Scripture readings for Christmas

(18-05-2025, 06:57 AM)Hope Wrote:  We Muslims including prophet Muhammad have not seen the original Torah and Injeel given to Moses and Jesus.

Bible is not from Allah or Yahweh

Using your logic, you have not seen the original Quran...How can you be sure it is from Allah?

If the Torah and Injeel are not original, why did Allah ask Muhammad to check with the people of the books if he is in doubts...
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(18-05-2025, 09:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Using your logic, you have not seen the original Quran...How can you be sure it is from Allah?

If the Torah and Injeel are not original, why did Allah ask Muhammad to check with the people of the books if he is in doubts...

Since the revelations of Quran, it was memorised, written and recited again and again daily.can you claim the same with your bibles?

What did Allah ask Prophet Muhammad to check with Jews and Christian?
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(18-05-2025, 08:22 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hebrews1:8-12

 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a]

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
    they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
    like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
    and your years will never end
Who wrote the Hebrew?

Yahweh?
Jesus?
Paul?
Anonymous Author?
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(18-05-2025, 08:51 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The term "God" is used loosely in the Bible. Satan is called God. 

The Father also said the judges are Gods.

God is not a proper word for creator of this universe.

God also has goddesses.
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(18-05-2025, 01:21 PM)Hope Wrote:  Who wrote the Hebrew?

Yahweh?
Jesus?
Paul?
Anonymous Author?

According to Islam..Allah is the author of His books Big Grin
Nothing of the words of Allah is created. He spoke the Torah, the Gospel, the Quran and the Zabur in a real sense. Similarly, not a single letter of the Quran is created.
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(18-05-2025, 08:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  A key part of the Articles of Faith, particularly within Islam, involves belief in previous scriptures like the Torah and the Bible. Muslims believe God revealed holy books to various prophets, including the Torah to Moses, the Psalms to David, and the Gospel to Jesus. 

If you don believe in the Bible ..why so many moslems come to the Bible to justify the coming of Muhammad including your friend? Is he really a moslem? Big Grin

Again we don’t believe in the bible which is a collection of books written by over 27 writers.

Yes ,we believe scrolls(Abraham)Psalm(David)Torah (Moses)Injeel ( Jesus) “WERE REVEALED “ to them.we are not bound to follow those as Quran supersede all of them.

Quran supersedes Injeel, Torah, Psalm, scrolls 
Injeel supersede Torah,Psalm, scrolls
Torah supersede Psalm, scrolls
Psalm supersede scrolls
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(18-05-2025, 01:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  Since the revelations of Quran, it was memorised, written and recited again and again daily.can you claim the same with your bibles?

What did Allah ask Prophet Muhammad to check with Jews and Christian?

Before the Bible as we know it was compiled, early Christians relied on oral traditions passed down from the followers of Christ, including the apostles. Early Christians often recited passages of Scripture, particularly from the Psalms. 

in Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:68), Allah commands the Prophet and believers to ask the People of the Book to produce any evidence or knowledge that supports their beliefs, emphasizing the importance of verifying claims through divine guidance and scripture.
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(18-05-2025, 01:33 PM)Hope Wrote:  Again we don’t believe in the bible which is a collection of books written by over 27 writers.

Yes ,we believe scrolls(Abraham)Psalm(David)Torah (Moses)Injeel ( Jesus) “WERE REVEALED “ to them.we are not bound to follow those as Quran supersede all of them.

Quran supersedes Injeel, Torah, Psalm, scrolls 
Injeel supersede Torah,Psalm, scrolls
Torah supersede Psalm, scrolls
Psalm supersede scrolls

If you don believe in the gospel of Jesus then you are going against Allah...

What the Christians have during Muhammad time is the Bible we have today .nothing more and nothing less... Muhammad asked the Christians to be judged by their own gospel..not the Quran suggesting that the gospel from God is good
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(18-05-2025, 01:24 PM)Hope Wrote:  God is not a proper word for creator of this universe.

God also has goddesses.

We do not have goddess but you have goddess Al-lat.
What does Abu Bakr say about goddess Al-lat? Big Grin
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(18-05-2025, 01:52 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/l0QbBEIXfMk?s...x8iQyK8Ljm

How come you don't have words anymore?
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(18-05-2025, 02:47 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/eTwEAdhfw10?s...l4za2C-qym

Halal pork Laughing
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Shalom! The cheekopekman is back liao lah! Big Grin
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(18-05-2025, 03:25 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Shalom! The cheekopekman is back liao lah! Big Grin

Hello..How many converted? Big Grin
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(18-05-2025, 02:59 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/EAEGrzHnfiM?s...E75KfNEOID

Your God would probably vomit at the sight of people eating pigs.
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(18-05-2025, 04:32 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Keep pigs is good can scared off jinns lol
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According to the Bible, Jesus put demons or allowed them to enter pigs.
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(18-05-2025, 04:13 AM)Hope Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/lA8_e-5yw0M?s...cBdK_ZCcfw



Christian scholar prefer one Gospel instead of four

The 4 gospels are parts and they formed 1 gospel.
And this gospel (singular) is made up of 4 gospels..
So you roughly have an idea of the Trinity? Big Grin
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(18-05-2025, 07:00 AM)Hope Wrote:  Our claim only Injeel is from Allah, not 27 books in your NT

Our claim is that .. since the Hadiths can be fabricated so can the Quran...I believe Allah said that there is only one God but adding Muhammad in the second part of the shahada is human intervention...."innovation"...

There are parts that the Quran is true and many that contradicts the Bible...the Bible is the supreme authority, the big brother over the Quran because the Bible does not need to go to the Quran for any answers and justifications.. Big Grin
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(18-05-2025, 03:47 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hello..How many converted? Big Grin

Attended a gospel rally in Sabah Kota Kinabalu lah! Big Grin Many Muslims and tribal people became Christians lah!
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(18-05-2025, 05:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Attended a gospel rally in Sabah Kota Kinabalu lah! Big Grin Many Muslims and tribal people became Christians lah!

Amazing !
Islam gg downhill Liao

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Moslems don’t know how to preach their religion only know how to attack the Bible
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments directly on mount sinai
While muh received the Koran from an angel in a cave not sure true or not?
So much difference

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