[Ali Imran]

Only the sheep will listen to the shepherd lah!  His sheep am I lah!

You also don't belong to the house of Israel so according to Jesus himself, you're not his sheep.

[pinkpanther]

That stupiak makes a claim that no historian will agree to the reliability of the Bible...I can tell you it is more reliable than your Quran that claims to be fully detailed...I cannot believe that Moslem will scoop to spewing nonsense

This a copied from Al

The reliability of the New Testament (NT) has been studied and debated extensively by scholars, historians, and theologians. Many scholars argue that the New Testament is a reliable historical document for several reasons, including the early dating of the texts, the number of manuscripts available, and the accounts of eyewitness testimony. Here are some notable scholars and historians who have contributed to the discussion on the reliability of the New Testament:

1. **F. F. Bruce** - A prominent biblical scholar and theologian, F. F. Bruce emphasized the historical reliability of the New Testament and wrote extensively on biblical documents, particularly the early church’s historical context.

2. **Lee Strobel** - A former investigative journalist, Strobel wrote "The Case for Christ," where he examines the evidence for the reliability of the New Testament and the resurrection of Jesus through interviews with scholars and experts.

3. **N. T. Wright** - A respected New Testament scholar and former Bishop of Durham in the Church of England, Wright has authored many works arguing for the historical reliability of the resurrection of Jesus and the overall trustworthiness of the New Testament texts.

4. **William Lane Craig** - A philosopher and theologian known for his work in apologetics, Craig has frequently discussed the historical evidence supporting the resurrection of Jesus, a central theme in the New Testament.

5. **Richard Bauckham** - A New Testament scholar who authored "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses," arguing for the reliability of the Gospel accounts based on their roots in eyewitness testimony.

6. **Craig Blomberg** - A New Testament scholar who has written extensively on the historical reliability of the Gospels, including works like "The Historical Reliability of the Gospels."

7. **Bart D. Ehrman** - Although Ehrman is often critical of traditional conservative views of the New Testament, his examination of the textual variants and historical context can provide valuable insight into debates about reliability.

8. **John A. T. Robinson** - A New Testament scholar who argued for an early date of the New Testament writings, suggesting that they were closer in time to the events they describe, which supports their reliability.

These scholars and their works contribute to the discussion about the historical reliability of the New Testament from various perspectives, both conservative and critical. The evidence they present often includes the early composition of the texts, the number of surviving manuscripts, the textual consistency across different copies, and the social and historical context in which the texts were written.

[pinkpanther]

What makes you think that your Quran is reliable... let me flip it against you

Here are some common arguments and areas of debate that critics may cite when questioning the reliability of the Quran:

Textual Variants: Scholars have pointed out that there are different readings of the Quran (qira'at) that exist. Some critics argue that these variations could suggest issues with the text's preservation over time. However, defenders of the Quran assert that these variations are minor and do not alter the core message.

Historical Context: Critics sometimes argue that certain historical events and narratives within the Quran are not supported by external sources or conflict with established historical knowledge. This could include discussions about the nature of pre-Islamic Arabia and events surrounding the life of the Prophet Muhammad.

Compilation Process: Some critics focus on the historical process by which the Quran was compiled, suggesting that the oral transmission of the text and the collection of verses after Muhammad's death raise questions about its reliability. Supporters argue that oral tradition was robust in pre-Islamic Arabia, and the Quran was compiled meticulously during the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Uthman.

Contradictions: Critics may claim that certain verses in the Quran contradict one another or contradict the established historical or scientific understanding. Supporters suggest that these perceived contradictions often arise from misinterpretation or lack of context.

Authorship and Revelation: Some critiques focus on the nature of Quranic revelation, questioning the claim that it is the literal word of God and arguing that it could reflect the cultural and historical context of the time it was written.

Comparative Literature: Some scholars draw comparisons between the Quran and other religious texts (like the Bible) and analyze similarities in narrative style, themes, and motifs. Critics sometimes argue that these similarities might hint at human influence rather than divine authorship.

[pinkpanther]

Why would SimTan read the Quran?
Once It is tainted in Satanic verses that the prophet once spewed ..it is no longer a Holy Book..

Police be upon Him!

[pinkpanther]

Rebuking that moslem who is not well read #5129..
You are not the sheep because you don read. Well if you want to be a dog ..so be it..

John 10:16 

"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."

[pinkpanther]

Why would the moslem invite SimTan to waste his time with the English Quran where Allah says that any translation other than the Arabic Quran is not the word of God...

[Lukongsimi]

The law says we are under a curse for not always obeying it. But Christ took away that curse. He changed places with us and put himself under that curse. The Scriptures say, “Anyone who is hung on a tree is under a curse.” Because of what Jesus Christ did, the blessing God promised to Abraham was given to all people. Christ died so that by believing in him we could have the Spirit that God promised.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭ERV

[Lukongsimi]

John 10:27-28
King James Version
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

[Lukongsimi]

Man does not live on bread alone but by every words that proceeds from the mouth of God
Like a double edged sword that pierce thru the soul mind n spirit
God speaks to you thru the bible,dreams,visions.
If you hears none or see none you r on the wrong path.

[Ali Imran]

If I were in your shoes, I'd decry the charge of blasphemy the Pharisees brought against Jesus because he is only a prophet of God who obeyed His commandments and did good works in his Father's name. On my part, I'm faithfully following the example Jesus set. Unfortunately for you, you're not Jesus's sheep and thus you're an unsaved sinner.

The reaction of the Jews around Jesus show that they clearly understood these things to be blasphemous claims for a mere man to make. It's one thing to claim to be God; it's quite another to get other monotheistic Jews to believe it. Along with Jesus's own claim to be God, His disciples believed in His Deity very strongly.

In agreement with their Master, the apostles called Him "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17; 2:8; 22:13), "the true Light" (John 1:9), the "Bridegroom" (Eph 5:28-33; Rev 21:2), "the Chief Shepherd" (1 Pet 5:4), and "the Great Shepherd" (Heb 13:20). He's seen as the Forgiver of sins (Acts 5:31; Col 3:13; Jer 31:34; Ps 130:4) and "Savior of the world" (John 4:42; Isa 43:3). The apostles also taught that "Christ Jesus ... is to judge the living and the dead" (2 Tim 4:1). All of these titles are given to Yahweh in the OT and to Jesus in the New.

Do you subscribe to the "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

To deny that doctrine will open up a can of worms, I agree. So that's why many Christians do agree with that doctrine. But does the NT agree? Here, St Paul will play the devil's advocate.

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus is the true vine we are the branches
We need to stay connected to the vine in order to bear fruit
The Father is the gardener
Those branches that fell are taken away to be burnt

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DVxnRVI5KmU?s...435zddSa9T

[pinkpanther]

Man does not live on bread alone but by every words that proceeds from the mouth of God
Like a double edged sword that pierce thru the soul mind n spirit
God speaks to you thru the bible,dreams,visions.
If you hears none or see none you r on the wrong path.

Accept a sinless or accept a super sinful...this is a no brainer ..

Only an ex moslem speaks a truth

https://youtube.com/shorts/jWjiI9syWT4?s...Kz6qE8Hnrb

[Ali Imran]

The reaction of the Jews around Jesus show that they clearly understood these things to be blasphemous claims for a mere man to make. It's one thing to claim to be God; it's quite another to get other monotheistic Jews to believe it. Along with Jesus's own claim to be God, His disciples believed in His Deity very strongly.

You should not use the Pharisees to argue for your faith. They were Jesus's enemies and they accused him of all sorts of things. You would reject all the other accusations against Jesus the Pharisees made. But you will readily stand with them when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Why? The answer is clear.

But again, did Jesus deny their accusation? Did he counter their accusation with an argument? Yes and yes. 

So there, Jesus never once said "I am God". And when the Pharisees accused him of claiming to be God, he rejected it. Who told you to believe Jesus is God?

[Lukongsimi]

If u r unsaved n hear Jesus said “I am God” on judgement day u r finished
Too late!

[Lukongsimi]

unbelievers are believed to wait a thousand years after the return of Christ before being resurrected and judged, while believers are believed to reign with Christ during that millennium

[Ali Imran]

If u r unsaved n hear Jesus said “I am God” on judgement day u r finished
Too late!

Putting a servant of God as equal to God is a great sin and God's wrath will be upon you. Remember, the Lord your God is a jealous God, according to the OT.

[pinkpanther]

What's wrong with a moslem brain? Always faulty?
Jesus did claim to be God..

John 10:25-33 (NIV)

25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father's name testify about me.
26 But you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one."
31 Again, his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.
32 But Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere human, claim to be God."

Even the Pharisees recognized that Jesus claimed to be God! Who else can grant eternal life? Who can be one with the Father? Can any Moslem or prophet assert that they are one with Allah? Is Allah considered a Father in any way? Can Allah have a Son? If you answer "No," then that supports the idea that Jesus is not a Moslem and raises questions about the reliability of the Quran.

[Ali Imran]

If u r unsaved n hear Jesus said “I am God” on judgement day u r finished
Too late!

Let's assume Jesus is God and I don't believe Jesus is God.

I have a very good defense. I don't believe Jesus is God because of what Jesus said in John 17:3. Jesus will be my witness.

[Lukongsimi]

That is what your Koran says not the Bible
U r already condemned for mocking God as man

[pinkpanther]

If u r unsaved n hear Jesus said “I am God” on judgement day u r finished
Too late!

Fried goreng pisang is their final destination

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
John 14/9..

[Ali Imran]

That is what your Koran says not the Bible
U r already condemned for mocking God as man

No, the Quran didn't say God is a jealous God. That is found in the Bible. 

I've also quoted a few verses from Isaiah and you ignored them because the verses defeat your argument. In those verses, God made it known EXPLICITLY that God has no partners. You said God has 2 partners.

So you need to be careful and think hard. You only have 1 life.

[pinkpanther]

A humbled Human Jesus submits and pray to His Father in heaven...John 17:3...it doesnt take away that Jesus is still God

[Ali Imran]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
John 14/9..

Posting that verse means you have no more arguments. That is your last resort.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
John 14/9..

The verses are very clear...why try to flip flop roti prata leh

[Lukongsimi]

The verses are very clear...why try to flip flop roti prata leh

He hates that verses 😂

[Lukongsimi]

A humbled Human Jesus submits and pray to His Father in heaven...John 17:3...it doesnt take away that Jesus is still God

Yes they are connected as one God😊

[pinkpanther]

Yes they are connected as one God😊

Must read the whole context...cannot just pick and choose...

[Lukongsimi]

Many moslems have seen the truth n turn to Christ to save their soul
They are indeed blessed
Left the cowpeh cowbu they ones v stubborn
Can’t be help it’s their choice