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(2 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote: You're the one claiming that Ishmael worshiped other gods.
But you have nothing to show as proof.
You like making false claims?
If Ishmael set a good example by worshipping Yahweh, would his descendants be worshipping other idols?
Obviously though Jewish writings, he was not worshipping the same God as isaac
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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote: I didn't ask about Ishmaelites. At the advent of Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم, the Ishmaelites were worshipping idols. That is a well-known history.
You said Ishmael worshiped other gods. I want proof of that from the Bible.
Even though the Ishmaelites were not worshipping the true God but His promise to Ishmael still stand..
So Even if you are not worshipping Yahweh...Yahweh's promise to Ishmael's descendants still stand
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(3 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote: Baal is a demon..they worship the devil..Baal is never a warrior
Those idol worshippers sacrificed children to the fire lah!
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(2 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote: If Ishmael set a good example by worshipping Yahweh, would his descendants be worshipping other idols?
Obviously though Jewish writings, he was not worshipping the same God as isaac
Please show where in the Jewish writings which say Prophet Ishmael pbuh was not worshipping the God of Abraham.
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(2 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote: If Ishmael set a good example by worshipping Yahweh, would his descendants be worshipping other idols?
Prophet Moses pbuh left the Israelites for just 40 days and upon his return, he found them worshipping the golden calf.
Would you also say Prophet Moses didn't set a good example?
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(1 hour ago)Ali Imran Wrote: Prophet Moses pbuh left the Israelites for just 40 days and upon his return, he found them worshipping the golden calf.
Would you also say Prophet Moses didn't set a good example?
They the Israelites knew who the real God was and God had a convenant with Isaac...did God punish the Israelites?
For Ishmael, it is different, his descendants did not worship God and they are idols worshippers! They are not part of the main convenant God had with Isaac..
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(1 hour ago)Ali Imran Wrote: Please show where in the Jewish writings which say Prophet Ishmael pbuh was not worshipping the God of Abraham.
Midrash Rabbah (Genesis Rabbah 53:16):
This Midrash discusses
Ishmael and mentions that he was involved in idol worship. It states that he and his descendants worshipped idols and that they were not initially followers of the worship of the one true God.
Example: "And Ishmael dwelled in the presence of his mother Hagar in the land of Egypt and of the Ishmaelites, who worshipped idols."
(Genesis Rabbah 53:16)
Talmud (Sanhedrin 89a):
The Talmud notes that Ishmael's descendants engaged in idol worship, implying that their practices were not initially aligned with monotheism.
It discusses that Ishmael's descendants were known for their idolatry, though this is not a direct condemnation of Ishmael himself.
Midrash Tanchuma (Vayera 11):
It mentions that Ishmael was not a worshipper of the true God initially, but through Abraham's influence, some of his descendants eventually turned towards monotheism.
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(32 minutes ago)pinkpanther Wrote: Midrash Rabbah (Genesis Rabbah 53:16):
This Midrash discusses Ishmael and mentions that he was involved in idol worship. It states that he and his descendants worshipped idols and that they were not initially followers of the worship of the one true God.
Example: "And Ishmael dwelled in the presence of his mother Hagar in the land of Egypt and of the Ishmaelites, who worshipped idols."
(Genesis Rabbah 53:16)
Talmud (Sanhedrin 89a):
The Talmud notes that Ishmael's descendants engaged in idol worship, implying that their practices were not initially aligned with monotheism.
It discusses that Ishmael's descendants were known for their idolatry, though this is not a direct condemnation of Ishmael himself.
Midrash Tanchuma (Vayera 11):
It mentions that Ishmael was not a worshipper of the true God initially, but through Abraham's influence, some of his descendants eventually turned towards monotheism.
Good findings 👍
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(26 minutes ago)Lukongsimi Wrote: Good findings 👍
if he wants to go down the wrong path...we also cannot stop him.
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(7 minutes ago)pinkpanther Wrote: if he wants to go down the wrong path...we also cannot stop him. 
Yap it’s his choice
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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