[cheekopekman]

I never say lah...the Quran says so 

Are you a Christian or Muslim leh?

[pinkpanther]

Are you a Christian or Muslim leh?

I am a Christian assisting my Muslim brothers in understanding the contradictions of the Quran and hope that they turn to Christ eventually lah 

[cheekopekman]

I am a Christian assisting my Muslim brothers in understanding the contradictions of the Quran and hope that they turn to Christ eventually lah 

Make sure you don't get misled by the Quran lah!  You must stand firm on the Bible lah!

[pinkpanther]

Make sure you don't get misled by the Quran lah!  You must stand firm on the Bible lah!

No 走火入魔 lah

[pinkpanther]

Make sure you don't get misled by the Quran lah!  You must stand firm on the Bible lah!

This statement will make your moslem bro come and disturb you later lah

[S I M T A N]

I am a Christian assisting my Muslim brothers in understanding the contradictions of the Quran and hope that they turn to Christ eventually lah 

Make sure you don't get misled by the Quran lah!  You must stand firm on the Bible lah!

Some time back, I was taken aback when a Christian pastor said in a published interview that he told his congregation "we should embrace our Muslim brothers and sisters. We ought to pray for them and do everything we can to introduce them to faith in Jesus Christ."

"Are you saying we should proselytize them?" the interviewer asked. "Absolutely! You have to tell the truth. And the truth is that Islam is a false religion, built on a false book, written by a false prophet," the pastor replied bluntly. I then came to the realization that the most loving thing we can do for our unbelieving forum denizens - for anyone - is to clearly communicate the reality of salvation through Christ.

Pinkpanther, as you can see, is always ready to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. Being conversant with the doctrinal differences between both faiths has stood him in good stead when trying to prove the falsities of the Islamic creeds. As Bible-believing Christians, we must be prepared and willing to share the exclusive gospel to a lost world.

[S I M T A N]

The angel told me in a cave at Bt Timah hill that BTC gg to 1m!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

buy buy or bye bye.

You may feel like a million bucks after getting your BTO flat, but never in a million years did I think that all the money, comforts, and pleasures in the world - our efforts to re-create a paradise for ourselves - are able to fulfill us like love can. This is a confirmation of my intuition that family and relationships are a greater blessing and provide greater satisfaction than anything money can buy. Good health is also more fundamental to happiness than wealth, as most rich people will tell you when their health has broken down.

[cheekopekman]

Some time back, I was taken aback when a Christian pastor said in a published interview that he told his congregation "we should embrace our Muslim brothers and sisters. We ought to pray for them and do everything we can to introduce them to faith in Jesus Christ."

"Are you saying we should proselytize them?" the interviewer asked. "Absolutely! You have to tell the truth. And the truth is that Islam is a false religion, built on a false book, written by a false prophet," the pastor replied bluntly. I then came to the realization that the most loving thing we can do for our unbelieving forum denizens - for anyone - is to clearly communicate the reality of salvation through Christ.

Pinkpanther, as you can see, is always ready to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. Being conversant with the doctrinal differences between both faiths has stood him in good stead when trying to prove the falsities of the Islamic creeds. As Bible-believing Christians, we must be prepared and willing to share the exclusive gospel to a lost world.

I don't intent to offend anyone lah!  If I did I apologise lah! I just quote the Bible verses as I have read lah! Believe or not up to them lah! I'm lousy in debates and arguments lah! People said I blindly believe the Bible so be it lah! Pinkpanther is a good brother lah!

[cheekopekman]

This statement will make your moslem bro come and disturb you later lah

Jesus said that the world hates us Christians lah!  So be prepared for it lah!

[cheekopekman]

No 走火入魔 lah

Good lah!  You cannot love God and Satan together lah!

[Ali Imran]

Jesus said that the world hates us Christians lah!  So be prepared for it lah!

At the time of Jesus, peace be upon him, his followers were not known as Christians. There are no records of Jesus ever mentioning the word "Christians". 

So you're wrong to say that. But yes, the early followers of the son of Mary were indeed hated and persecuted. They were thrown into pits of fire and eaten by lions.

[Ali Imran]

Jesus said that the world hates us Christians lah!  So be prepared for it lah!

Is that true today?

I don't see people hating Christians at a society level, except in Israel.

[pinkpanther]

Acts 26:28

28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” 29 Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.

1 Peter 4:16 

 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name

1 Peter 2:21
21For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his footsteps. 22“He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.”

[Ali Imran]

We know that the Bible has been translated into lots of different languages throughout the centuries. However, the text of the Bible has been accurately preserved all the way through.

Firstly, we've plenty of manuscript evidence, both partial or complete handwritten manuscript copies of the Bible, some dating as back as the 3rd century BC. These manuscripts have allowed textual critics and scholars to verify the fact that the Bible we have today is the same Bible the early church had.

Second, we also have the writings of the church fathers, or leaders in the early church. In their commentaries on the Bible as well as in their letters to other churches, these men quoted the NT Scriptures alone countless times. Their quotations have allowed scholars to reconstruct 99.86% of the NT. There are only 11 verses in the NT which the church fathers obviously never cited.

These two evidences - the manuscript evidence and the writings of the church fathers - verify conclusively that the original text of the Bible has been accurately preserved. You can be absolutely confident that God, who inspired the men to pen the words of the Bible, saw to it that none of the inspired writings were lost. All of the NT is equally inspired (a word meaning "God breathed") and is just as authoritative as the OT Scriptures. (a word meaning "writings) We'd be foolish to think that an all-knowing, all-powerful God could lose track of books He intended to put in the Bible.

Are you interested in the scholarships on the corruption in the New Testament? Or do you reject the notion of corruption altogether?

[pinkpanther]

Some time back, I was taken aback when a Christian pastor said in a published interview that he told his congregation "we should embrace our Muslim brothers and sisters. We ought to pray for them and do everything we can to introduce them to faith in Jesus Christ."

"Are you saying we should proselytize them?" the interviewer asked. "Absolutely! You have to tell the truth. And the truth is that Islam is a false religion, built on a false book, written by a false prophet," the pastor replied bluntly. I then came to the realization that the most loving thing we can do for our unbelieving forum denizens - for anyone - is to clearly communicate the reality of salvation through Christ.

Pinkpanther, as you can see, is always ready to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. Being conversant with the doctrinal differences between both faiths has stood him in good stead when trying to prove the falsities of the Islamic creeds. As Bible-believing Christians, we must be prepared and willing to share the exclusive gospel to a lost world.

The discussion will be engaging and interesting for both sides  if both parties cross examine each other's scriptures rather than one side simply attacking the other...It’s not always enjoyable to be the one responsible for providing most of the explanations

this thread will hopefully provide a meaningful resource for current and future readers, offering insights that can stimulate thought and perhaps draw them closer to the truth.

[pinkpanther]

I don't intent to offend anyone lah!  If I did I apologise lah! I just quote the Bible verses as I have read lah! Believe or not up to them lah! I'm lousy in debates and arguments lah! People said I blindly believe the Bible so be it lah! Pinkpanther is a good brother lah!

Cheekopekman's faith in Christ is unwavering and direct, much like brothers SimTan and Lksm who  will ardently defend the Christian faith without engaging in Islamic matters..... As the saying goes, the best offense is a good defense.

[Ali Imran]

Some time back, I was taken aback when a Christian pastor said in a published interview that he told his congregation "we should embrace our Muslim brothers and sisters. We ought to pray for them and do everything we can to introduce them to faith in Jesus Christ."

"Are you saying we should proselytize them?" the interviewer asked. "Absolutely! You have to tell the truth. And the truth is that Islam is a false religion, built on a false book, written by a false prophet," the pastor replied bluntly. I then came to the realization that the most loving thing we can do for our unbelieving forum denizens - for anyone - is to clearly communicate the reality of salvation through Christ.

Pinkpanther, as you can see, is always ready to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. Being conversant with the doctrinal differences between both faiths has stood him in good stead when trying to prove the falsities of the Islamic creeds. As Bible-believing Christians, we must be prepared and willing to share the exclusive gospel to a lost world.

If you show me one, just one, false Islamic creed, I will stop being a Muslim immediately.

The Islamic creed for faith are:

1. One God
2. Judgement day
3. Revelations (scriptures like Torah, Injeel, Quran)
4. Angels
5. Prophets

We believe in those. Tell me which one is false.

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus said that the world hates us Christians lah!  So be prepared for it lah!

Jesus said 
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV

[Ali Imran]

Jesus said 
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV

Yes, I can believe Jesus said that and history has shown us that. The early followers of Jesus were indeed persecuted and hated. 

Now, who were they, and who were the people who persecuted and hated them?

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus tells of a farmer who sows seed indiscriminately. Some seed falls on the path (wayside) with no soil, some on rocky ground with little soil, some on soil which contains thorns, and some on good soil.

[Lukongsimi]

Yes, I can believe Jesus said that and history has shown us that. The early followers of Jesus were indeed persecuted and hated. 

Now, who were they, and who were the people who persecuted and hated them?

Anti christ who else?

[Ali Imran]

Anti christ who else?

Let me ask again.

Who were the early followers of Jesus pbuh and who were the people who persecuted them for the beliefs?

[pinkpanther]

Hello...why only 5 articles of faith? Should be 6 articles of faith!..you left out no. 6.believe in fate.....

1 Belief in the Oneness of God. ...2 Belief in the Angels of God. ...3 Belief in the Revelations (Books) of God. ...4 Belief in the Prophets of God. ...5 Belief in the Day of Judgment. ...6 Belief in Premeasurement (Qadar)

For that mistake,,,you are not worthy of being a moslem lah

[pinkpanther]

Qadar (Divine Decree): Belief in the divine decree of Allah, that everything is predetermined by Allah and that humans have free will to make choices.

The 6th article of faith is the most controversial....how can you have free will if Allah already predestined your fate?

[cheekopekman]

At the time of Jesus, peace be upon him, his followers were not known as Christians. There are no records of Jesus ever mentioning the word "Christians". 

So you're wrong to say that. But yes, the early followers of the son of Mary were indeed hated and persecuted. They were thrown into pits of fire and eaten by lions.

Believers and followers of Jesus Christ are called Christians lah!  The Romans persecuted and tortured millions of Christians under the Emperor Nero lah!

[cheekopekman]

Is that true today?

I don't see people hating Christians at a society level, except in Israel.

In China, churches are blown up and crosses are destroyed and many Christians are tortured to death lah!

[cheekopekman]

Cheekopekman's faith in Christ is unwavering and direct, much like brothers SimTan and Lksm who  will ardently defend the Christian faith without engaging in Islamic matters..... As the saying goes, the best offense is a good defense.

The Bible says to stand firm in the Lord lah!

[Ali Imran]

In China, churches are blown up and crosses are destroyed and many Christians are tortured to death lah!

If that is true, do you know why churches are blown up and Christians tortured to death?

[pinkpanther]

Qadar (Divine Decree): Belief in the divine decree of Allah, that everything is predetermined by Allah and that humans have free will to make choices.

The 6th article of faith is the most controversial....how can you have free will if Allah already predestined your fate?

The Hadith suggests that Allah determines whether a person will go to heaven or hell even before they are born, while they are still in their mother's womb. How does this align with the concept of free will?

Additionally, another Hadith states that there was a man who led a life of good deeds and was on the brink of paradise, but then Allah willed him to commit wrongful acts, ultimately sending him to hell....

[Ali Imran]

Believers and followers of Jesus Christ are called Christians lah!  The Romans persecuted and tortured millions of Christians under the Emperor Nero lah!

You said "Jesus said that the world hates Christians". I was correcting you on that small factual error. Jesus never said Christians. Jesus didn't invent Christianity.

Your religion, Christianity, the doctrines and tenets like the Trinity or the atonement, didn't come from Jesus. So you cannot call yourself the followers of Christ.