[cheekopekman]

Okay. We shall put aside the people who will be punished for adding and deleting verses from the Bible. The question is about you. How are you sure that what you're reading is true and not false stuff put into the Bible which we know already happened?

I'm aware that some words in the King Jame's Version KJV are omitted or missing from the NIV New International Version lah!  I also don't understand why lah!

[cheekopekman]

When I interpret John 17:3 literally, you don't seem to agree. Of course, I do understand why you must reject the literal interpretation of that verse because you're a Trinitarian and that verse which says only 1 person is the true God is the metaphorical spanner in the Trinity.

I learned 1 method of interpretation by putting myself in the shoes of the 1st hearers and readers lah!  John was the one who recorded Jesus' prayer in John 17 and his readers were the 1st readers lah! Jesus prayed that prayer and His hearers were the 1st hearers lah! Now try again lah!

[pinkpanther]

there are different interpretations and translations of the Quran in various languages. Some modern translations might omit certain verses or passages due to various reasons, such as:

Translation Choices: Some translators might choose to omit verses that they find difficult to translate accurately into other languages, or they may provide explanations in footnotes rather than including every detail in the main text.

Contextual Understanding: Certain verses may be omitted or summarized to provide better understanding or context for modern readers who may not be familiar with the historical or cultural context in which the verses were revealed.

Interpretive Variations: Different Islamic sects (like Sunni and Shia) may emphasize or interpret certain verses differently, and translations might reflect those variations.

Censorship or Cultural Sensitivity: In some cases, political or social climates may lead to productions of the Quran that omit sensitive content to appeal to broader audiences.

Mistakes or Errors: Occasionally, human error in printing or typesetting might lead to unintentional omissions in certain editions of the Quran.

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[pinkpanther]

The question is ....How are you sure that what you're reading is true and not false stuff put into the Quran which we know already happened?

You see how I can use the moslem claims and turned it against them 

[Ali Imran]

I learned 1 method of interpretation by putting myself in the shoes of the 1st hearers and readers lah!  John was the one who recorded Jesus' prayer in John 17 and his readers were the 1st readers lah! Jesus prayed that prayer and His hearers were the 1st hearers lah! Now try again lah!

If you were there and you heard Jesus say the Father is the ONLY true God, would you think Jesus is also a true God?

[Ali Imran]

I'm aware that some words in the King Jame's Version KJV are omitted or missing from the NIV New International Version lah!  I also don't understand why lah!

So which Bible is the true word of God?

It's okay to say you don't know.

[Lukongsimi]

You brought up a very good point lah!  I was taught to obey the Word of God and do what He says by faith lah! Just like the Israelites who crossed the Red Sea lah! By faith, they had to step into the water before it was parted lah! If they had hesitated to move, the water would never have been parted lah!

“Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided. So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh’s horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭14‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
😊

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/OT0eX7FZXv4?si=Y5ObjtoR5mNTCjcn

[Ali Imran]

“Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided. So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh’s horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭14‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
😊

Thank you pengyu.

There is nothing there that says if the Israelites hesitated, the sea would not part.

[pinkpanther]

“Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided. So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh’s horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭14‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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Last time channel 5 got show the 10 commandments..I cannot remember? I had this in VCD..

[Lukongsimi]

Last time channel 5 got show the 10 commandments..I cannot remember? I had this in VCD..

I bought the Ten Commandments cd from Bangkok lend it to fren no return 
lol

[pinkpanther]

You moslem don even know how to master the arabic language so can you tell which Quran is the word of God


While translations of the Quran exist in many languages to help non-Arabic speakers understand its content, these translations are considered interpretations of the meaning of the Quran rather than the Quran itself. Therefore, they are not regarded as the word of God in the same way that the original Arabic text is.

Unless you truly master Arabic...other wise you do not have the word of god ...so the 2 moslems here can read and understand 100% Arabic?

[pinkpanther]

I bought the Ten Commandments cd from Bangkok lend it to fren no return 
lol

Maybe because of your VCD, he converted to christian 

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/6thNkjGqxeY?si=ICxYF08BK0Q9adS1
The voice of God

almost same in my dream

[pinkpanther]

You moslem don even know how to master the arabic language so can you tell which Quran is the word of God


While translations of the Quran exist in many languages to help non-Arabic speakers understand its content, these translations are considered interpretations of the meaning of the Quran rather than the Quran itself. Therefore, they are not regarded as the word of God in the same way that the original Arabic text is.

Unless you truly master Arabic...other wise you do not have the word of god ...so the 2 moslems here can read and understand 100% Arabic?

I think Hope said he can memorise and recite everything in Arabic...but I believe he does not know that each arabic word can have several meanings like the word Al-Muhaymin..it is translated as "guardian" or "witness"...never as a supreme authority which the Quran translated and wrote in error...

[pinkpanther]

You brought up a very good point lah!  I was taught to obey the Word of God and do what He says by faith lah! Just like the Israelites who crossed the Red Sea lah! By faith, they had to step into the water before it was parted lah! If they had hesitated to move, the water would never have been parted lah!

By faith? What faith? Before that they were still blaming Moses for bringing them out to suffer... they do not believe in God

[Lukongsimi]

Maybe because of your VCD, he converted to christian 

I brought him to church also 
After that I don’t know lol

[Lukongsimi]

I think Hope said he can memorise and recite everything in Arabic...but I believe he does not know that each arabic word can have several meanings like the word Al-Muhaymin..it is translated as "guardian" or "witness"...never as a supreme authority which the Quran translated and wrote in error...

You seems very knowledgeable about their book.

[pinkpanther]

You seems very knowledgeable about their book.

No lah...see YouTube lah

[pinkpanther]

I recall Alizabird mentioning that he doesn't know Arabic, and what he learned was through the interpretation of his Imam or teacher. 

My question is, how can he be sure that his teacher is interpreting the Arabic language accurately if he doesn't understand it? Each teacher has their own interpretation, and there are so many countries with varying interpretations. So, which one accurately conveys the word of God?

[Lukongsimi]

I recall Alizabird mentioning that he doesn't know Arabic, and what he learned was through the interpretation of his Imam or teacher. 

My question is, how can he be sure that his teacher is interpreting the Arabic language accurately if he doesn't understand it? Each teacher has their own interpretation, and there are so many countries with varying interpretations. So, which one accurately conveys the word of God?

Brilliant question 😊

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/d638jZ4iJyA?si=eAWvFQ0Mo-vCSf0R

[S I M T A N]

Read it yourself. John 10. Did he agree to the accusation of the Pharisees or did he counter it with an argument?

Try reading it while in my shoes and perhaps you can see what I mean.

If I were in your shoes, I'd decry the charge of blasphemy the Pharisees brought against Jesus because he is only a prophet of God who obeyed His commandments and did good works in his Father's name. On my part, I'm faithfully following the example Jesus set. Unfortunately for you, you're not Jesus's sheep and thus you're an unsaved sinner.

The reaction of the Jews around Jesus show that they clearly understood these things to be blasphemous claims for a mere man to make. It's one thing to claim to be God; it's quite another to get other monotheistic Jews to believe it. Along with Jesus's own claim to be God, His disciples believed in His Deity very strongly.

In agreement with their Master, the apostles called Him "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17; 2:8; 22:13), "the true Light" (John 1:9), the "Bridegroom" (Eph 5:28-33; Rev 21:2), "the Chief Shepherd" (1 Pet 5:4), and "the Great Shepherd" (Heb 13:20). He's seen as the Forgiver of sins (Acts 5:31; Col 3:13; Jer 31:34; Ps 130:4) and "Savior of the world" (John 4:42; Isa 43:3). The apostles also taught that "Christ Jesus ... is to judge the living and the dead" (2 Tim 4:1). All of these titles are given to Yahweh in the OT and to Jesus in the New.

[S I M T A N]

Whoever took out those words from the original texts must be accountable to God 1 day lah!

The last book of the Bible contains dire warnings for any any who might wish to alter the Christian Scriptures. Because of those warnings, Bible-believing Christians would surely not dare to tamper with the Holy Writ. Jesus who is God taught that the Bible is the Word of God - every word of it, for "it is written, Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" (Matt 4:4).

Paul declared, "Let God be true, though very man be found a liar" (Rom 3:4). Jesus said to God, "Your word is truth" (John 17:17). "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). But if the Bible is the Word of God and if God cannot err, then the Bible cannot err.

The NT is a historically reliable document. Miracles confirm Jesus's claim to be God. Whatever Jesus (who is God) teaches is true. (Num 23:19; Heb 6:18; 1 John 1:5-6).

[Ali Imran]

The NT is a historically reliable document. 

No historian will ever agree with you.

[Ali Imran]

The last book of the Bible contains dire warnings for any any who might wish to alter the Christian Scriptures. Because of those warnings, Bible-believing Christians would surely not dare to tamper with the Holy Writ. Jesus who is God taught that the Bible is the Word of God - every word of it, for "it is written, Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" (Matt 4:4).

But they did tamper with the scriptures. They forged verses and made you believe that it is God's word. They changed the story to advance their opinions. The Bible even has a verse that confirms the scribes lied with their pens. Jeremiah 8:8.

So yes, they will be punished for their lies. But what about you? Are you still going to say the Bible is true when we already know that it contains lies?

[Ali Imran]

The reaction of the Jews around Jesus show that they clearly understood these things to be blasphemous claims for a mere man to make. It's one thing to claim to be God; it's quite another to get other monotheistic Jews to believe it. Along with Jesus's own claim to be God, His disciples believed in His Deity very strongly.

I've asked you to show me if the disciples ever taught people at the temple that Jesus is God, but you haven't done so. 

What did Peter say to the people at the Pentecost? He said Jesus was a man. Peter did not say Jesus is God.

If Peter believed Jesus is God as you claimed, why didn't he say so to the people?

[Ali Imran]

If I were in your shoes, I'd decry the charge of blasphemy the Pharisees brought against Jesus because he is only a prophet of God who obeyed His commandments and did good works in his Father's name. On my part, I'm faithfully following the example Jesus set. Unfortunately for you, you're not Jesus's sheep and thus you're an unsaved sinner.

Yes, I am not Jesus's sheep, because I don't belong to the house of Israel. Jesus's sheep, according to Jesus, were the children of Israel, and that excludes you. According to Jesus as recorded in the Gospel, you are a dog, not a sheep. Read Matthew 15.

[Ali Imran]

SimTan.

I invite you to read the Quran, which states Jesus is blessed, not accursed as in the Bible.

I find it ludicrous that the Bible condemns Jesus as a curse.

Peace and blessings of God be upon the son of Mary, a mighty messenger of God.

[cheekopekman]

Yes, I am not Jesus's sheep, because I don't belong to the house of Israel. Jesus's sheep, according to Jesus, were the children of Israel, and that excludes you. According to Jesus as recorded in the Gospel, you are a dog, not a sheep. Read Matthew 15.

Only the sheep will listen to the shepherd lah!  His sheep am I lah!