[Hope]

How can you tell that his God is not Allah?

Allah is the God of his , your,mine and all his creations.

He is not the prophet of Allah.

[pinkpanther]

“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If you ˹sincerely˺ love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”Quran 3:31

“Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them.”Quran 4:80


“O believers! Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn away from him while you hear ˹his call˺.”Quran 8:20

“Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them.”Quran 4:80

You can only obey God lah...you don obey man! You see the contradiction

[Hope]

Listen to this china Man 


https://youtube.com/shorts/JleNeAj5IZo?s...dG6yGzzNu8

[Ali Imran]

Galatians 5:3-6 New Living Translation (NLT)
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us.

So there, Jesus warned his followers about the one who will teach people to discard the Law. True enough, after Jesus left, a man came along teaching exactly that.

[pinkpanther]

“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If you ˹sincerely˺ love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”Quran 3:31

“Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them.”Quran 4:80


“O believers! Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn away from him while you hear ˹his call˺.”Quran 8:20

Where did Allah say that you need to say and acknowledge Muhammad in order to become a moslem.....I cannot find!

[Lukongsimi]

[Hope]

Where did Allah say that you need to say and acknowledge Muhammad in order to become a moslem.....I cannot find!

Prophet Muhammad wasn’t just a courier  to get the revelations from Allah and just pass over to his companions to handle the matter.

Prophet Muhammad was a messenger and a prophet.One of the few prophets who received scripture from Allah.

He was guided by Allah to create a nation which could follow Allah’s commandments.He brought whole Arabia from darkness to light.He is the final prophet from Allah for humanity.

Based on core teachings of the Quran ,preaching of Prophet Muhammad and Allah’s guidance, Prophet Muhammad developed the sahada.

If Allah hadn’t approved it, Allah would have sent a revelation reprimanding him.

[pinkpanther]

Prophet Muhammad wasn’t just a courier  to get the revelations from Allah and just pass over to his companions to handle the matter.

Prophet Muhammad was a messenger and a prophet.One of the few prophets who received scripture from Allah.

He was guided by Allah to create a nation which could follow Allah’s commandments.He brought whole Arabia from darkness to light.He is the final prophet from Allah for humanity.

Based on core teachings of the Quran ,preaching of Prophet Muhammad and Allah’s guidance, Prophet Muhammad developed the sahada.

If Allah hadn’t approved it, Allah would have sent a revelation reprimanding him.

God Almighty should not be categorized with any of his creations irregardless of how much of a legend one of his creations may have become....we will never put man in the same scope as God..Jesus is God to the Christians

The point of religion is to get you into heaven but you cannot get there if you are on the wrong, untrue, false path....I don know why it is important to add the Prophet to the Shahada when the One God is the Lone God and no other should share a pillar with him..btw Christianity is also a monotheistic religion.

[Lukongsimi]

God Almighty should not be categorized with any of his creations irregardless of how much of a legend one of his creations may have become....we will never put man in the same scope as God..Jesus is God to the Christians

The point of religion is to get you into heaven but you cannot get there if you are on the wrong, untrue, false path....I don know why it is important to add the Prophet to the Shahada when the One God is the Lone God and no other should share a pillar with him..btw Christianity is also a monotheistic religion.

👏👏👏

[Lukongsimi]

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil. - Proverbs 3:5-7

[Hope]

God Almighty should not be categorized with any of his creations irregardless of how much of a legend one of his creations may have become....we will never put man in the same scope as God..Jesus is God to the Christians

The point of religion is to get you into heaven but you cannot get there if you are on the wrong, untrue, false path....I don know why it is important to add the Prophet to the Shahada when the One God is the Lone God and no other should share a pillar with him..btw Christianity is also a monotheistic religion.

You may put forward your suggestions to Jesus.

The universe belongs to Allah, He created everything, it is his command prophets  to follow 

In Islam,Jesus is a just prophet who came to guide Israelites to live with the commandments given to Moses.

Christianity is not a monotheistic religion.
It has adopted paganism.

[S I M T A N]

The Quran didn't say the sun sets on a muddy spring. The verse says a man perceived it that way. Please read it again. And then you quoted Psalm 19:6. Does the sun rise as the verse says? Of course not. But we perceive it that way.

So there, I've answered all the 3 points you raised about the Quran. There are no internal inconsistencies in the Quran. There is not a single error. Truly, the Quran is the verbatim word of God.

Oh, I see. So it's some bright spark's perception and not your sacred scriptures making the statement. Okay duly noted.

[S I M T A N]

He wanted u to agree that salvation needs work not by grace lah
If u agree he wins

You put that very succinctly, bro. Whatever we say, he's sure to disagree with us. He has to, no matter how persuasive the arguments or evidences we put up. Because if he concurs, it means his beliefs, which are diametrically opposed to ours, are false and our beliefs are true.

He holds an unBiblical belief of "works-based salvation," which is opposed to our "faith-based salvation, and has been rejecting the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer. Paul called it "a different gospel" (Gal 1:6,9). The same error is found in virtually every false cult. Every "different gospel" is under the eternal curse of God.

[S I M T A N]

This sola fide "disagreement" exists primarily because some, while dichotomizing faith and works, failed to read the scriptures in context. As we come to understand what these passages by Paul and James actually mean in context, we see that the supposed contradiction between them is no contradiction after all. These two Apostles in fact taught a harmonious view of the gospel of Jesus Christ, albeit to different audiences with different circumstances. In other parts of their letters, we can easily see how both Paul and James are in agreement that believers are to produce evidence of their faith, not by obeying the unmodified law of Moses (as part of the Mosaic covenant) but by obeying the law of Christ. (as part of the New Covenant) The individual as well as the church stands or falls with the principle of sola fide.

[cheekopekman]

Jesus said you must be obedient to the Law. James also said the same. Jesus also warned his followers that there will be one who will teach people to discard the law. James was a follower of Jesus.

So, after Jesus left, Paul came along and teach people that they no longer need to be obedient to the law. James, who must have remembered the warning given by Jesus, opposed that idea from Paul.

My question is; why do you believe Paul was right and James was wrong?

Thank you for your question lah, Ali!  I need to study the Bible again before answering you lah!

[pinkpanther]

Oh, I see. So it's some bright spark's perception and not your sacred scriptures making the statement. Okay duly noted.

Obviously the Quran did claim that the sun sets in muddy spring because there’s a Hadith that confirmed that (abi dawud 4002)

Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

Also there’s a difference between the sun setting in a forest and the sun setting in hole or a muddy spring

If i say “joe found John watching tv” Does that mean John wasn’t watching his tv ?

[pinkpanther]

Interesting facts!

Grace within Islam is something very different than what it is within Christianity. In Islam, grace is something Allah gives you AFTER you muster up your own faith and works. While it is Allah alone who grants salvation, this occurs as a consequence of believing in Allah and doing good works as defined within Islam. However, in Christianity, grace comes first, before either faith or works. Neither the ability to confess Jesus as Lord or to do anything pleasing to God can happen unless God first grants the grace to do so (Matthew 16:16-17; Romans 8:7). This Bible consistently teaches salvation by grace alone, with faith and works flowing out as an after-effect.

To put it another way, in Islam, faith and works lead to Allah’s grace. In Christianity, it is God’s grace that leads to faith and works (Romans 2:4). Complete opposites.

https://unravelingislam.com/grace-faith-and-works/

[pinkpanther]

In Islam,Jesus is a just prophet who came to guide Israelites to live with the commandments given to Moses.

Did you get it wrong? Jesus performed many miracles and led a sinless life, He was sent to all mankind lah not Muhammad who led a sinful life with plenty of controversies...even Quranists refused to accept and obey the Hadiths!

[Hope]

Did you get it wrong? Jesus performed many miracles and led a sinless life, He was sent to all mankind lah not Muhammad who led a sinful life with plenty of controversies...even Quranists refused to accept and obey the Hadiths!

Jesus did miracles with the help of Allah only.

Moses split the sea. Isn’t a miracle? It is a triple miracle 
1) splitting the sea
2) rescuing WHOLE Israelites 
3) defeating the tyrant pharaoh 

Muslim believe Jesus’s miracle. Muslim  believe three extra miracles than Christian believe.However It doesn’t make him a God.

I can’t stop you believing in your beliefs.How ever God is one. He is not weak/desperate to take human form.

Think this. Like I cannot stop you , You ,the  dead and living Christian can not stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.Are you going to question him? Are you going to blame him or your self for giving a false religion to you?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus did miracles with the help of Allah only.

Moses split the sea. Isn’t a miracle? It is a triple miracle 
1) splitting the sea
2) rescuing WHOLE Israelites 
3) defeating the tyrant pharaoh 

Muslim believe Jesus’s miracle. Muslim  believe three extra miracles than Christian believe.However It doesn’t make him a God.

I can’t stop you believing in your beliefs.How ever God is one. He is not weak/desperate to take human form.

Think this. Like I cannot stop you , You ,the  dead and living Christian can not stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.Are you going to question him? Are you going to blame him or your self for giving a false religion to you?

Jesus was the perfect example for all mankind to follow....Muhammad was not! Let's not kid ourselves.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus did miracles with the help of Allah only.

Moses split the sea. Isn’t a miracle? It is a triple miracle 
1) splitting the sea
2) rescuing WHOLE Israelites 
3) defeating the tyrant pharaoh 

Muslim believe Jesus’s miracle. Muslim  believe three extra miracles than Christian believe.However It doesn’t make him a God.

I can’t stop you believing in your beliefs.How ever God is one. He is not weak/desperate to take human form.

Think this. Like I cannot stop you , You ,the  dead and living Christian can not stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.Are you going to question him? Are you going to blame him or your self for giving a false religion to you?

I don believe in Allah because He stole Paul's lines and took it as his own

[Hope]

Jesus was the perfect example for all mankind to follow....Muhammad was not! Let's not kid ourselves.

If he was a perfect example,

Why do you involve in prostitution/ promiscuity ?
Why do you take drugs and alcohol?
Why do you charge interest on everything?
Why do you wear skimpy dress?

Did Jesus teach those ?

[Hope]

I don believe in Allah because He stole Paul's lines and took it as his own

Paul teachs God took a rest on the sixth day.Allah says he never sleeps or tires 

Paul says God took human form. Allah says he is not weak to take a form of his creation.

Paul insists trinity.Allah says he doesn’t need partners to govern his kingdom.

Paul teaches god died on the cross.Allah says he never dies.

I can’t stop your belief. You cannot stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.👍💪

[pinkpanther]

If he was a perfect example,

Why do you involve in prostitution/ promiscuity ?
Why do you take drugs and alcohol?
Why do you charge interest on everything?
Why do you wear skimpy dress?

Did Jesus teach those ?

What has all these got to do with Jesus? These are the actions and the free will of men....Mutah nikah comes from Islam, terrorists from where.. I can blame everything negative on islam but that is irrational and illogical

[Hope]

What has all these got to do with Jesus? These are the actions and the free will of men....Mutah nikah comes from Islam, terrorists from where.. I can blame everything negative on islam but that is irrational and illogical

You said he was a perfect example.

Show me bible verses if you have free will.

Are they doing all these because someone died for their sins?

👍I can’t stop your belief. You can’t stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.

[pinkpanther]

Paul teachs God took a rest on the sixth day.Allah says he never sleeps or tires 

Paul says God took human form. Allah says he is not weak to take a form of his creation.

Paul insists trinity.Allah says he doesn’t need partners to govern his kingdom.

Paul teaches god died on the cross.Allah says he never dies.

I can’t stop your belief. You cannot stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.👍💪

Jesus calls his God his Father and God calls Jesus His beloved Son....if you still believe he is a moslem...I also believe that you are a Christian

[Hope]

Jesus calls his God his Father and God calls Jesus His beloved Son....if you still believe he is a moslem...I also believe that you are a Christian

Show me bible verse if God call him his son.

[pinkpanther]

Show me bible verse if God call him his son.

Matthew 3:17: "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"

Mark 1:11: "And a voice came from the heavens, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

Luke 3:22: "The Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

[Lukongsimi]

You put that very succinctly, bro. Whatever we say, he's sure to disagree with us. He has to, no matter how persuasive the arguments or evidences we put up. Because if he concurs, it means his beliefs, which are diametrically opposed to ours, are false and our beliefs are true.

He holds an unBiblical belief of "works-based salvation," which is opposed to our "faith-based salvation, and has been rejecting the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer. Paul called it "a different gospel" (Gal 1:6,9). The same error is found in virtually every false cult. Every "different gospel" is under the eternal curse of God.

If to agree with him we will fall away from faith 
Should not doubt the Bible  our daily bread to strengthen our faith in God

[pinkpanther]

You said he was a perfect example.

Show me bible verses if you have free will.

Are they doing all these because someone died for their sins?

👍I can’t stop your belief. You can’t stop Jesus living as a Muslim on his second coming.

Not all humans follow Jesus..so you cannot blame everything on Jesus. 

Deuteronomy 30:19: "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live."