[Ali Imran]

There is only a few languages Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek that Jesus speak..and it was written in a language that Jesus knew..
That is not an issue....

Denominations are not a problems, they have their own practices just like the sunni and shias..
But the main core teachings of the christian faith remains the same

The point remains. We do not even know in what language Jesus preached so it follows that we cannot be sure of what Jesus preached.

[Ali Imran]

No answer so direct elsewhere?

No, not that. I want to refrain from discussing religion with you because inevitably, the discussion will turn ugly. So, better to avoid discussing sensitive topics with you.

[Ali Imran]

They are ignorance..they are full of themselves only..
They would spat at the church..that kind of attitude never change since day 1...

But compare this ignorant to the moslems who knew who Muhammad was and what did they do to his family?

Were the many prophets including Isaiah and those after him, were they all ignorant and full of themselves too?

[pinkpanther]

The point remains. We do not even know in what language Jesus preached so it follows that we cannot be sure of what Jesus preached.

The point is that the Bible is preserved by God, and it is solely His will that Christianity remains the dominant religion and continues to grow in number. Conversely, the argument suggests that the God of Islam is unable to protect His beloved Jesus's Injil.
So the Islamic God is not so powerful after all and He is either prone to mistakes or He has a beef with Jesus.

[pinkpanther]

Were the many prophets including Isaiah and those after him, were they all ignorant and full of themselves too?

The Israelites were full of themselves...not the prophets

Yes ..according to the Quran, the Jews disbelieve the messengers sent by God and kill them .

You mean you don know? Do you even read your Quran?  Surah Al-Baqarah, ayat 61

[pinkpanther]

No, not that. I want to refrain from discussing religion with you because inevitably, the discussion will turn ugly. So, better to avoid discussing sensitive topics with you.

You should never refrain from anyone who is able to educate or give you good Bible knowledge. Lksm has proven many times with his own findings and knowledge...

The truth will always turn out ugly for one party...better now than latel

[Ali Imran]

The Israelites were full of themselves...not the prophets

Yes ..according to the Quran, the Jews disbelieve the messengers sent by God and kill them .

You mean you don know? Do you even read your Quran?  Surah Al-Baqarah, ayat 61

We are talking about the prophets, why none of them ever taught the Israelites that God is a Trinity and that God would come down as a man and be killed by God's own creation in order to forgive the sins of mankind.

So, why do none of the prophets after Isaiah ever say the suffering servant is going to be God who became a man?

[Ali Imran]

The point is that the Bible is preserved by God, and it is solely His will that Christianity remains the dominant religion and continues to grow in number. Conversely, the argument suggests that the God of Islam is unable to protect His beloved Jesus's Injil.
So the Islamic God is not so powerful after all and He is either prone to mistakes or He has a beef with Jesus.

No, we are not discussing the preservation of the Bible. You said a few days ago that we must listen to Jesus. We do not even know in what language Jesus preached, so it follows that we cannot be sure of what Jesus preached. So how do you listen to Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

No, we are not discussing the preservation of the Bible. You said a few days ago that we must listen to Jesus. We do not even know in what language Jesus preached, so it follows that we cannot be sure of what Jesus preached. So how do you listen to Jesus?

The manuscripts and oral traditions are in Greek..so Jesus could have spoken in Greek..the Islamic manuscripts and oral traditions are in Arabic so do we have the words of Muhammad in Arabic..the answer is yes...

Just because Jesus speaks a few more languages, does that mean the manuscripts or oral traditions are inaccurate? No!

[pinkpanther]

We are talking about the prophets, why none of them ever taught the Israelites that God is a Trinity and that God would come down as a man and be killed by God's own creation in order to forgive the sins of mankind.

So, why do none of the prophets after Isaiah ever say the suffering servant is going to be God who became a man?

jesus fulfilled the prophecy in the book of Isaiah...no one believes him let alone believing in the Trinity. The Trinity was only made clear when the NT was studied in depth..just like no one would think that h2o could co exist in 3 states simultaneously

[Lukongsimi]

No, not that. I want to refrain from discussing religion with you because inevitably, the discussion will turn ugly. So, better to avoid discussing sensitive topics with you.

U know the truth will hurts u 

[Ali Imran]

The manuscripts and oral traditions are in Greek..so Jesus could have spoken in Greek..the Islamic manuscripts and oral traditions are in Arabic so do we have the words of Muhammad in Arabic..the answer is yes...

Just because Jesus speaks a few more languages, does that mean the manuscripts or oral traditions are inaccurate? No!

The peasants in the hamlet where Jesus preached were not learned people. So it is unlikely that Jesus would have preached to them in Greek.

So, which answer did Jesus give to the question of which commandment is the most important one? Is it the one in Mark where the Shema is quoted or the one in Matthew where the Shema is not given?

[Lukongsimi]

We are talking about the prophets, why none of them ever taught the Israelites that God is a Trinity and that God would come down as a man and be killed by God's own creation in order to forgive the sins of mankind.

So, why do none of the prophets after Isaiah ever say the suffering servant is going to be God who became a man?

U didn’t read the whole Bible n u agak agak according to your tots
It’s not accurate !

[Ali Imran]

jesus fulfilled the prophecy in the book of Isaiah...no one believes him let alone believing in the Trinity. The Trinity was only made clear when the NT was studied in depth..just like no one would think that h2o could co exist in 3 states simultaneously

No, Isaiah didn't teach that the suffering servant is God who came down as a man and was killed. No prophet ever taught anything even remotely similar to that.

Similarly the Trinity. No prophet ever taught anything like that, not even Jesus, peace be upon him.

[Ali Imran]

U didn’t read the whole Bible n u agak agak according to your tots
It’s not accurate !

If you can promise me that you will remain civil in the discussion, I will be glad to discuss with you.

[Lukongsimi]

You should never refrain from anyone who is able to educate or give you good Bible knowledge. Lksm has proven many times with his own findings and knowledge...

The truth will always turn out ugly for one party...better now than latel

Imagine it’s live debate I think he will cry 😢 🤣

[Lukongsimi]

If you can promise me that you will remain civil in the discussion, I will be glad to discuss with you.

I didn’t stone u all I did was give you the correct information after u manipulated the Bible 
U can’t accept the truth so surrender ok noted 

[pinkpanther]

The peasants in the hamlet where Jesus preached were not learned people. So it is unlikely that Jesus would have preached to them in Greek.

So, which answer did Jesus give to the question of which commandment is the most important one? Is it the one in Mark where the Shema is quoted or the one in Matthew where the Shema is not given?

Greek is widely spoken...if they cannot understand Greek then Aramaic...can his disciples translate it to Greek easily? Yes..is the meaning lost? No..even people give interview in foreign language but gets translated in English in straits times...is there anything lost?

I could also say that Muhammad speaks many languages too due to his merchant background...was he preaching in Arabic? No one knows

Who says the shema in Matthew is not given? It is express differently

[pinkpanther]

No, Isaiah didn't teach that the suffering servant is God who came down as a man and was killed. No prophet ever taught anything even remotely similar to that.

Similarly the Trinity. No prophet ever taught anything like that, not even Jesus, peace be upon him.

No prophets ever knew Jesus...but the past prophets are pointing towards the coming of the messiah, they do not know the whole story...it was only revealed by the sinless one..and when He reveals so...the world does not believe Him including you

[pinkpanther]

Imagine it’s live debate I think he will cry 😢 🤣

 Debate on the Hadiths..I think he will cry 

[Ali Imran]

Greek is widely spoken...if they cannot understand Greek then Aramaic...can his disciples translate it to Greek easily? Yes..is the meaning lost? No..even people give interview in foreign language but gets translated in English in straits times...is there anything lost?

I could also say that Muhammad speaks many languages too due to his merchant background...was he preaching in Arabic? No one knows

Who says the shema in Matthew is not given? It is express differently

So now you agree that the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospels may not be his actual words but the words of the author who expressed them differently. And Jesus said they didn't understand him correctly and Jesus also said he didn't tell them the full story. 

So we don't really know what Jesus said.

[Ali Imran]

No prophets ever knew Jesus...but the past prophets are pointing towards the coming of the messiah, they do not know the whole story...it was only revealed by the sinless one..and when He reveals so...the world does not believe Him including you

So you agree Isaiah wasn't talking about Jesus since he didn't know Jesus.

[pinkpanther]

So now you agree that the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospels may not be his actual words but the words of the author who expressed them differently. And Jesus said they didn't understand him correctly and Jesus also said he didn't tell them the full story. 

So we don't really know what Jesus said.

They wrote down what Jesus said...the meaning does not get lost...some might not be word for word the same..there is nothing wrong.. Muhammad also have scribes who wrote revelation for him...can we also question the scribes if he understand what Muhammad was saying? Or can we say that we don't really know what Muhammad was saying because most of his revelations are unclear resulting in so many scholars having to come out and interpret as though they received the revelation from Allah directly

You know why I doubt what Muhammad said? If he is smart enough for 20 odd years, he would have taken his scribes along when angel Jibril reveals the revelation directly to him..

[pinkpanther]

So you agree Isaiah wasn't talking about Jesus since he didn't know Jesus.

Of cos Isaiah doesn't have the name....he only foresee the future..but it is Jesus Himself who came forward and declare that He is the one who fulfilled the book of Isaiah...

[Ali Imran]

They wrote down what Jesus said...the meaning does not get lost...some might not be word for word the same..there is nothing wrong.. 

But you said the authors gave their own expressions of what Jesus said. Do you want to change that now and take back what you said earlier?

[Ali Imran]

Of cos Isaiah doesn't have the name....he only foresee the future..but it is Jesus Himself who came forward and declare that He is the one who fulfilled the book of Isaiah...

We're talking about the suffering servant in Isaiah, not the entire book of Isaiah.

Can we now agree that Isaiah wasn't referring to Jesus when he was talking about the suffering servant?

[pinkpanther]

But you said the authors gave their own expressions of what Jesus said. Do you want to change that now and take back what you said earlier?

Most of them are literally word for word what Jesus said...some sentences might be express differently but the meaning is not lost...do you expect his disciples to go running to Him and ask Jesus to repeat what he said again and again? It would be hilarious isn't it...the authors are in line with what Jesus said and there are no contradictions...it's just a matter of expression.

[Ali Imran]

Most of them are literally word for word what Jesus said...some sentences might be express differently but the meaning is not lost...do you expect his disciples to go running to Him and ask Jesus to repeat what he said again and again? It would be hilarious isn't it...the authors are in line with what Jesus said and there are no contradictions...it's just a matter of expression.

Is there a way to know which verses contain the exact words of Jesus and which ones were words of the authors who expressed what Jesus said using their own words?

[pinkpanther]

We're talking about the suffering servant in Isaiah, not the entire book of Isaiah.

Can we now agree that Isaiah wasn't referring to Jesus when he was talking about the suffering servant?

Ok..then who?The NT consistently links the Suffering Servant to Jesus, emphasizing how his death and resurrection fulfilled these prophecies.

[Ali Imran]

Ok..then who?The NT consistently links the Suffering Servant to Jesus, emphasizing how his death and resurrection fulfilled these prophecies.

We can refer to Jewish scholars to know who the suffering servants mentioned by Isaiah.