[pinkpanther]

Pink already said the disciples didn't know at first or even after Jesus has ascended because Peter told the congregation at the Pentecost that Jesus was a man.

So you disagree with Pink? Do you think Pink was wrong?

False assumption

[Ali Imran]

Peter and other disciples acknowledged Jesus as a human being, capable of experiencing emotions, hunger, and fatigue, alongside his divine nature. 

When peter speaks to the congregation..he would have known Jesus's divinity...you are assuming that the disciples only know Jesus divinity towards the end...when they made statements about Jesus's divinity..they already fully knew Jesus was fully man fully God...that's common sense

At the Pentecost, which was after Jesus has ascended, Peter said Jesus was a man to the congregation. 

Why didn't he say Jesus was God if that was what he believed at that time?

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus didn't clearly tell them that he is God. And then, many people also took from Peter that Jesus was a man so they will not get salvation because Jesus failed to convince his disciples that he is God. On top of that, Peter went all over preaching Jesus was a man to untold many. 

Is that your faith? Perhaps you should just say you don't know coz the more you try to answer my questions, the more you're making a fool out of yourself.

let us go to AI

It is widely understood that, according to biblical accounts, the twelve disciples (also known as the apostles) did not initially fully recognize or understand that Jesus was divine or the Son of God. Many of them followed Jesus as their teacher and leader, but their understanding of his divine nature developed over time.

For example:
- In the Gospels, early on, the disciples often referred to Jesus as a prophet, teacher, or Messiah, but their recognition of his divine identity deepened gradually.
- Peter famously declared Jesus to be "the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16), but even after this declaration, the disciples sometimes showed misunderstanding or confusion about Jesus’ mission.
- There are instances where the disciples struggled to comprehend Jesus’ predictions of his suffering and resurrection, indicating that their understanding of his divine nature was not fully clear at first.

Therefore, it is accurate to say that initially, the disciples did not fully comprehend or accept that Jesus was God, but their understanding grew as they witnessed his teachings, miracles, and ultimately his resurrection.

[pinkpanther]

Who is a bigger fool?

[Ali Imran]

Who is a bigger fool?

So let's go back to my original question.

Why did Peter said Jesus was a man at the Pentecost?

[pinkpanther]

So let's go back to my original question.

Why did Peter said Jesus was a man at the Pentecost?

Which verses? I don want to make a fool of myself

[Ali Imran]

Which verses? I don want to make a fool of myself

Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.  - Acts 2:22

[pinkpanther]

Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.  - Acts 2:22

If you speak to a congregation of disbelievers..would you start by saying Jesus is God? Most of them would have walked off

[Ali Imran]

If you speak to a congregation of disbelievers..would you start by saying Jesus is God? Most of them would have walked off

Peter was addressing the Israelites. They were not disbelievers.

[pinkpanther]

Peter was addressing the Israelites. They were not disbelievers.

Do they believe Jesus is God? All jews are israelites.

[Ali Imran]

Do they believe Jesus is God? All jews are israelites.

They would never believe that a man is God. They already know God is not a man. It is clearly stated in their scriptures. God already told them that God is not a man. And Peter also never said Jesus is God.

So, they didn't believe Jesus was God, but they were saved, according to that same chapter.

[pinkpanther]

They would never believe that a man is God. They already know God is not a man. It is clearly stated in their scriptures. God already told them that God is not a man. And Peter also never said Jesus is God.

So, they didn't believe Jesus was God, but they were saved, according to that same chapter.

Let's focus on your question..no need for further details...so it is only logically to address Jesus as a man if you are speaking to a hostile crowd..I hope I answer your question

[Ali Imran]

Let's focus on your question..no need for further details...so it is only logically to address Jesus as a man if you are speaking to a hostile crowd..I hope I answer your question

So they were told by Peter that Jesus was a man, and they were saved.

That means, you don't have to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved.

[pinkpanther]

So they were told by Peter that Jesus was a man, and they were saved.

Peter calls for repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins...who can forgive sins using your intellect? What do you want peter to say? Say Jesus is one with the Father? Before Abrahim was Jesus...Jesus is the first and last?

[Ali Imran]

Peter calls for repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins...who can forgive sins using your intellect? What do you want peter to say? Say Jesus is one with the Father? Before Abrahim was Jesus...Jesus is the first and last?

No, Peter didn't say Jesus would forgive their sins.

So you don't have to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved coz Peter didn't tell them Jesus is God yet they were saved.

[Lukongsimi]

Peter Says Jesus Is the Christ

13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?” 14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.

18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church. 19 I will give you the keys of the holy nation of heaven. Whatever you do not allow on earth will not have been allowed in heaven. Whatever you allow on earth will have been allowed in heaven.” 20 Then with strong words He told His followers to tell no one that He was the Christ.

[Ali Imran]

Peter Says Jesus Is the Christ

13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?” 14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.

18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church. 19 I will give you the keys of the holy nation of heaven. Whatever you do not allow on earth will not have been allowed in heaven. Whatever you allow on earth will have been allowed in heaven.” 20 Then with strong words He told His followers to tell no one that He was the Christ.

I believe Jesus is Christ, without any doubt.

Peace and blessings be upon him.

But apparently, you don't have to believe he is God in order to be saved.

[pinkpanther]

No, Peter didn't say Jesus would forgive their sins.

So you don't have to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved coz Peter didn't tell them Jesus is God yet they were saved.

 you don even read everything....verse 33 God the Father used his power to give Jesus the honored position-the one next to him on the heavenly throne. Jesus has also received and has poured out the Holy Spirit as the Father had promised, and this is what you're seeing and hearing. 

Can a man sit next to the Father on
the heavenly throne...

[pinkpanther]

This passage from Acts 2:33 describes Jesus' exaltation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which is considered a fulfillment of God's promise. It states that God the Father gave Jesus a position of honor next to him on the heavenly throne and that Jesus has received and poured out the Holy Spirit, which is evidenced by the events taking place (what you're seeing and hearing).

[Ali Imran]

 you don even read everything....verse 33 God the Father used his power to give Jesus the honored position-the one next to him on the heavenly throne. Jesus has also received and has poured out the Holy Spirit as the Father had promised, and this is what you're seeing and hearing. 

Can a man sit next to the Father on
the heavenly throne...

If God wills it, why not?

The fact remains, the Israelites at Pentecost were not told about the Trinity, or that Jesus is God. Yet, they were saved.

[Lukongsimi]

But apparently, you don't have to believe he is God in order to be saved.

From your own teaching?

[Ali Imran]

From your own teaching?

No, from reading Acts chapter 2.

Peter didn't say Jesus is God to the Israelites yet they were saved.

[pinkpanther]

If God wills it, why not?

The fact remains, the Israelites at Pentecost were not told about the Trinity, or that Jesus is God. Yet, they were saved.

"If God wills it, why not"
If you have not read the NT ..your argument falls under logical fallacy

[Ali Imran]

"If God wills it, why not"
If you have not read the NT ..your argument falls under logical fallacy

According to the NT, the disciples will also be sitting on the throne.

So sitting on the throne doesn't make one God.

The fact remains. The Israelites were saved even if they don't believe Jesus is God.

[Lukongsimi]

No, from reading Acts chapter 2.

Peter didn't say Jesus is God to the Israelites yet they were saved.

“And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’ Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭21‬, ‭37‬-‭38‬ ‭NKJV

[Lukongsimi]

If God wills it, why not?

The fact remains, the Israelites at Pentecost were not told about the Trinity, or that Jesus is God. Yet, they were saved.

N u worship 2 in 1 how to be saved?

[Ali Imran]

N u worship 2 in 1 how to be saved?

You're mistaken. Muslims worship only the 1 true God.

[pinkpanther]

According to the NT, the disciples will also be sitting on the throne.

So sitting on the throne doesn't make one God.

The fact remains. The Israelites were saved even if they don't believe Jesus is God.

  whatever floats your boat

[pinkpanther]

You're mistaken. Muslims worship only the 1 true God.

Then why they fight to touch and kiss the black stone?

[Lukongsimi]

According to the NT, the disciples will also be sitting on the throne.

So sitting on the throne doesn't make one God.

The fact remains. The Israelites were saved even if they don't believe Jesus is God.

Which verse the Israelites said they don’t believe Jesus is God?
Don’t anyhow preach what u have no knowledge of what was happening in those days