[Ali Imran]

Part of the originals were eaten by a sheep

Can the sheep eat the memory of the hundreds of Hafiz?

[pinkpanther]

No, not the same. 

I speak about the history of the NT, how it came to be, how the errors got in. I learn all that from Christian scholars. 

You want to critique the Quran, and your source is from a Christian who is a known anti-Islam.

So no, not the same.

You're attempting to categorize someone based on your personal preferences, which amounts to prejudice. 

Does that mean an anti-Islam individual has no right to offer an informed opinion? Sam is referencing Islamic sources...all he does is to read them .

Tsk tsk tsk

[Ali Imran]

You're attempting to categorize someone based on your personal preferences, which amounts to prejudice. 

Does that mean an anti-Islam individual has no right to offer an informed opinion? Sam is referencing Islamic sources...all he does is to read them .

Tsk tsk tsk

I'm just telling you that you should learn the Quran from our scholars, not a known anti-Islam youtuber.

[pinkpanther]

I'm just telling you that you should learn the Quran from our scholars, not a known anti-Islam youtuber.

Righto

[Ali Imran]

Righto

In the Quran, verse 4:82, it states that if the Quran is not from God, there would surely be contradictions.

So, if you can find a contradiction, you can prove the Quran is not from God.

And if you cannot find any contradiction, start thinking about hell because you will end up there in the hereafter if you don't believe the warning from God.

[pinkpanther]

And if you cannot find any contradiction, start thinking about hell because you will end up there in the hereafter if you don't believe the warning from God.

Don be so hati busok to come to the conclusion of hell for me ..

Even if Islam is the truth ..then we should meet in heaven eventually because the Islamic hell is temporary even for non believers...

If Christianity is the truth...hell is an everlasting place.

AI

In Islamic belief, Hell (Jahannam) is generally considered a temporary place for all individuals, including non-believers, though the duration of their stay may vary. Muslims believe that even non-believers will eventually be purged of their sins in Hell and granted entry into Paradise, while the duration of their stay is determined by their deeds and faith.

[pinkpanther]

I can only argue on and off today...I have some stuff to handle

[Ali Imran]

Don be so hati busok to come to the conclusion of hell for me ..

Even if Islam is the truth ..then we should meet in heaven eventually because the Islamic hell is temporary even for non believers...

If Christianity is the truth...hell is an everlasting place.

AI

In Islamic belief, Hell (Jahannam) is generally considered a temporary place for all individuals, including non-believers, though the duration of their stay may vary. Muslims believe that even non-believers will eventually be purged of their sins in Hell and granted entry into Paradise, while the duration of their stay is determined by their deeds and faith.

What I cannot do is come to a conclusion for you. I have no idea what is your fate will be at the end of the day.

That warning I gave you is not from me, it is from the Quran.

[Ali Imran]

I can only argue on and off today...I have some stuff to handle

Me too.

Have a good handling.

[pinkpanther]

How is the description of different stages of the  creation of man a contradiction?

The Quran is fully detailed without any guess works...where did it says that it is describing the creation of man in stages

[Ali Imran]

The Quran is fully detailed without any guess works...where did it says that it is describing the creation of man in stages

[pinkpanther]

What I cannot do is come to a conclusion for you. I have no idea what is your fate will be at the end of the day.

That warning I gave you is not from me, it is from the Quran.

The Islamic saying :" Allah wills who He wills"

For me, I have personally experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit and can attest to its truth. Therefore, you can tell me the warnings from the Quran, accepting them requires clear evidence that Allah is the ultimate truth and that Allah is here .. The most straightforward evidence would be the testimonies of His followers, but I have not found any ....

Nevertheless, I am drawn to the concept of a temporary Islamic hell. If Christianity is not the truth and Islam is, it feels like settling for a consolation prize . since heaven seems almost guaranteed.

 If life is a test and everyone ultimately reaches heaven, it raises questions about the true purpose of the test itself.

[pinkpanther]

You see how you need to go to the AI to justify the completeness of the Quran...

The Ai in this case is more detailed than the Quran

[Ali Imran]

You see how you need to go to the AI to justify the completeness of the Quran...

The Ai in this case is more detailed than the Quran

The point is that it is not a contradiction.

Anyhow, read the very first sentence of AI reply. The Quran is not a biology textbook and the Quran describes embryology nicely. No man in the 7th century had that knowledge.

The Quran is from our Creator.

[Ali Imran]

The Islamic saying :" Allah wills who He wills"

For me, I have personally experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit and can attest to its truth. Therefore, you can tell me the warnings from the Quran, accepting them requires clear evidence that Allah is the ultimate truth and that Allah is here .. The most straightforward evidence would be the testimonies of His followers, but I have not found any ....

Nevertheless, I am drawn to the concept of a temporary Islamic hell. If Christianity is not the truth and Islam is, it feels like settling for a consolation prize . since heaven seems almost guaranteed.

 If life is a test and everyone ultimately reaches heaven, it raises questions about the true purpose of the test itself.

How do you know it is the Holy Spirit whose presence you felt?

[pinkpanther]

How do you know it is the Holy Spirit whose presence you felt?

2 pastors prayed and call upon the Holy Spirit to be present in an enclosed place with about 10 non believers...I was one of them..

[Lukongsimi]

Never heard of sheep eats the Bible
This is hilarious

[Lukongsimi]

2 pastors prayed and call upon the Holy Spirit to be present in an enclosed place with about 10 non believers...I was one of them..

I believe you 😊

[pinkpanther]

I believe you 😊

Yes..no incentive to lie..

[pinkpanther]

Can the sheep eat the memory of the hundreds of Hafiz?

Righto...

Aisha (the wife of the Prophet Muhammad) narrates a story about a verse regarding stoning and breastfeeding being revealed, and then being lost when a sheep ate the paper it was written on...

Since hundreds of Hafiz must have memorised and rewritten..
Where can I find the breastfeeding part from the Quran?

[Lukongsimi]

When one is deep into their religion no way they will quit unless Jesus shows them the way
Or they find no life no truth no way in it
Many died without knowing God or not willing to repent

In hell there is no more repentance
Eg the rich man and Lazarus

[Ali Imran]

2 pastors prayed and call upon the Holy Spirit to be present in an enclosed place with about 10 non believers...I was one of them..

How do you know the spirit the pastors summoned was the holy spirit?

[Ali Imran]

Righto...
Aisha (the wife of the Prophet Muhammad) narrates a story about a verse regarding stoning and breastfeeding being revealed, and then being lost when a sheep ate the paper it was written on...
Since hundreds of Hafiz must have memorised and rewritten..
Where can I find the breastfeeding part from the Quran?

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/175355/t...not-saheeh

[Ali Imran]

Yes..no incentive to lie..

I didn't say you lied. I'm sure you felt what you felt. I have no reason to doubt you.

I just want to know how you know that the spirit the pastors summoned was the holy spirit.

[Ali Imran]

2 pastors prayed and call upon the Holy Spirit to be present in an enclosed place with about 10 non believers...I was one of them..

The Hindus will also summon spirits that will give them the strength to carry the Kavadi. Is their spirit real? Apparently, coz they can be poked with hundreds of needles without pain and they have the super strength to carry the heavy Kavadi.

The Chinese traditional religion also speaks of the spirit that roams during the 7th month.

So, all kinds of spirits are abound. How do you know yours is the Holy Spirit?

[pinkpanther]

The point is that it is not a contradiction.

Anyhow, read the very first sentence of AI reply. The Quran is not a biology textbook and the Quran describes embryology nicely. No man in the 7th century had that knowledge.

The Quran is from our Creator.

I don think scholars would come to a concensus about the Quran getting right on the embryology..ancient people might have the knowledge before hand

[pinkpanther]

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/175355/t...not-saheeh

The grading of this particular narrative of Aisha with the mentioning of "goat"  is graded as Hasan . There are other narratives of the same thing without mentioning of "goat" as Sahih hadith

[pinkpanther]

The Hindus will also summon spirits that will give them the strength to carry the Kavadi. Is their spirit real? Apparently, coz they can be poked with hundreds of needles without pain and they have the super strength to carry the heavy Kavadi.

The Chinese traditional religion also speaks of the spirit that roams during the 7th month.

So, all kinds of spirits are abound. How do you know yours is the Holy Spirit?

Simple....you compare what you felt to what the scriptures said...if what the body felt disagree with the scriptures then it cannot be true

[pinkpanther]

I didn't say you lied. I'm sure you felt what you felt. I have no reason to doubt you.

I just want to know how you know that the spirit the pastors summoned was the holy spirit.

It is like me asking you how do you know a Jinn is real if you have never seen or come into contact with one even though your Quran mentions Jinns

[Ali Imran]

I don think scholars would come to a concensus about the Quran getting right on the embryology..ancient people might have the knowledge before hand

Ancient people like Aristotle spoke of human embryology but he got it wrong. Nobody got it right until the 19th century.

The Quran got it right in the 7th century but having said that, we must also add that the Quran is not a biology text book. The purpose of the Quran is not to teach us about embryology. However, the fact that the Quran got it right shows divine knowledge.

Surely a man in the desert in the 7th century who cannot read nor write would not know all the scientific facts abound in the Quran.

The Quran is for people who can think, so says the Quran. Determining the truth requires thinking, not feeling. You felt something in that room with the pastor but you cannot determine if it is the truth.