[Lukongsimi]

Let me ask again.

Who were the early followers of Jesus pbuh and who were the people who persecuted them for the beliefs?

Didn’t u mentioned early people all are moslems ?
So Christians were persecuted by who?

[pinkpanther]

The Quran mentions 32 times on the topic of Jinns....why isn't it on the article of faith besides prophets and angels?

Hello Hope....is it 5 articles of faith as your companion has pen out or is there an extra article of faith that we don know....with no clarification, we will deem it as corruption of the book

[Ali Imran]

Didn’t u mentioned early people all are moslems ?
So Christians were persecuted by who?

Any who submits their will to the almighty God is a Muslim. That is the definition of a Muslim. Jesus explicitly said, according to the book of Gospels, that only Muslims will enter the kingdom of God, aka Paradise.

How did some of the known early Christians go extinct?

[cheekopekman]

You said "Jesus said that the world hates Christians". I was correcting you on that small factual error. Jesus never said Christians. Jesus didn't invent Christianity.

Your religion, Christianity, the doctrines and tenets like the Trinity or the atonement, didn't come from Jesus. So you cannot call yourself the followers of Christ.

I believe in Jesus Christ and have accepted Him as my Saviour and Lord of my life so I'm a born again Christian saved by grace lah!  Whatever you said of me doesn't matter lah! "But I know whom I have believeth and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day!"

[pinkpanther]

Sukyo Mahikari pics of believers falling face down and prostrate to one God...

Their dojo is in Geylang.....maybe you can call them Moslems as well..
Or maybe Islam branches out from Mahikari

[Ali Imran]

I believe in Jesus Christ and have accepted Him as my Saviour and Lord of my life so I'm a born again Christian saved by grace lah!  Whatever you said of me doesn't matter lah! "But I know whom I have believeth and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day!"

I didn't say anything of you but your religion.

What you believe didn't come from Jesus. The Trinity, for example, was finally formulated 300+ years after Jesus. That is why the early Church fathers didn't once mention anything about the Trinity because it wasn't formulated yet. Ergo, the Trinity wasn't a teaching of Jesus because of that.

I didn't get personal with you. I'm talking purely academically.

[cheekopekman]

I didn't say anything of you but your religion.

What you believe didn't come from Jesus. The Trinity, for example, was finally formulated 300+ years after Jesus. That is why the early Church fathers didn't once mention anything about the Trinity because it wasn't formulated yet. Ergo, the Trinity wasn't a teaching of Jesus because of that.

I didn't get personal with you. I'm talking purely academically.

Thank you for not angry with me lah!

[Ali Imran]

Thank you for not angry with me lah!

You are a friend, even though you think I am from the devil who is trying to mislead you. 

[Ali Imran]

I believe in Jesus Christ and have accepted Him as my Saviour and Lord of my life so I'm a born again Christian saved by grace lah!  Whatever you said of me doesn't matter lah! "But I know whom I have believeth and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day!"

Do you know who invented this "born-again Christian" understanding? Or when that understanding first came about?

[cheekopekman]

You are a friend, even though you think I am from the devil who is trying to mislead you. 

I didn't say that lah!  We have many differences but you're still my friend lah!

[cheekopekman]

Do you know who invented this "born-again Christian" understanding? Or when that understanding first came about?

May you enlighten me?

[Ali Imran]

I didn't say that lah!  We have many differences but you're still my friend lah!

Yup, you didn't say it. That's why I said "you think".

Yes, you're a friend. We've known each other for many years already.

[Ali Imran]

May you enlighten me?

The term "born again" became popular in the late 1960s and is associated with the evangelical Christian renewal. - I c/p that from google AI.

You should know what you believe. Don't just anyhow believe. You must ask questions.

[pinkpanther]

Same lah..Tawhid was never mentioned and taught by Muhammad. It was never in the Quran...it was after Muhammad's death that they came up with the word Tawhid..

Why compare Trinity with tawhid


As an essential aspect of Islamic belief, Tawhid was formally constructed and elaborated upon by Islamic scholars in the centuries following Muhammad's death, particularly during the early Islamic period when scholars like Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyyah contributed to its theological discourse.

Thus, while the concept in its essential form was established with the advent of Islam in the 7th century CE, its interpretation and understanding have continued to evolve throughout Islamic history

[Lukongsimi]

Any who submits their will to the almighty God is a Muslim. That is the definition of a Muslim. Jesus explicitly said, according to the book of Gospels, that only Muslims will enter the kingdom of God, aka Paradise.

How did some of the known early Christians go extinct?

The whole book of bible how come no religion such as Muslim?

Only the word Christian is found
The word Christian is used three times in the New Testament: Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28, and 1 Peter 4:16. The original usage in all three New Testament verses reflects a derisive element in the term Christian to refer to followers of Christ who did not acknowledge the emperor of Rome.

[Lukongsimi]

The term "born again" became popular in the late 1960s and is associated with the evangelical Christian renewal. - I c/p that from google AI.

You should know what you believe. Don't just anyhow believe. You must ask questions.

Scripture teaches people are born again in baptism. The phrase translated “born again” occurs in John 3:3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (KJV). In Greek the phrase involves a pun.

[Lukongsimi]

[pinkpanther]

I didn't say that lah!  We have many differences but you're still my friend lah!

What does the Bible and Quran say about being friends with unbelievers?  you will be surprised!

[Ali Imran]

The whole book of bible how come no religion such as Muslim?

Only the word Christian is found
The word Christian is used three times in the New Testament: Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28, and 1 Peter 4:16. The original usage in all three New Testament verses reflects a derisive element in the term Christian to refer to followers of Christ who did not acknowledge the emperor of Rome.

We don't know if Jesus used the word Muslim or not because we don't have Jesus own words. But according to the Gospels, for example in Matt 7:21, Jesus said "he who does the will of the Father", meaning Muslims.

Do you understand the argument?

[Ali Imran]

Scripture teaches people are born again in baptism. The phrase translated “born again” occurs in John 3:3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (KJV). In Greek the phrase involves a pun.

The new understanding of Born-again became popular only lately.

[pinkpanther]

Don commit shirk lah...he who does the will of the Father is referring to Moslems?
Can Allah be a Father in any sense? You can quit being a moslem lah

[Lukongsimi]

We don't know if Jesus used the word Muslim or not because we don't have Jesus own words. But according to the Gospels, for example in Matt 7:21, Jesus said "he who does the will of the Father", meaning Muslims.

Do you understand the argument?

What is the will of The Father to you?

[Lukongsimi]

Don commit shirk lah...he who does the will of the Father is referring to Moslems?
Can Allah be a Father in any sense? You can quit being a moslem lah

That was what Jesus told his disciples not to moslems right ?

[Lukongsimi]

The new understanding of Born-again became popular only lately.

2000 years ago n it’s not new

[Lukongsimi]

We don't know if Jesus used the word Muslim or not because we don't have Jesus own words. But according to the Gospels, for example in Matt 7:21, Jesus said "he who does the will of the Father", meaning Muslims.

Do you understand the argument?

Jesus ‘s words were written in red in the Bible 
N there is no such word as Muslim written

[cheekopekman]

2000 years ago n it’s not new

2000 years ago God became Man in Jesus and walked on the Earth lah!  "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."

[Ali Imran]

What is the will of The Father to you?

That's a good question. I'll give you two wills of the Father which you have ignored.

The Father has willed that you shall have no other gods or no other lords, except the one God.

The Father has willed that Saturday be the Sabbath.

[Ali Imran]

2000 years ago n it’s not new

You obviously don't know when this born-again idea became popular, which is only lately.

[cheekopekman]

If that is true, do you know why churches are blown up and Christians tortured to death?

My limited understanding is that China is a country that does not believe in God so the Chinese there are atheists lah!  But why they didn't destroy mosques and temples I can't understand lah!

[Ali Imran]

Jesus ‘s words were written in red in the Bible 
N there is no such word as Muslim written

Did Jesus said "he who does the will of the Father" according to Matt 7:21?