lukongsimi]

Can’t answer so sleep is the way out.😂

[S I M T A N]

What SimTan does is just defend and defend the scriptures He tends to park the bus, making any Moslem attack ineffective... His approach is dogmatic..he will wear down his Moslem adversary with his writings, lining up numerous quotes that could overwhelm his foe.. 

Rather than initiating attacks on the Moslem faith, Sim’s strategy is to sit back and defend all day suffocating and wearing down his opponents with his style  .... He'll drag them into extra time and ultimately win on penalties.

You've a fertile mind, and you drew an interesting analogy between giving a stout defence of the Christian faith and playing a soccer game ultra-defensively. As an amateur footballer who's played the beautiful game competitively for years on end since NS days, I believe the best defence is a good offence. To this end, a team with a strong running-passing game and able to run rings around its opponents is likely to come up trumps. But I can't discount the possibility of a weaker side edging out a stronger outfit by the skin of their teeth after parking the bus, absorbing relentless pressure and finally wearing opposing players out, just as you envisaged.

As a apologist for the Christian faith, going on the offensive and ask a lot of leading questions is just not my style. It seems like my approach to interactions with the Muslims has been non-confrontational, but when you come to think of it, it actually fell short of Jesus's evangelistic mission. I've on occasion criticized Zed's combative style and attitude.

Scepticism regarding matters of the Christian faith is, of course, nothing new. The Bible mentions many people who had questions and doubts over such matters. The people in Capernaum wanted to see evidence before they would believe, and they asked Jesus, "What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?" (John 6:30). The imprisoned and doubting John the Baptist, whose faith had at one time been so strong, sent 2 messengers to ask Jesus, "Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?" (Luke 7:19). Pontius Pilate questioned Jesus about who He was and then asked, "What is truth?" (John 18:38). Thomas was sceptical of Jesus's resurrection and said, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my fingers into the prints of the nails, and put my hands into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

Jesus did respond to these people who had honest doubts and questions. He didn't condemn them, nor did He exhort them to put away their questions, suppress their doubts, and simply believe. Jesus lovingly and graciously gave them answers and evidence. The Bible says Jesus gave "many convincing proofs" (Acts 1:3). Nowhere in the Gospel do we see Jesus coercing people to believe. "He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God" (Luke 8:1). He simply shared the good news. Jesus doesn't kick doors down and force Himself into a person's life (Rev 3:20). He waits to be received, and allows people to freely choose (Matt 22:3; John 5:39-40) whom they will follow (Matt 23:37; Joshua 24:15). That's a tall order to fill.

[Ali Imran]

Good knowledge...some countries read the hafs some read the warsh..While both are widely accepted as valid readings, they differ in aspects like word forms, tenses, and letter choices, particularly in certain verses. 

These differences, though subtle, can alter the nuance and meaning of the verses. 

So which version is the word of God?

Both are the word of God. Both came through the same messenger, Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

I've shown you an example of the difference. One says God is the King of judgement day and the other says Owner of judgement day. Do they contradict? No they don't.

What you cannot find are contradictions, like Hafs saying we must fast in Ramadan and Warsh saying fasting in Ramadan is foolish. As you already know, you can find such contradictions in the Bible.

[pinkpanther]

Both are the word of God. Both came through the same messenger, Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

I've shown you an example of the difference. One says God is the King of judgement day and the other says Owner of judgement day. Do they contradict? No they don't.

What you cannot find are contradictions, like Hafs saying we must fast in Ramadan and Warsh saying fasting in Ramadan is foolish. As you already know, you can find such contradictions in the Bible.

No. The Bible does not have any contradictions but the Quran has plenty but I will just list one..the creation of man.

While you may accept the Uthmanic codex as the complete version of the Quran..There are key points of contention

Omission of Verses: Some argue that certain verses or sections were omitted during the standardization process, potentially to align with a specific theological interpretation. 

Changes in Order: Others suggest that the order of some verses or surahs may have been altered. 

Authenticity of the Text: The controversy also revolves around the authenticity of the text itself, with some arguing that the Uthmanic codex is not a true reflection of the original revelation.

[Ali Imran]

No. The Bible does not have any contradictions but the Quran has plenty but I will just list one..the creation of man.

In the Bible, we read that Jesus said salvation hinge on, among others, keeping to the Law. We also read that Paul said, the Law is a curse and we don't need to keep to the Law. That is a straight up contradiction, one says keep the law and the other says discard the law.

No, you said the Quran has many contradictions and you only brought up one point, the creation of man. Please show me how the verses about the creation of man is a contradiction.

[pinkpanther]

https://youtu.be/rMPatxZOHE0?si=Kq-RLWDk4VWthCn4
😲

Sam Shamoun is well-versed and knowledgeable in both the Bible and the Quran, including the Hadiths. I enjoy watching his short clips, but I find that his longer videos sometimes reveal a more uncouth side of him.

[Ali Imran]

While you may accept the Uthmanic codex as the complete version of the Quran..There are key points of contention

Omission of Verses: Some argue that certain verses or sections were omitted during the standardization process, potentially to align with a specific theological interpretation. 

Changes in Order: Others suggest that the order of some verses or surahs may have been altered. 

Authenticity of the Text: The controversy also revolves around the authenticity of the text itself, with some arguing that the Uthmanic codex is not a true reflection of the original revelation.

Those are based on the Hadith, where the companions of the prophets were clearing up the confusion. At the end of it all, they all agreed upon the codex the Caliph commissioned.

More importantly, there is not a single contradiction in the content of the Quran.

[pinkpanther]

In the Bible, we read that Jesus said salvation hinge on, among others, keeping to the Law. We also read that Paul said, the Law is a curse and we don't need to keep to the Law. That is a straight up contradiction, one says keep the law and the other says discard the law.

No, you said the Quran has many contradictions and you only brought up one point, the creation of man. Please show me how the verses about the creation of man is a contradiction.

Don jump the gun..we will get to your favourite Paul in a moment..

The Quran mentions different origins for humanity, including "a (mere) clot of congealed blood" (96:2), "sounding clay, from mud molded into shape" (15:26), and "from dust" (3:59). 

There are a few as well. Verse 31:15 suggests believers should "bear them company in this life with justice," while verse 9:23 advises against taking unbelieving fathers and brothers as protectors. 

verses (88:6, 69:36) describe the food of Hell as a foul shrub or pus, while others (37:66) mention the Tree of Zaqqum. 

Incomprehensible Verses:
Some scholars, like Gerd R. Puin, claim that a significant portion of the Quran is not easily understood, and that its claim to be "clear" is inaccurate.

[Ali Imran]

Sam Shamoun is well-versed and knowledgeable in both the Bible and the Quran, including the Hadiths. I enjoy watching his short clips, but I find that his longer videos sometimes reveal a more uncouth side of him.

If he tells you a half-truth, you would not know the other half. And if he tells you a lie, you would not know.

[Ali Imran]

Don jump the gun..we will get to your favourite Paul in a moment..

The Quran mentions different origins for humanity, including "a (mere) clot of congealed blood" (96:2), "sounding clay, from mud molded into shape" (15:26), and "from dust" (3:59). 

How is the description of different stages of the  creation of man a contradiction?

[Ali Imran]

verses (88:6, 69:36) describe the food of Hell as a foul shrub or pus, while others (37:66) mention the Tree of Zaqqum. 

How is that a contradiction? Can both be true? Yes, of course. 

In Paradise, the inhabitants can chat with other inhabitants. They can also chat with their wives. Is that a contradiction?

[pinkpanther]

If he tells you a half-truth, you would not know the other half. And if he tells you a lie, you would not know.

It is easy to tell a lie without referring to quotes...but he will always quote his sources ...do you also do that?

[Ali Imran]

Incomprehensible Verses:
Some scholars, like Gerd R. Puin, claim that a significant portion of the Quran is not easily understood, and that its claim to be "clear" is inaccurate.

A Christian who doesn't understand the Quran, and you call that a contradiction in the Quran?

Really?

[Ali Imran]

It is easy to tell a lie without referring to quotes...but he will always quote his sources ...do you also do that?

If he tells you half-truth, would you know any better?

[Ali Imran]

0.1% of the Quran means what? Just memorise the first page or any page will do? Where did you get this from? The prophet?

Every Muslim must memorize the first chapter of the Quran, which consists of seven verses, because reciting that chapter is a must in our five daily prayers. I'm guessing that is about 0.1% of the Quran.

Everything pertaining to worshipping God we learn from the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

[Ali Imran]

There are so many kinds of Koran being printed out
Which is the original one nobody knows since it have been translated into English

We know. 

We have the originals.

[pinkpanther]

If he tells you half-truth, would you know any better?

The same can be applied to the Imams and moslem apologists, Zakir Naid...basically everyone lah..even you

[Ali Imran]

The same can be applied to the Imams and moslem apologists, Zakir Naid...basically everyone lah..even you

No, not the same. 

I speak about the history of the NT, how it came to be, how the errors got in. I learn all that from Christian scholars. 

You want to critique the Quran, and your source is from a Christian who is a known anti-Islam.

So no, not the same.

[pinkpanther]

We know. 

We have the originals.

Part of the originals were eaten by a sheep