[Lukongsimi]

He is saying he is just like a 7 year old kid unable to understand the bible but can understand the Koran.

[pinkpanther]

He is saying he is just like a 7 year old kid unable to understand the bible but can understand the Koran.

[S I M T A N]

We already agree on the issue of grace. We are dependent on God's grace for our salvation. 

I repeat the question. How do we get on God's gracious side? Do you have a clear and easy answer? By easy, I mean a 7-year-old can understand.

It's tragic that one of the loveliest words of the NT should be the subject of controversy. As you may recall, we had a previous disagreement in another theological thread over the word "grace," with OYK chiming in and making himself heard loud and clear. You seem unable to draw a distinction between doing something to deserve grace and doing something to receive grace. We both know "grace" for Muslims is an expression of Allah's mercy shown to His followers sans Christ, but human activity is involved, such as rule-keeping and obedience to God's laws so as to curry God's favour. For Christian believers, grace is particularly linked to the Saviour and to salvation. I'll try to make our concept of "receiving grace" easier for seven-year-olds to understand, and will write in the first-person singular.

As part of the process of being saved, I was given new, spiritual life, which enabled me to confess my sins and place my trust and hope in Jesus. This is what the Bible calls being "born again." The Spirit of God made me alive when I was spiritually dead in my sins and totally helpless. I thank Him for His grace. I'm no longer powerless and enslaved to sin.

As a result of my initial trust in Christ, my sins were forgiven because Jesus died to pay the penalty for those sins. But there's even more - I'm now viewed by God as if I've lived a perfect life, because Jesus lived a perfect life in my place. Not only has my debt been erased, but I've been given all of Christ's assets - His righteousness, so I can step off the treadmill of perfectionism and enjoy freedom. God forgave my sins and treats me as righteous because He loves me. I thank Him for His grace. I'm fully accepted by God and don't have to curry His favour.

At the very moment that I trusted in Christ, I was "adopted" by God. I've moved out of the courthouse, where He sits as Judge, and I've been welcomed into the family home, where He embraces me as my Father. I've also become part of a large family of brothers and sisters who are all united to Jesus - the body of Christ. And the Holy Spirit is within me, enabling me to talk to God as my Father day by day. I thank Him for His grace.

Now that God has adopted me, He's committed to sanctifying me. He has given me the Holy Spirit, who gives me a new power and ability to fight sin
through the practice of daily repentance and faith. Many's the time the path is slow and difficult; at other times I experience "growth spurts." Although I often stumble and need to come to God for forgiveness, He will grant it. He won't give up on me. He's changing me because He loves me. I thank Him for His grace. I'm no longer preprogrammed to sin. I don't need to stay stuck, I can change!

God is going to finish what He started in me (Phil 1:6). I'm in a spiritual war that won't end until I die or Jesus returns (Eph 6:10-18). My enemies are the world (the world around us that is at odds with God), the flesh (remaining sin in me that's not yet completely eradicated), and the devil (the one who would love to derail my faith). But those who truly belong to Jesus will never be defeated. No one can snatch me from the Father's hand once I belong to Him (John 10:28). So I take courage as I continue to fight the good fight. I thank Him for His grace. God is working in me to enable me to persevere until the very end.

I've His promise that one day I'll be completely transformed into the glorious likeness of Jesus. I'll spend eternity in the company of the true and living God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) as well as  with my brothers and sisters in Christ, in a wonderful new creation. One day, all traces of sin will be done away with and joy will be all that remains! God will wipe away every tear and completely eradicate sin and suffering because He loves me. I thank Him for His grace.

[S I M T A N]

He is saying he is just like a 7 year old kid unable to understand the bible but can understand the Koran.

He may have asked a seemingly naive question, but he's by no means naive about the doctrinal differences between our faiths. In fact, he knows the Bible well enough to expose the "chinks" in Its armor. He's an antagonist of the Christian faith who's always zeroing in on our core beliefs.

[pinkpanther]

If he wants to be treated like a 7-year-old, we should at least respect his choice. SimTan, next time, just respond to him using simple, childlike language.

[Lukongsimi]

He may have asked a seemingly naive question, but he's by no means naive about the doctrinal differences between our faiths. In fact, he knows the Bible well enough to expose the "chinks" in Its armor. He's an antagonist of the Christian faith who's always zeroing in on our core beliefs.

Right 
That was why I ignore him 
He will never want to lose in his arguments against the Bible 
Law,trinity n one God are his targets 
But he can’t win if to argue against the Koran that was why he ignored pink 
😝

[Ali Imran]

Right 
That was why I ignore him 
He will never want to lose in his arguments against the Bible 
Law,trinity n one God are his targets 
But he can’t win if to argue against the Koran that was why he ignored pink 
😝

Hullo pengyu

That's not the reason why I ignore that ignoramus. 

He said a very heinous lie about my prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, and since then, I have ignored him. Please tell the truth, always.

[Ali Imran]

He may have asked a seemingly naive question, but he's by no means naive about the doctrinal differences between our faiths. In fact, he knows the Bible well enough to expose the "chinks" in Its armor. He's an antagonist of the Christian faith who's always zeroing in on our core beliefs.

The focus is on the core tenets. If these tenets are faulty, we don't need to go into any details.

That's why our discussions have generally been on the Trinity and the issue of salvation.

[pinkpanther]

Right 
That was why I ignore him 
He will never want to lose in his arguments against the Bible 
Law,trinity n one God are his targets 
But he can’t win if to argue against the Koran that was why he ignored pink 
😝

Hullo pengyu

That's not the reason why I ignore that buffoon. 

He said many untruth about the scriptures and  my God Jesus  ישוע (Yeshua) and since then, I have ignored him. Please tell the truth, always..

He put too much emphasis on defending a messenger who is not divine, and this certainly does not align him with God's grace...

His years of developing prudences to negativity seem nothing but a facade, especially when contrasted with Hope, who is much more open to the opinions of others...

[pinkpanther]

When Oyk insulted his mother on multiple occasions, he demonstrated tolerance but still chose to engage him eventually. However, if someone says something negative about his prophet, he immediately boycotts that person. His mother has been in his life all along, yet he never chose to defend her while he defends a prophet he has never seen or known. What a joke! His priorities are completely misplaced.

[cheekopekman]

He may have asked a seemingly naive question, but he's by no means naive about the doctrinal differences between our faiths. In fact, he knows the Bible well enough to expose the "chinks" in Its armor. He's an antagonist of the Christian faith who's always zeroing in on our core beliefs.

If he wants to be treated like a 7-year-old, we should at least respect his choice. SimTan, next time, just respond to him using simple, childlike language.

It's good for people to ask questions lah!  They want to know more so if you know the answers tell them lah! Why must ignore people leh?  Jesus never ignored anyone with any questions leh! Nicodemus the Pharisee came to Jesus in the middle of the night and the Lord told him about being born again lah! "How can a man be born again?" Nicodemus asked.

[Lukongsimi]

Hullo pengyu

That's not the reason why I ignore that buffoon. 

He said many untruth about the scriptures and  my God Jesus  ישוע (Yeshua) and since then, I have ignored him. Please tell the truth, always..

He put too much emphasis on defending a messenger who is not divine, and this certainly does not align him with God's grace...

His years of developing prudences to negativity seem nothing but a facade, especially when contrasted with Hope, who is much more open to the opinions of others...

He can insult our saviour but not his prophet 
Unfair!

[Lukongsimi]

It's good for people to ask questions lah!  They want to know more so if you know the answers tell them lah! Why must ignore people leh?  Jesus never ignored anyone with any questions leh! Nicodemus the Pharisee came to Jesus in the middle of the night and the Lord told him about being born again lah! "How can a man be born again?" Nicodemus asked.

He asked u questions n u told him u don’t want to argue 
Saying u don’t want to lose a fren so it’s that same as ignore?

[pinkpanther]

He asked u questions n u told him u don’t want to argue 
Saying u don’t want to lose a fren so it’s that same as ignore?

 throw back the question back to ckpm..

[pinkpanther]

He can insult our saviour but not his prophet 
Unfair!

He can insult man but don insult God..Jesus is God
Don believe in just one verse and not the rest...
I have told him many times

[cheekopekman]

He asked u questions n u told him u don’t want to argue 
Saying u don’t want to lose a fren so it’s that same as ignore?

 throw back the question back to ckpm..

I admit I don't have the right answer lah!  Maybe you have lah!

[Ali Imran]

He can insult our saviour but not his prophet 
Unfair!

Please show where I ever insulted Jesus, the son of Mary, peace be upon him.

I don't believe he is God. Do you find that insulting? 

You don't believe Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was a prophet of God. I'm okay with that.

[pinkpanther]

Who says it isn't insulting? You selectively interpret Biblical texts to fit your agenda, which is disrespectful to our Lord and Savior. Expecting us to accept your irresponsible comments is unreasonable....

Similarly, I could argue that we have never disrespected Muhammad or Islam... We simply read and arrive at our own conclusions... You cannot declare what we say is a lie, as you have never met Muhammad, and he has never come forward to clarify any misconceptions...

[Lukongsimi]

Nicodemus story is different
He listened and never rebut back saying all kinds of childish things like a 7 years old kid

https://youtu.be/BsFENV4zn1g?feature=shared

[Lukongsimi]

Since we got a 7 years old pachik here
Let’s share  kids learning corner
https://youtu.be/2T5gAXoerjw

[pinkpanther]

Since we got a 7 years old pachik here
Let’s share  kids learning corner
https://youtu.be/2T5gAXoerjw

I can imagine that Moslem beaming with joy, clapping his hands in excitement as he clicks on this video

[Lukongsimi]

I can imagine that Moslem beaming with joy, clapping his hands in excitement as he clicks on this video

That was what he wanted mah 
😊

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/gMOZRp6_HVY?feature=shared

[pinkpanther]

I admit I don't have the right answer lah!  Maybe you have lah!

What if some one from your mission trip ask you a question that you can't answe?

[pinkpanther]

That was what he wanted mah 
😊

[pinkpanther]

How come so many guests in the thread....election coming or just bots? They are in the wrong thread

[Lukongsimi]

How come so many guests in the thread....election coming or just bots? They are in the wrong thread

They are looking for God at this perilous time not who is gg to be the next Govt.
lol

[pinkpanther]

They are looking for God at this perilous time not who is gg to be the next Govt.
lol

I believe many of them are fans of SimTan, eagerly anticipating how he will undermine his Moslem counterpart, reducing him to a state where he begs to be treated like a 7-year-old. It's evident that the Moslem is somewhat exhausted or gas out, as indicated by his half baked poorly thought-out questions...

[Lukongsimi]

6.2 mag earthquake has hit Istanbul 

https://youtu.be/bc-635aQ-9Q?si=NgzdMsUkqzXHYl7n

[Lukongsimi]

Earthquake rocks NSW 

https://youtu.be/GyC-MMqtwBs?si=xGJYqBKUPKTSZZ-E