[Lukongsimi]

Baptism can only be performed in the name of the Most High. ...Jesus clearly specified who the Most High is...He could have simply stated to baptize in the name of the one true God, the Father...but He did not say so

It doesn't take much contemplation to understand Jesus' message, unless one is stupiak and unable to comprehend it.

Goats n sheep can’t agree lah lol

[pinkpanther]

Goats n sheep can’t agree lah lol

In the name of the Father The Son and The Holy Spirit ...That is the Trinity! Who said it? Who taught it? So simple ..

[Lukongsimi]

In the name of the Father The Son and The Holy Spirit ...That is the Trinity! Who said it? Who taught it? So simple ..

 Jesus lah n his followers agreed

[Lukongsimi]

In the last days many will fall from faith if not careful

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/X7OPiILM3g8?s...jiEf7BDuhr

[cheekopekman]

For me it doesn't matter whether the sentence is written in the active voice (I forgive your sins) or in the passive voice (Your sins are forgiven {by Me}), there's no denying that Jesus is the Great Forgiver of humanity's sins, and is deserving of our praise and worship.

I've posted some scriptural passages attesting to the divinity of Christ but you chose to ignore them and you kept harping instead on the ambiguous wording of that prayerful John 17:3 verse in your vain attempt to disprove His divinity. There are more of such verses which I'll post from time to time.

Your thoughts articulated in your second paragraph is a bit muddled, esp the part where you say Christians sided with the Pharisees who accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Let me put my thoughts articulately into the debate between the Pharisees and Jesus about the significance of the Old Testament patriarch Abraham who was the father of the Israelite nation.

The Pharisees were convinced that all was right between them and God because they were physical descendants of Abraham. But Jesus burst their bubble by insisting that a person must be a spiritual descendant of Abraham by demonstrating the same obedience to God that Abraham did. "Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? the Pharisees asked (John 8:53). Jesus's answer sent them reeling, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad" (v 56).

Now the Pharisees were utterly confused, "Abraham has been dead for almost two thousands years, and you aren't even fifty years. Yet you are claiming to have seen Abraham? How could that be? Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (v 58). Jesus wasn't only claiming to have lived prior to Abraham, but by using the phrase "I am" Jesus was making the ultimate declaration that He was in fact the God the Pharisees professed to love and worship.

Jesus's use of "I am" to describe His relationship with Abraham was not lost on the Pharisees, as shown by their violent reaction: Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him (John 8:59). With just two little words, Jesus was making the grandest pronouncement about Himself: "I am God."

Another example of Jesus claiming to be the one and only God of the OT was during His trial prior to His crucifixion. The high priest Caiaphas asked Jesus: "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? (Mark 14:61). Jesus answered with the two words: "I am" (v 62). To drive His point home (as well as drive His accusers crazy), He quoted a passage from the book of Daniel: "And you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with clouds of heaven (Mark 14:62).

Of course, anyone can claim to be God, and your stock reply would be "A beggar claimed to be I am." The thing is, none of the other founders of major world religions ever did or ever linked someone's eternal well-being to their belief in that founder. But Jesus did. Even the Pharisees who worshiped the one true God, Yahweh, and attempted to follow His laws were not exempted from Jesus's condition for salvation: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24)

I'm a busy bee with many calls on my time, and so I don't have the luxury of time to discourse lengthily. After quietening down at night, I'll take a moment to read the postings before chiming in with my opinions. I hit the sack in the dead of the night.

Busy people no time for such meaningless arguments and debates lah!  No end no finish one leh!

[Lukongsimi]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSMwV8oQn/
Worship demons wow 😮

[pinkpanther]

Busy people no time for such meaningless arguments and debates lah!  No end no finish one leh!

The next time you find yourself older and wish to talk about your beliefs with others, you may discover that no one is interested in engaging.... This is the ideal moment for a meaningful discussion...there is no next time..life is short! 

[Lukongsimi]

Let me set an example 
There were 3 people on the top of the hill 
Pink, ah lee n Philip 
Pink  warned ah lee don’t go down there is a lion waiting
Philip scolded pink don’t kapo lah 
Ah lee don’t believe pink n went down n the lion tore him up 
Philip laugh n said none of my business I m too busy with my work 
What does that tells u?

[Ali Imran]

SimTan. You believe Jesus is God, you will have this logical problem of the incarnation. I copied this from AI.

The logical problem of the incarnation
The "logical problem of the incarnation" arises from the apparent contradiction of a being simultaneously possessing both divine and human natures, as the attributes of each seem incompatible. Specifically, how can a being be both omnipotent and mortal, or omnipresent and limited to a specific location?

The core of the problem
The core of the problem lies in the seemingly contradictory nature of the incarnation, which is the Christian doctrine that God (the second person of the Trinity) became human in the person of Jesus Christ.

Incompatible attributes
The attributes of a divine nature (omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, immutability, and impassibility) seem to clash with the attributes of a human nature (mortality, spatial limitations, ignorance, mutability, and possibility).

Examples of Inconsistencies:
1. How can a being who is omnipotent (all-powerful) be subject to human weakness, suffering, and death?
2. How can a being who is omnipresent (present everywhere) be limited to a specific time and place, like the historical Jesus of Nazareth?
3. How can a being who is immutable (unchangeable) experience emotions, grief, and doubt, as Jesus did?

The learned Christian's attempt to solve this problem is mind-boggling.

[Lukongsimi]

China Christians growing

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSMwtpEm5/

[pinkpanther]

Let me set an example 
There were 3 people on the top of the hill 
Pink, ah lee n Philip 
Pink  warned ah lee don’t go down there is a lion waiting
Philip scolded pink don’t kapo lah 
Ah lee don’t believe pink n went down n the lion tore him up 
Philip laugh n said none of my business I m too busy with my work 
What does that tells u?

Philip is heartless?

[Lukongsimi]

Philip is heartless?

“And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭25‬ ‭NKJV

[S I M T A N]

Busy people no time for such meaningless arguments and debates lah!  No end no finish one leh!

Right bro, arguing will get us nowhere. The moslems have gotten so dogmatic that arguing with them is pointless. Equally, we Christians are often seen by some impious persons as annoyingly right-on because we keep stressing a literal interpretation of the Scriptures and believe everything in the Bible is completely and actually true.

Religion makes strange bedfellows. We and they are poles apart theologically, and we seem to get our jollies from trying to demolish each other's beliefs in tempestuous debates. Admittedly, without opposing viewpoints, we're just preaching to the choir, and things can become pretty mundane. I know I can't argue with my intransigent Muslim interlocutors since their minds are closed. But there's a chance that in the course of articulating and defending the foundational truths of our faith, someone out there reading our comments may be touched by God's Word, which is sharper than any two-edged sword and has the capability of piercing Satan's fog of deception that muddles the thinking of non-Christians (Heb 4:12).

Our goal isn't to win argument but to win the other person to faith in God's only way to eternal life through Christ alone. In one sense, the hard-bitten Muslim fundamentalists serve as a conduit for reaching out to more receptive readers, so it's not an entirely profitless argument.

[S I M T A N]

If Jesus is God, why would he say what he said in John 17:3 and cause people to doubt that he is God? 

If Jesus is God, why would he deny the accusation of the Pharisees who accused him of claiming to be God?

If Jesus is God, why didn't he say so clearly, like the Father did in Isaiah 45: "I am God, and there is no other?" 

Why play games with people's salvation? Is he a cruel god?

Those are called critical questions, and you will have them if you employ critical thinking.

I've been told that Christians are not encouraged to do critical thinking about their faith. Do you agree?

God isn't the author of confusion and doubt.

The accusation had met with denial from Jesus? So did He admit to being God or not?

This question has been answered by your interlocutors.

How did God play with people's salvation, pray tell?

[Hope]

As Christian claims Quran is from Satan/Devil

https://youtu.be/O6VEcGnl9Hg?si=plLVA_NYSXJjwGe_

[Hope]

Christianity powerful religion 


https://youtube.com/shorts/XuzK5unCZxA?s...uqngIv3LCT

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/sERq8WENkD4?si=SksOitqbYzyARP78


Rabbi scared to criticise Islam 👍

[Hope]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mt0PZDwMSjg?s...h1KqcrQyms

[Ali Imran]

God isn't the author of confusion and doubt.

The accusation had met with denial from Jesus? So did He admit to being God or not?

This question has been answered by your interlocutors.

How did God play with people's salvation, pray tell?

Yes, the confusion arising from the Bible resulted in many different denominations, some vehemently opposed to others. This started very early, almost as soon as Jesus's ascension, pbuh. How did the Unitarian Christians oppose the Trinitarian Christians? By using the same Bible you're using. Please read the history of early Christianity from reputable historians. 

When the Pharisees accused Jesus of claiming to be God, what did he say? Read John 10, where Jesus argued against them. 

I don't have an interlocutor here except you. There are a couple of mockers but no interlocutors.

[Ali Imran]

How did God play with people's salvation, pray tell?

The God of Jesus didn't play games with people's salvation. It was a rhetorical question. I made that rhetoric because of what you believe. I'll explain.

For thousands of years, God has been telling people through God's messengers that God is one and there is no other besides Him. If you take others besides God as equal to God, you will be condemned to hell. And then suddenly, as per your belief, two others besides God are also gods, and if we don't believe that, hell will be our abode. That's what I mean when I made that rhetorical question. 

Also, God told people that God is not a man. And then suddenly, as per your belief, God became a man and if we don't believe that, we will go to hell, as per your belief. Is that God playing a joke on us? What would our father Abraham pbuh who is God's friend say if he knew God is actually 3 gods in one when throughout all his life, God has been telling him that God has not partners?

[Ali Imran]

The accusation had met with denial from Jesus? So did He admit to being God or not?

Read it yourself. John 10. Did he agree to the accusation of the Pharisees or did he counter it with an argument?

Try reading it while in my shoes and perhaps you can see what I mean.

[cheekopekman]

Right bro, arguing will get us nowhere. The moslems have gotten so dogmatic that arguing with them is pointless. Equally, we Christians are often seen by some impious persons as annoyingly right-on because we keep stressing a literal interpretation of the Scriptures and believe everything in the Bible is completely and actually true.

Religion makes strange bedfellows. We and they are poles apart theologically, and we seem to get our jollies from trying to demolish each other's beliefs in tempestuous debates. Admittedly, without opposing viewpoints, we're just preaching to the choir, and things can become pretty mundane. I know I can't argue with my intransigent Muslim interlocutors since their minds are closed. But there's a chance that in the course of articulating and defending the foundational truths of our faith, someone out there reading our comments may be touched by God's Word, which is sharper than any two-edged sword and has the capability of piercing Satan's fog of deception that muddles the thinking of non-Christians (Heb 4:12).

Our goal isn't to win argument but to win the other person to faith in God's only way to eternal life through Christ alone. In one sense, the hard-bitten Muslim fundamentalists serve as a conduit for reaching out to more receptive readers, so it's not an entirely profitless argument.

Winning lost souls for Christ is more important than winning an argument lah!  We can't force people to believe in whatever we have said lah! Ultimately, everyone must stand before the Judgement Seat of Jesus Christ 1 day to give an account, including you and me lah!

[Ali Imran]

Right bro, arguing will get us nowhere. The moslems have gotten so dogmatic that arguing with them is pointless. Equally, we Christians are often seen by some impious persons as annoyingly right-on because we keep stressing a literal interpretation of the Scriptures and believe everything in the Bible is completely and actually true.

What about the verses that were taken out of the modern-day Bible because they were found to be forgeries or to put it politely, later additions?

[pinkpanther]

Like a doting grandmother who thinks the truly awful drawing by her grandchild is a great work of art, Moslems are blinded by their faith to the flaws and truth about the Quran.

 Moslems do not just say that the Quran was written by men inspired by Allah, but that the Quran is literally the very words of Allah, that every word in the Quran came from Allah.

One can judge for oneself whether a book full of silly folk tales of talking ants and magical beings building temples, and armies of talking birds, and factual errors of the blatant kind are really the very words of an all knowing. Or whether the Quran is a fake, a book that was made up by humans.

[pinkpanther]

As Christian claims Quran is from Satan/Devil

https://youtu.be/O6VEcGnl9Hg?si=plLVA_NYSXJjwGe_

Hello my friend... lily doesnt use her brains always relying on chagpt...Muhammad was right about women deficiency in their intelligence

[cheekopekman]

What about the verses that were taken out of the modern-day Bible because they were found to be forgeries or to put it politely, later additions?

The Bible is God's Word so cannot be wrong lah!  But human interpretations may not be accurate and complete lah! It's human to make mistakes lah!

[pinkpanther]

Winning lost souls for Christ is more important than winning an argument lah!  We can't force people to believe in whatever we have said lah! Ultimately, everyone must stand before the Judgement Seat of Jesus Christ 1 day to give an account, including you and me lah!

There are many lost souls reading this thread....most prefer to remain silent   Are you trying to win their lost souls too?

[Ali Imran]

The Bible is God's Word so cannot be wrong lah!  But human interpretations may not be accurate and complete lah! It's human to make mistakes lah!

Are the many verses taken out of the modern-day Bible God's words or not? They were in the Bible for maybe a thousand years and then they were removed recently in modern times.

[Ali Imran]

Some New Testament verses, like those in Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53-8:11, are not included in all modern English translations, but are present in some older versions or manuscripts.

Verses with Varied Inclusion:
Certain verses, such as Mark 16:9-20 (the longer ending of Mark) and John 7:53-8:11 (the "woman caught in adultery" passage), are not included in all modern English translations of the Bible.

Reasons for Exclusion:
These verses are often excluded because they are not found in the oldest and most reliable Greek manuscripts, or because they appear to be additions or interpolations.

Examples of verses removed from modern day Bible
Matthew 17:21: "But this kind does not come out except by fasting and praying."
Matthew 18:11: "For if your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault between you and him alone."
Matthew 23:14: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people."
Mark 7:16: "If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear."
Mark 9:44 and 9:46: "And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off."
Mark 11:26: "But if you do not believe, you will not be forgiven."
Mark 15:28: "And the inscription of their accusation was written above."
Luke 17:36: "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left."
John 5:3b–4: "For an angel went down into the pool at the right time, and stirred up the water. And whoever was the first to step into the water after it was stirred up was healed of whatever disease he had."
Acts 8:37: "And Philip said, 'If you believe with all your heart, you may.' And he said, 'I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'"
Acts 15:34: "But Paul and Barnabas disagreed with them, so that they separated from each other, and Paul took Silas and went out."
Acts 24:6–8: "And when Paul was to speak, Felix interrupted him, saying, 'You are crazy.'"
Acts 28:29: "And when he had said these words, the Jews argued among themselves, and Paul went out."
Romans 16:24: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all."
1 John 5:7–8: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth, the spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three agree."

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