[Ali Imran]

You should say it's God's grace we're spared from all these natural disasters lah!  Never take His grace for granted hor!

When you say that, you are also saying that the many people who were not spared from these natural disasters were not under God's grace.

Cannot say like that pengyu.

[pinkpanther]

Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?


There is a great deal of confusion regarding this question. The concept that Jesus went to hell after His death on the cross comes primarily from the Apostles’ Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scripture passages that, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.



In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades, which also refers to “the place of the dead.” The New Testament indicates that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11–15 makes a clear distinction between hades and the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades, then, is a temporary place. Many people refer to both hades and the lake of fire as “hell,” and this causes confusion. Jesus did not go to a place of torment after His death, but He did go to hades.

Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions—a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol, or paradise. (Some believe, based on a particular interpretation of Ephesians 4:8–10, that Jesus took believers with Him from sheol to another place of bliss that we now call heaven. More likely, Ephesians 4 refers to the ascension of Christ.) All the unbelieving dead go to the cursed side of hades to await the final judgment. All the believing dead go to the blessed side of hades to await the resurrection. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Jesus’ own words, He went to the blessed region of sheol.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10–11 as translated in the King James Version: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will see you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7–9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ’s struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin that He asked to pass from Him (Matthew 26:39).

As Jesus neared death, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to hades (the place of the dead). Jesus did not go to “hell” or the suffering side of hades; He went to “Abraham’s side” or the blessed side of hades. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus didn't just get zapped by Allah...my frens 

[pinkpanther]

Moslems argue that Jesus was a Moslem because of how he prayed and how he submitted to one God. In a similar vein, we can also say that Muhammad was a Christian as he learned a great deal from the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus spoke about giving to those in need, while Muhammad established almsgiving (Zakat)

Jesus taught to forgive others, even one's enemies, while Muhammad also preached the value of forgiving those who wronged you.

Jesus gathered disciples and preached community, while Muhammad built a community of believers (Ummah) and emphasized brotherhood among Muslims

Both Jesus and Muhammad taught about the afterlife and the importance of living a righteous life in preparation for it. They both warned about judgment and the consequences of one's actions.

Love, particularly for one's neighbors, is a strong theme in Jesus' teachings. Similarly, Muhammad emphasized compassion and kindness to others, including non-believers and those in need.

So Muhammad was in line with what Jesus taught and he was indeed a Christian

[S I M T A N]

Lucky we are situated in this safe tiny dot

You should say it's God's grace we're spared from all these natural disasters lah!  Never take His grace for granted hor!

Earthquakes are among the worst natural disasters. We're very fortunate that we aren't situated in an earthquake zone, and are protected by our neighboring countries from destructive tropical storms like typhoons. A devastating earthquake will jolt one out of a sound sleep. When that happens you awaken suddenly in pitch blackness, with everything around you trembling and a loud noise more frightening than thunder at its mightiest roaring in your ears.

Disasters, violence or accidents can occur anywhere. The point is to pray and trust God to answer. Being a prayerful person doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen to us or that we'll never experience pain. We will, because pain is a part of life in this fallen world. But the Bible assures us that our prayers play a vital part in keeping us or our loved ones out of harm's way. And when a painful thing does happen we'll be protected in the midst of it, and it'll be to our betterment and not our destruction.

A simple prayer of one living in an earthquake zone can be something like this: "Lord, I pray that there would not be an earthquake. But if there is one, I pray that we'll not be here. Even so, Lord, if it's Your will for us to be here, I pray that You will protect us in it."

"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling" (Psalm 46:1-3).

[S I M T A N]

You should say it's God's grace we're spared from all these natural disasters lah!  Never take His grace for granted hor!

When you say that, you are also saying that the many people who were not spared from these natural disasters were not under God's grace.

Cannot say like that pengyu.

You can take it as read that the "we" in CKPM's sentence means all the city-state's inhabitants, with no disrespect for others. Somehow you're just imagining things.

[S I M T A N]

I've shown you the ambiguity of the verses you cited to support your belief about Jesus. Even now, you're still bringing only ambiguous verses.

The Jews are still expecting the Messiah to appear, having already rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Ask any learned Jews about the Messiah they are expecting. Is it going to be God incarnate or a man appointed by God to be the Messiah? They will tell you it is the latter. They don't believe the Messiah is God. The OT verses you quoted to support your claim don't correlate with them. They reject your interpretation of Isaiah.

The peasants of that time and place were Jewish people. They would never, not in a million years, think that a walking and talking man is God. 

When Peter addressed the public on the day of Pentecost, he referred to Jesus as a man, not God. If you say Peter believed Jesus is God, that means Peter was not giving the correct information about Jesus to the public, and from the small piece of misinformation, they will all be thrown into hell for not believing Jesus is God. Why would Peter hide that vital piece of information from the people?

I noticed quite a number of your arguments that Jesus isn't God is based on the say-so of people, whoever they might be. Their opinions seem to carry a lot of weight with you. Together with your own opinions, taken from isolated scriptures and taken out of context, these unorthodox views were then preached as the gospel truth.

You keep rejecting the cornerstone on which the Bible - and all truth, incl the divinity of Christ - is built despite the abundant supporting texts. If you won't accept anything as evidence of a truth claim, then you've a bias that will not accept anything as evidence. You're clearly showing a disrespect for Biblical evidence.

[cheekopekman]

Earthquakes are among the worst natural disasters. We're very fortunate that we aren't situated in an earthquake zone, and are protected by our neighboring countries from destructive tropical storms like typhoons. A devastating earthquake will jolt one out of a sound sleep. When that happens you awaken suddenly in pitch blackness, with everything around you trembling and a loud noise more frightening than thunder at its mightiest roaring in your ears.

Disasters, violence or accidents can occur anywhere. The point is to pray and trust God to answer. Being a prayerful person doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen to us or that we'll never experience pain. We will, because pain is a part of life in this fallen world. But the Bible assures us that our prayers play a vital part in keeping us or our loved ones out of harm's way. And when a painful thing does happen we'll be protected in the midst of it, and it'll be to our betterment and not our destruction.

A simple prayer of one living in an earthquake zone can be something like this: "Lord, I pray that there would not be an earthquake. But if there is one, I pray that we'll not be here. Even so, Lord, if it's Your will for us to be here, I pray that You will protect us in it."

"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling" (Psalm 46:1-3).

You can take it as read that the "we" in CKPM's sentence means all the city-state's inhabitants, with no disrespect for others. Somehow you're just imagining things.

A preacher said, during his sermon in church, that Grace is on the Palm of God's hand and Mercy is on the other side lah!  God gives us grace as a gift which we don't deserve but we deserve to die and God shows us His mercy by facing the back of His hand on us lah! What do you think about this message leh?

[Lukongsimi]

“He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in Him I will trust.” Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler And from the perilous pestilence. He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler. You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, Nor of the arrow that flies by day, Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday. A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you. Only with your eyes shall you look, And see the reward of the wicked. Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place, No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling; For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways. In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone. You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra, The young lion and the serpent you shall trample underfoot. “Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name. He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him. With long life I will satisfy him, And show him My salvation.””
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭91‬:‭1‬-‭16‬ ‭NKJV

[cheekopekman]

Yes lah...It is through God's mercy that He has protected us and kept us safe from natural disasters, allowing us to gather here and share His teachings with our Moslem and non Christian brothers....

Yeshua Akbar..

Recently my church collected and sent money and relief aids to Gaza victims lah!  Another collection is going to Myanmar quake victims soon lah!

[pinkpanther]

Recently my church collected and sent money and relief aids to Gaza victims lah!  Another collection is going to Myanmar quake victims soon lah!

Israelis are also Gaza victims 
Do they get to share with the Palestine victims?

[cheekopekman]

Israelis are also Gaza victims 
Do they get to share with the Palestine victims?

We just sent to them lah!  How they share is up to them lah! Maybe some might end up in wrong hands lah!

[pinkpanther]

We just sent to them lah!  How they share is up to them lah! Maybe some might end up in wrong hands lah!

Hamas would like to thank you for your generous support  ...they can use the donation money to upgrade their weapons..

[cheekopekman]

Hamas would like to thank you for your generous support  ...they can use the donation money to upgrade their weapons..

This is part of our mission works lah!  More on the way lah!

[pinkpanther]

You can take it as read that the "we" in CKPM's sentence means all the city-state's inhabitants, with no disrespect for others. Somehow you're just imagining things.

He's not just a great imaginative thinker  I've heard he's also quite skilled at time traveling back to the past. If a psychologist were to evaluate him, they would likely consider placing him in a mental hospital...

[pinkpanther]

I noticed quite a number of your arguments that Jesus isn't God is based on the say-so of people, whoever they might be. Their opinions seem to carry a lot of weight with you. Together with your own opinions, taken from isolated scriptures and taken out of context, these unorthodox views were then preached as the gospel truth.

You keep rejecting the cornerstone on which the Bible - and all truth, incl the divinity of Christ - is built despite the abundant supporting texts. If you won't accept anything as evidence of a truth claim, then you've a bias that will not accept anything as evidence. You're clearly showing a disrespect for Biblical evidence.

I couldn't agree with you more. This is precisely why I'm not speaking to him...he has disrespected our scriptures and his own article of faith, which calls for him to respect and believe in our scriptures.

[pinkpanther]

This is part of our mission works lah!  More on the way lah!

Free Israel..stop sending all the goodies to Hamas

[Ali Imran]

You can take it as read that the "we" in CKPM's sentence means all the city-state's inhabitants, with no disrespect for others. Somehow you're just imagining things.

Yes, I know who the "we" is. That is not the issue. Saying we are spared from natural disasters because God is gracious to us automatically means God is not as gracious to those who are not spared.

[Ali Imran]

I noticed quite a number of your arguments that Jesus isn't God is based on the say-so of people, whoever they might be. Their opinions seem to carry a lot of weight with you. Together with your own opinions, taken from isolated scriptures and taken out of context, these unorthodox views were then preached as the gospel truth.

You keep rejecting the cornerstone on which the Bible - and all truth, incl the divinity of Christ - is built despite the abundant supporting texts. If you won't accept anything as evidence of a truth claim, then you've a bias that will not accept anything as evidence. You're clearly showing a disrespect for Biblical evidence.

John 10:36, or John 17:3, or John 20:17 are examples of verses that are attributed to Jesus.

In my latest argument, I am also including what Peter said because it is recorded in the NT. Even so, Peter was a direct disciple of Jesus. He said Jesus was a man. He didn't say Jesus is God. If your faith is true, why would Peter hide that vital piece of information from the people? 

On the flip side, you have used the words of the Pharisees to bolster your claim that Jesus is God.

[Lukongsimi]

“He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.16.15-17.NKJV

[pinkpanther]

Peter didn't say Jesus was God? Hello Habibi..you don read enough

In Acts 4:12,This is Peter speaking "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

This clearly affirms Jesus' exclusive role as the Savior..

[Lukongsimi]

“And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.””
‭‭John‬ ‭20‬:‭28‬-‭29‬ ‭NKJV

[Lukongsimi]

“Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? 
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭8‬-‭NKJV

[Lukongsimi]

If Jesus is just a man
His grave will not be empty

[Ali Imran]

“Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? 
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭8‬-‭NKJV

Did Philip immediately think "Jesus is God" when he heard Jesus say those words?

[Ali Imran]

If Jesus is just a man
He is still inside his grave today

What if he didn't die? There would be no grave, correct?

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/Xqj8SSqittU?si=UPU3L3y8DfdKwMSm

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus died and resurrected lah

[Ali Imran]

Jesus died and resurrected lah

That is what you believe. We don't believe that. 

In one messianic Psalm (Psalm 91), we read that the Messiah will always have protection from his enemies, including the satanic devil. No harm can come to him. That should be interesting for you if you want to know the truth.

If you believe Jesus was flogged by the Romans, that is going against what the scriptures say about the promised Messiah. That is why the believers of the scriptures containing the messianic verses, the Jews, don't believe Jesus is the Messiah because they still think Jesus was harmed and killed, disqualifying him as the Messiah.

[pinkpanther]

If you don believe that Jesus died...then show me from your Quran that the Messiah is protected from his enemies...why are you referring to the Bible to argue that Jesus didn't die and was saved?

In the New Testament, Jesus foretold His death three times directly. If you think He is lying, that could be considered blasphemous.