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pinkpanther · 06-05-2025, 04:07 PM

Don play semantics lah..

I can also attack this "I bear witness that there is no God but Allah"

So there was no God before Allah? So the God of Judaism and Christianity is not God since it is not Allah?

Ali Imran · 06-05-2025, 04:24 PM

(06-05-2025, 03:59 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: Jesus is right that the Father is the only true God lah! Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." What do you understand by that statement leh?

Jesus also said the disciples will be one with Jesus and the Father.

So, whatever that "are one" means, it also means the disciples will also be the same.

Now, what do you think Jesus meant when he said "I and the Father are one"?

cheekopekman · 06-05-2025, 07:11 PM

(06-05-2025, 04:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus also said the disciples will be one with Jesus and the Father.

So, whatever that "are one" means, it also means the disciples will also be the same.

Now, what do you think Jesus meant when he said "I and the Father are one"?

You got a point also lah! Big Grin

Ali Imran · 06-05-2025, 07:32 PM

(06-05-2025, 07:11 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: You got a point also lah!

Thank you.

pinkpanther · 06-05-2025, 07:52 PM

(06-05-2025, 07:11 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: You got a point also lah!

Take away the point lah

The fact that Jesus speaks of the disciples also being "one" suggests that the "oneness" he shares with the Father, while unique in its divine nature, also serves as a model for the kind of unity that should exist among believers. This unity among disciples is not about becoming divine themselves, but about:

Unity in Faith: Believing in the same God and the same Gospel.

Unity in Love: Loving one another as Jesus loved them.

Unity in Mission: Working together to spread the message of the Kingdom of God.

Unity in Spirit: Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which connects them to God and to each other

When Jesus says "I and the Father are one," He is conveying a profound truth about his relationship with God.

The fact that He desires his disciples to share in a form of this "oneness" highlights the transformative power of their relationship with him and their call to unity in faith and action

S I M T A N · 07-05-2025, 12:14 AM

(06-05-2025, 09:49 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Not just the Muslims. The followers of Judaism also don't believe that God is a Trinity. Ask Rabbi Tovia Singer if you don't believe me.

I heard Hindus have the same belief. They believe God is a Trinity, albeit a Trimurti. You have no reason to doubt the faith of the Hindus because they also believe God can incarnate into a man, just like your faith.

You're a doctrine person, now needing the likes of Rabbi Singer and Judaism in your corner. It seems that the say-so of other people carries a lot of weight with you. I don't blame you for having to rely heavily on the words of others in your arguments, given that you've no mystical relationship with God to speak of. Islam has no fatherly concept of God, and Allah is seen more as a remote judge who's not personally involved with mankind. Islam isn't about fellowship with God, but service, submission, and living obediently to God's laws.

The God of the Bible, on the other hand, offers mankind a personal relationship of great intimacy. For us doctrine alone isn't enough. Every doctrine of the NT centers in the Person of Jesus. Salvation requires a Savior, sanctification requires a Sanctifier, healing requires a Healer and so on. It's not enough to have the doctrine; the doctrine must bring us into relationship with the Person.

When one turns to God, put his faith in Jesus, and is born again, God will give him a new heart with new desires (Eze 36:25-27; 2 Cor 5:17; Eph 4 :22-24). We know that corruption is progressive and irreversible. We know too that any attempt to redeem society without changing people is doomed to failure. So what's God plan for is people?

God won't patch up the 'old man.' He'll produce a new creation. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God" (2 Cor 5:17-18). Something new has happened that only God creates. Man can reform, man can improve, but only God can create. This is something God has to do for us and in us; we cannot do it ourselves.

The most profound resource that we've as Christians is a personal relationship with God where we enjoy His favor and love. Because of Jesus's life, death, and resurrection, we have a totally new identity and perspective. As part of the process of being made alive or regenerated (Eph 2:4-5), we were given new, spiritual life, which enabled us to confess our sins and place our trust and hope in Jesus. This is what the Bible calls being "born again." The Spirit of God made us alive when we were spiritually dead in our sins and utterly helpless.

I'll be on sabbatical tomorrow, and will resume posting on my return home some two weeks later. As a parting shot, here's a verse to ponder over: "Taste and see that the Lord is good" (Psalm 34:8). Sincere believers have obeyed the command and put the dependent promise to a successful test.
Will you?

Ali Imran · 07-05-2025, 08:34 AM

(07-05-2025, 12:14 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: You're a doctrine person, now needing the likes of Rabbi Singer and Judaism in your corner. It seems that the say-so of other people carries a lot of weight with you. I don't blame you for having to rely heavily on the words of others in your arguments, given that you've no mystical relationship with God to speak of. Islam has no fatherly concept of God, and Allah is seen more as a remote judge who's not personally involved with mankind. Islam isn't about fellowship with God, but service, submission, and living obediently to God's laws.

The God of the Bible, on the other hand, offers mankind a personal relationship of great intimacy. For us doctrine alone isn't enough. Every doctrine of the NT centers in the Person of Jesus. Salvation requires a Savior, sanctification requires a Sanctifier, healing requires a Healer and so on. It's not enough to have the doctrine; the doctrine must bring us into relationship with the Person.

When one turns to God, put his faith in Jesus, and is born again, God will give him a new heart with new desires (Eze 36:25-27; 2 Cor 5:17; Eph 4 :22-24). We know that corruption is progressive and irreversible. We know too that any attempt to redeem society without changing people is doomed to failure. So what's God plan for is people?

God won't patch up the 'old man.' He'll produce a new creation. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God" (2 Cor 5:17-18). Something new has happened that only God creates. Man can reform, man can improve, but only God can create. This is something God has to do for us and in us; we cannot do it ourselves.

The most profound resource that we've as Christians is a personal relationship with God where we enjoy His favor and love. Because of Jesus's life, death, and resurrection, we have a totally new identity and perspective. As part of the process of being made alive or regenerated (Eph 2:4-5), we were given new, spiritual life, which enabled us to confess our sins and place our trust and hope in Jesus. This is what the Bible calls being "born again." The Spirit of God made us alive when we were spiritually dead in our sins and utterly helpless.

I'll be on sabbatical tomorrow, and will resume posting on my return home some two weeks later. As a parting shot, here's a verse to ponder over: "Taste and see that the Lord is good" (Psalm 34:8). Sincere believers have obeyed the command and put the dependent promise to a successful test.
Will you?

When King David spoke about the Lord, did he mean Jesus or the Father? I ask because you believe the former is Lord and the latter is God, according to Paul.

Ali Imran · 07-05-2025, 08:41 AM

I hope LKSM is okay. I haven't heard from him in a few days already.

pinkpanther · 07-05-2025, 10:06 AM

Hope has been missing since the start of Puasa...why didnt you activate a search party ..is he in barzahk?

pinkpanther · 07-05-2025, 10:18 AM

(07-05-2025, 12:14 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: You're a doctrine person, now needing the likes of Rabbi Singer and Judaism in your corner. It seems that the say-so of other people carries a lot of weight with you. I don't blame you for having to rely heavily on the words of others in your arguments, given that you've no mystical relationship with God to speak of.

He seems to only quote people who agree with him. Why doesn't he consider Sir Winston Churchill's views on Islam?

Lukongsimi · 07-05-2025, 12:34 PM

Boring lah debate with same people so I Mia loh

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