Scripture readings for Christmas

(29-12-2024, 01:29 PM)Hope Wrote:  How much should you drink to get drunk?

No standard?

Some people will not get drunk even after No of shots .Some people get drunk with one shot.

To drink wine does not mean u have to get drunk to prove that it can make u drunk.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 10:14 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  What about when he was a baby? He depended on others to feed him and wash him after he soiled himself. Is that God to you?

U mean when u r a baby u fed n cleaned yourself?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 12:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus is God in human flesh...

Allah might be Jesus...who is the first and the last in the Quran?
Guess what...who is the first and the last in the Bible? Big Grin

Jesus is Allah’s creation like any other human.

Jesus is not God.
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(29-12-2024, 02:08 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U mean when u r a baby u fed n cleaned yourself?

Of course not. I was fed and cleaned by my parents. I was dependent on them. But you believe God was a baby at one time and needed to be taken care of. 

Who made you believe such about God? Not Jesus. Not the disciples. So who? You don't know but yet you just believe.
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(29-12-2024, 12:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Saint Michael is an archangel, a spiritual warrior in the battle of good versus evil. He is considered a champion of justice, a healer of the sick, and the guardian of the Church. In art Saint Michael is depicted with a sword, a banner, or scales, and is often shown vanquishing Satan in the form of a dragon....

So when archangel Michael become in charge of weather forecast?  Big Grin


in Islam , Believing in angels are one of the sixth articles of faith.Angels are made of lights . They have been created before humans (Mud)and Jinn (fire).Both Angels and Jinn are part of unseen world.Angels are neither male nor female.They have wings.They don’t eat food.They can travel faster than speed of light.

Main Angles Names 

1)Jibril ( Gabriel)
   Role-Communicate between Allah ,Messengers and Prophets 

2)Mikaeel (Michael)
    Role-Weather and Natural  forces 

3)Israfil (Raphael)
    Role-Blowing trumpet 

4)Rakib.    (5)Atid 
   Role -Recording humans deeds 

6)Azrail
Role-Taking the soul 

7)Munker (8)Nakir
Role-Questioning dead 

9)Malik 
Role-Hell gate keeper 

10)Ridhwan
Role-Heaven gate keeper 

Type of  other angels 

1)Carrying Allah’s throne 
2)Glorifying Allah night and day
3)Guarding human
4)Recording human’s deed
5)fighting in battle 
6)Harut and Marut 
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(29-12-2024, 02:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Of course not. I was fed and cleaned by my parents. I was dependent on them. But you believe God was a baby at one time and needed to be taken care of. 

Who made you believe such about God? Not Jesus. Not the disciples. So who? You don't know but yet you just believe.

Same like u believe your parents are your parents 
I don’t because I don’t know them.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 12:56 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  In the Quran, specifically in Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:116), there is a verse in which Allah questions Jesus about whether he proclaimed to people that he, Mary, and Allah were a trinity. This is often interpreted as a rejection of any association of Jesus or Mary with the divine nature of God.

It has always been the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Trinity.....How did Muhammad get this one wrong....haiya! Did he check with those who have read before him? If this is wrong then the Quran cannot be The Word Of God


“And 
˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.”Quran 5:116


Members of some Christian traditions pray to Mary, the mother of Jesus, including: 
  • Catholics: Pray "to" Mary, asking for grace and love through her intercession. The Hail Mary is a common prayer to Mary.
  • Orthodox Christians: Pray "to" Mary.
  • High Church Lutherans: Pray to Mary.
  • Anglo-Catholics: Pray to Mary.
  • Oriental Orthodox: Pray to Mary.
Anglicans tend to pray "with" Mary, asking that they may bring birth to God's word in the world. 



Some say that Mary is a model of faith and a true disciple. Others say that Mary is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints
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(29-12-2024, 01:46 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Didn’t pink answered you?
From goggle lah

He behaves like a scholar in Christianity and Islam 😂
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(29-12-2024, 02:22 PM)Hope Wrote:  Jesus is Allah’s creation like any other human.

Jesus is not God.

Jesus is real...Allah is not  Smile
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(29-12-2024, 01:59 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  To drink wine does not mean u have to get drunk to prove that it can make u drunk.

Do you mean Christian drink only wine?

Who drinks Rum, Vodka,Brandy,Gin, Whiskey,Tequila,Beer,Absinthe,Ciders,Liquor,Liquer,Sake, Meads,Fermented drinks,Vermouth,Drembule,Ethanol, Methanol,Everclear?
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(29-12-2024, 02:29 PM)Hope Wrote:  
“And 
˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.”Quran 5:116


Members of some Christian traditions pray to Mary, the mother of Jesus, including: 
  • Catholics: Pray "to" Mary, asking for grace and love through her intercession. The Hail Mary is a common prayer to Mary.
  • Orthodox Christians: Pray "to" Mary.
  • High Church Lutherans: Pray to Mary.
  • Anglo-Catholics: Pray to Mary.
  • Oriental Orthodox: Pray to Mary.
Anglicans tend to pray "with" Mary, asking that they may bring birth to God's word in the world. 



Some say that Mary is a model of faith and a true disciple. Others say that Mary is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints

All the groups that you mentioned knew that Mary wasn't a part of the Trinity...so I don know which group of Christians influence Muhammad to write this falsehood that Mary is part of the Trinity.. 

He got it wrong big time!!
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(29-12-2024, 02:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus is real...Allah is not  Smile
Do you mean Jesus is real Human?
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(29-12-2024, 02:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  All the groups that you mentioned knew that Mary wasn't a part of the Trinity...so I don know which group of Christians influence Muhammad to write this falsehood that Mary is part of the Trinity.. 

He got it wrong big time!!

He didn’t write anything. This verse is from lord of the worlds.

Do you confirm that Christian don’t worship Mary?


https://youtu.be/plbH3g406lc?si=S9H4wjtT2fOaxPKY


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(29-12-2024, 02:41 PM)Hope Wrote:  Do you mean Christian drink only wine?

Who drinks Rum, Vodka,Brandy,Gin, Whiskey,Tequila,Beer,Absinthe,Ciders,Liquor,Liquer,Sake, Meads,Fermented drinks,Vermouth,Drembule,Ethanol, Methanol,Everclear?

I don’t drink any types of liquor 
U can mention so many types of liquor I m not familiar with, are  u r a drinker?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 02:32 PM)Hope Wrote:  He behaves like a scholar in Christianity and Islam 😂

.No, some people attend churches or mosques without being very familiar with the scriptures. Engaging in discussions like this can be more beneficial than participating in Bible studies or Islamic classes....plus it is free and we get to insult one another...what more to expect? Big Grin
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(29-12-2024, 02:32 PM)Hope Wrote:  He behaves like a scholar in Christianity and Islam 😂

Maybe he is one.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 02:45 PM)Hope Wrote:  He didn’t write anything. This verse is from lord of the worlds.

Do you confirm that Christian don’t worship Mary?

Your question should be : Is Mary part of the Trinity?
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(29-12-2024, 02:47 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  I don’t drink any types of liquor 
U can mention so many types of liquor I m not familiar with, are  u r a drinker?

I am asking about Christian. Are they allowed to drink all these types of drinks?
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(29-12-2024, 02:47 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  I don’t drink any types of liquor 
U can mention so many types of liquor I m not familiar with, are  u r a drinker?

Got lah...during Sunday Mass.. they give you a small cup of red wine maybe only a few drops only.. and one small bread
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(29-12-2024, 02:53 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Got lah...during Sunday Mass.. they give you a small cup of red wine maybe only a few drops only.. and one small bread
Right..
But some are Ribena

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 02:24 PM)Hope Wrote:  in Islam , Believing in angels are one of the sixth articles of faith.Angels are made of lights . They have been created before humans (Mud)and Jinn (fire).Both Angels and Jinn are part of unseen world.Angels are neither male nor female.They have wings.They don’t eat food.They can travel faster than speed of light.

Main Angles Names 

1)Jibril ( Gabriel)
   Role-Communicate between Allah ,Messengers and Prophets 

2)Mikaeel (Michael)
    Role-Weather and Natural  forces 

3)Israfil (Raphael)
    Role-Blowing trumpet 

4)Rakib.    (5)Atid 
   Role -Recording humans deeds 

6)Azrail
Role-Taking the soul 

7)Munker (8)Nakir
Role-Questioning dead 

9)Malik 
Role-Hell gate keeper 

10)Ridhwan
Role-Heaven gate keeper 

Type of  other angels 

1)Carrying Allah’s throne 
2)Glorifying Allah night and day
3)Guarding human
4)Recording human’s deed
5)fighting in battle 
6)Harut and Marut

There is no mention of Jinn in the torah and Gospel...so why does Allah find it important to address this issue? jinn was mentioned plenty of times in the Quran and hadith.,,why need to talk about them?
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(29-12-2024, 02:53 PM)Hope Wrote:  I am asking about Christian. Are they allowed to drink all these types of drinks?

Christian,Muslim any religion if they want to drink such liquors can u stop them?
But So far I never came across a drunkard Christian.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 02:25 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Same like u believe your parents are your parents 
I don’t because I don’t know them.

Ok. If you want to believe that a baby who must be fed and cleaned is God, that's up to you. I will just keep on telling you that you are wrong. You don't know who told you to believe that God is a baby whose life is dependent on others but you just believe.
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The angel told Mary that she would have a son, whom she was to name Jesus. The angel said, “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High God.”

Of cos baby Jesus need to be fed and wait for his time!!
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(29-12-2024, 03:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ok. If you want to believe that a baby who must be fed and cleaned is God, that's up to you. I will just keep on telling you that you are wrong. You don't know who told you to believe that God is a baby whose life is dependent on others but you just believe.

N u believe the Koran was sent by Gabril to Muh?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 03:38 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  N u believe the Koran was sent by Gabril to Muh?

Yes, I believe that and we have all the records preserved. We know the names of the first generation of Hafiz (memorizers of the Quran) and the following 3 generations. We know their names, their families, their jobs, etc. We have extensive records, which gives us certainty in our faith.

As for the NT, we don't even know who wrote it, or who made the changes, or how many times it was changed. More importantly, Jesus wasn't God in the beginning but his status was elevated and eventually, he became God. How do we know that? Because of the many ecumenical councils held by the early Christians in the first century, and what was discussed by the councils.
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Several Sunni scholars, such as Ibn Qutaybah, Ali Ibn Burhanuddin al-Halabi, Ibne Abi-al-Hadeed and Ibne Manzur, reported that there were several leading Sahaba among those who called upon Uthman to step down for reasons such as nepotism and profligacy

It is said that Ibn Mas'ud was displeased by the finished product; in particular: That he accused Uthman's scribes of adding three extra suras (1, 113 and 114) that had never been part of the original, and of making many other small changes to the text.

Corrupted and preserved! Lol
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-12-2024, 02:53 PM)Hope Wrote:  I am asking about Christian. Are they allowed to drink all these types of drinks?

I only drink wine during Holy Communion Service lah! Big Grin The wine is symbolic of the blood of Jesus Christ shed on the cross for all mankind including you and me lah! "Take and drink in remembrance of Me." Jesus said that lah! Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness lah! Jesus did it once and for all as the Passover Lamb had been sacrificed lah! The wrath of God ceased because of Jesus' blood lah! The bread is symbolic of the body of Jesus broken for us lah!
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(29-12-2024, 06:22 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  I only drink wine during Holy Communion Service lah! Big Grin The wine is symbolic of the blood of Jesus Christ shed on the cross for all mankind including you and me lah! "Take and drink in remembrance of Me." Jesus said that lah! Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness lah! Jesus did it once and for all as the Passover Lamb had been sacrificed lah! The wrath of God ceased because of Jesus' blood lah! The bread is symbolic of the body of Jesus broken for us lah!

Well explain lah.. Clapping
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