[Ali Imran]

Fight back for what?
Now who suffers?

If people come with ill intent to take away your home, would you fight back?

[Ali Imran]

U moslems too falsified the Bible as corrupted lah

Christian scholars, like Bruce Metzger, a top NT scholar, already confirmed the NT is corrupted.

[Ali Imran]

Jesus spoke the injil and it was written by his disciples...

We have scholars and historians who knew what the Christians during Muhammad's time were reading..it was the exact book we have today..it was not something new

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Show me the scholars and what they wrote. 

Jesus disciples were mainly peasants in a small kampung called Nazareth. Most of them could not read nor write. So you're wrong to say the disciples wrote what Jesus said.

[pinkpanther]

During Muhammad's lifetime, the Injil was already in circulation, as he affirmed its existence...This suggests that many people were reading it at that time. 

However, Moslems later claim that the Injil was lost. This presents a dilemma...if the Injil was indeed lost, does that mean all the Christians lost it as well? And if that's the case, how do historians not have any records of it?

 It seems unlikely and quite questionable to suggest that the Injil was completely lost without any trace.

[pinkpanther]

Show me the scholars and what they wrote. 

Jesus disciples were mainly peasants in a small kampung called Nazareth. Most of them could not read nor write. So you're wrong to say the disciples wrote what Jesus said.

Yes, Wesley Huff maintains that the Christian Bible (the Old and New Testaments) during Muhammad's time was essentially the same as the version we have today. He argues that the "Torah" and "Gospels" were virtually identical to their modern translations. This belief is central to Huff's argument that the Quran contradicts the Christian and Jewish scriptures.

Here's a more detailed explanation of Huff's claim:
The Hebrew Bible:
Huff points to the number of books in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and its establishment during Jesus' time as evidence that the content was not significantly altered.

The Gospels:
Huff suggests that the Gospels were readily available and recognizable during Muhammad's time, as evidenced by the Quran's reference to them and the reliability placed on Christian and Jewish sources.

Quran's References:
Huff interprets the Quran's references to the Bible (Torah, Gospels) as indicating that Muhammad was aware of the existing scriptures and believed in their divine origin.

Contradictions:
Huff's belief in the Bible's continuity is a key point in his argument that the Quran contradicts the Bible, as he interprets the Quran's teachings as incompatible with the teachings found in the Bible.

[Ali Imran]

The world seems to be against them now..whether they open the floodgates for food to come in or apologize, nothing will change..If they attempt to take down Gaza with one swift battle . they might face global condemnation, but eventually it will be forgotten and merely remembered as a historical incident.

If you feel compassion for the Gazans, then why are Muslim-majority countries not stepping up to support Palestine and challenge Israel? A united front among Muslim nations against Israel could potentially deter them.

The messenger of Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us that at this time, there will be plenty of Muslims but no power. He also said there will be a small group that will rise to the challenge and eventually march towards Jerusalem. 

I salute the Houthis. They are the poorest Arabs in the whole of Middle East but they have the strongest will to fight this great evil.

[Ali Imran]

Yes, Wesley Huff maintains that the Christian Bible (the Old and New Testaments) during Muhammad's time was essentially the same as the version we have today. He argues that the "Torah" and "Gospels" were virtually identical to their modern translations. This belief is central to Huff's argument that the Quran contradicts the Christian and Jewish scriptures.

Here's a more detailed explanation of Huff's claim:
The Hebrew Bible:
Huff points to the number of books in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and its establishment during Jesus' time as evidence that the content was not significantly altered.

The Gospels:
Huff suggests that the Gospels were readily available and recognizable during Muhammad's time, as evidenced by the Quran's reference to them and the reliability placed on Christian and Jewish sources.

Quran's References:
Huff interprets the Quran's references to the Bible (Torah, Gospels) as indicating that Muhammad was aware of the existing scriptures and believed in their divine origin.

Contradictions:
Huff's belief in the Bible's continuity is a key point in his argument that the Quran contradicts the Bible, as he interprets the Quran's teachings as incompatible with the teachings found in the Bible.

Thank you. I will look into this tomorrow. 

Now, its bedtime. 

Selamat malam.

[pinkpanther]

Thank you. I will look into this tomorrow. 

Now, its bedtime. 

Selamat malam.

Rest well Habibi

[Hope]

The messenger of Allah صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us that at this time, there will be plenty of Muslims but no power. He also said there will be a small group that will rise to the challenge and eventually march towards Jerusalem. 

I salute the Houthis. They are the poorest Arabs in the whole of Middle East but they have the strongest will to fight this great evil.

The last great portent of the Hour and the first sign for the establishment of Resurrection is the emergence of the fire that assembles people to the place of gathering.

Proofs on its emergence:

Narrations reported that the fire shall come from Yemen from Qa`rah in Aden, whereas other narrations mentioned that it will emerge from the sea of Hadramout. 

The following are the Hadiths which explain that:

1- The Hadith of Hudhayfah ibn Usayd about the portents of the Hour which was concluded with the Prophet's saying: "And the last of that will be a fire which will emerge from Yemen and drive the people to their place of gathering."

In another narration: "And a fire which will emerge from the furthest part of Adan and drive the people."

2- The Hadith of Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) who narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "There will emerge a fire from Hadramout or from the surrounding of the sea of Hadramout before the Last Hour to gather mankind."

3- The Hadith of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) stating that when `Abdullah ibn Sallam embraced Islam, he asked the Prophet (peace be upon him) about some matters, of which: What is the first portent of the Hour? The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: As for the first portent of the Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to West."

The place of gathering:

The place of gathering at the end of time is the Levant (the region covering Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine) as authentic Hadiths reported, of which are the following:

1- The Hadith of Bahz ibn Hakim from his father on the authority of his grandfather, he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: "You will be assembled (on the Day of Resurrection) walking, riding and dragging on your face to here and pointed with hand at the Levant (the region covering Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine)."

2- The Hadith of Abu Dhar (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "The Levant is the land where people will be gathered and brought forth." Among other Hadiths.

Al Hafizh ibn Hajar (may Allah be merciful with his soul) said: It was reported in Tafsir Ibn `Uyaynah on the authority of Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him): Whoever doubts that gathering shall be here -in the Levant- he should recite the beginning of Surat Al Hashr. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said to the Companions about that day: Set out. They said: Whereto? He said: to the land of gathering.

The reason for making the Levant the land of gathering is that it is the land of security and faith when seditions and trials take place at the end of time. The Prophet (peace be upon him) invoked Allah to bless the Levant by saying: "O Allah! Bless our Sham. O Allah, bless our Yemen."

[Lukongsimi]

Christian scholars, like Bruce Metzger, a top NT scholar, already confirmed the NT is corrupted.

Cursed are those who trust in mortal man

[pinkpanther]

AI Overview


Yes, the version of the Christian Bible (Old and New Testaments) available during Muhammad's time was essentially the same as the versions we have today. The core content and books within the Old and New Testaments remained largely consistent.

[Lukongsimi]

Would you give food to the innocent Gazans? I am very sure you would. You still have a heart.

But if you can, would you fight Israel to stop the genocide and chase them out of the occupied territories?

Fight God ‘s chosen people and help the enemies 
This is traitor !

[Lukongsimi]

If people come with ill intent to take away your home, would you fight back?

If u don’t go and start the fight first will they be wars?
Same as here u started to attack Christians first and we have to defend ourselves

[S I M T A N]

You made a big deal about this. 

Another thing.. why do you call it a poetry? It's not. Its just that man's way of telling us to not look at women lustfully.

The author's writing has a moralistic and religious tones to it, with the objectification of women being frowned upon. We all know about the naked facts of male sexuality. Men are biologically compelled to look at certain female shapes, curves, and her physical equipment. If a man gets caught ogling, it doesn't mean he doesn't love his partner - it's his biology at work. Filled up to the eye balls in lust, men are visual and want sex whereas women are auditory and feeling and want touch and romance.

From a biological standpoint, most men have a higher sex drive than most women, thanks to their raging hormones that create the feeling we call libido. Some Muslims, esp the loaded ones, circumvented the prohibition against adultery by marrying the women they fancy. In the process they enjoy legitimate sexual relationships with their harem.

The world's concept of happiness is having what we want. All that's developed is lust, and all that's fed is the ego. It seems to be the great ambition of man to be happy as animals instead of being blessed as children of God. God's concept of happiness is wanting what we have (1 Thess 5:18; 1 Tim 6:6-8), which includes the sexual areas of our lives.

[S I M T A N]

Cursed are those who trust in mortal man

In God we trust, others we verify.

[Ali Imran]

During Muhammad's lifetime, the Injil was already in circulation, as he affirmed its existence...This suggests that many people were reading it at that time. 

However, Moslems later claim that the Injil was lost. This presents a dilemma...if the Injil was indeed lost, does that mean all the Christians lost it as well? And if that's the case, how do historians not have any records of it?

 It seems unlikely and quite questionable to suggest that the Injil was completely lost without any trace.

Again. Let me remind you. What you have, the Gospels, all of them, are not the Injeel. They are the writings of unknown authors who wrote down their take on what they thought happened and the words of Jesus that were orally transmitted over a few decades.

So no, you cannot say what they have in the 7th century was the Injeel.

[Ali Imran]

In God we trust, others we verify.

Hello.

How do you verify the Gospels, which were written by unknown authors?

[Ali Imran]

If u don’t go and start the fight first will they be wars?
Same as here u started to attack Christians first and we have to defend ourselves

You are very wrong. The Palestinians didn't start this. They were living side by side with the Jews for many centuries in relative peace until the British decided to divide their land and give it to the European Jews.

If your land and your house were taken away by force, and your family killed, and you are driven to refugee camps, for over many many decades, would you fight back?

[Ali Imran]

The author's writing has a moralistic and religious tones to it, with the objectification of women being frowned upon. We all know about the naked facts of male sexuality. Men are biologically compelled to look at certain female shapes, curves, and her physical equipment. If a man gets caught ogling, it doesn't mean he doesn't love his partner - it's his biology at work. Filled up to the eye balls in lust, men are visual and want sex whereas women are auditory and feeling and want touch and romance.

From a biological standpoint, most men have a higher sex drive than most women, thanks to their raging hormones that create the feeling we call libido. Some Muslims, esp the loaded ones, circumvented the prohibition against adultery by marrying the women they fancy. In the process they enjoy legitimate sexual relationships with their harem.

The world's concept of happiness is having what we want. All that's developed is lust, and all that's fed is the ego. It seems to be the great ambition of man to be happy as animals instead of being blessed as children of God. God's concept of happiness is wanting what we have (1 Thess 5:18; 1 Tim 6:6-8), which includes the sexual areas of our lives.

The biblical prophets, like David or Solomon, were polygamous. Did God ever prohibit polygamy?

Did Jesus prohibit polygamy?

[Ali Imran]

Fight God ‘s chosen people and help the enemies 
This is traitor !

So you're okay with babies being killed by snipers? You're okay with the genocide taking place?

How come your religion doesn't make you a compassionate person?

[pinkpanther]

Again. Let me remind you. What you have, the Gospels, all of them, are not the Injeel. They are the writings of unknown authors who wrote down their take on what they thought happened and the words of Jesus that were orally transmitted over a few decades.

So no, you cannot say what they have in the 7th century was the Injeel.

Can you demonstrate from your Quran that the fourfold gospel is not the Injil? Muhammad affirms the Injil, the Christians were reading it during his time

Does this mean Muhammad is affirming scriptures that have been corrupted? If the scriptures are indeed corrupted, then does that imply Islam's validity is compromised? After all, Allah instructs Christians and Jews to judge by their scriptures.

The Old and New Testaments were largely the same during Muhammad's time and remain so today. Scholars have a deeper understanding of this than you do. 

You can only claim that the OT and NT were corrupted before Muhammad's time, but ultimately, Muhammad affirms our scriptures.

That is the Islamic dilemma for you...there is no way round

[pinkpanther]

Yes, Muhammad affirmed the Injil (Gospel), which is the Arabic word for the Gospel of Jesus, as one of the four Islamic holy books, along with the Tawrat (Torah), Zabur (Psalms), and the Quran. In Islam, the Injil is considered a revelation from God to Jesus (Isa) and is affirmed by the Quran as a book of guidance and a confirmation of the Torah.

[pinkpanther]

Don't lie, if you are unsure..just say so...God bear witness

[Ali Imran]

Yes, Muhammad affirmed the Injil (Gospel), which is the Arabic word for the Gospel of Jesus, as one of the four Islamic holy books, along with the Tawrat (Torah), Zabur (Psalms), and the Quran. In Islam, the Injil is considered a revelation from God to Jesus (Isa) and is affirmed by the Quran as a book of guidance and a confirmation of the Torah.

I agree. I believe that.

But what you have in your Bible is not the Injeel.

[Ali Imran]

Can you demonstrate from your Quran that the fourfold gospel is not the Injil? Muhammad affirms the Injil, the Christians were reading it during his time

Does this mean Muhammad is affirming scriptures that have been corrupted? If the scriptures are indeed corrupted, then does that imply Islam's validity is compromised? After all, Allah instructs Christians and Jews to judge by their scriptures.

The Old and New Testaments were largely the same during Muhammad's time and remain so today. Scholars have a deeper understanding of this than you do. 

You can only claim that the OT and NT were corrupted before Muhammad's time, but ultimately, Muhammad affirms our scriptures.

That is the Islamic dilemma for you...there is no way round

Our prophet told us that we should not believe nor disbelieve your scriptures. 

Allah told us that the previous scriptures have been corrupted.

Christian and Jewish scholars, they all agree the scriptures have been corrupted.

[pinkpanther]

I agree. I believe that.

But what you have in your Bible is not the Injeel.

You often make claims without providing any evidence... Do you claim to know what was written in the Injil, yet you do not question your faith. In your article of faith ..Why does Allah ask you to believe in the Injil when you have never truly seen and understood it?

[pinkpanther]

Our prophet told us that we should not believe nor disbelieve your scriptures. 

Allah told us that the previous scriptures have been corrupted.

Christian and Jewish scholars, they all agree the scriptures have been corrupted.

So, you're implying that Allah is contradicting Himself and that the Quran is false.  Allah instructed Muhammad to consult the People of the Book if he was unsure, but did not tell him to avoid them because their scriptures are corrupted...

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[Ali Imran]

So, you're implying that Allah is contradicting Himself and that the Quran is false.  Allah instructed Muhammad to consult the People of the Book if he was unsure, but did not tell him to avoid them because their scriptures are corrupted...

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Did it occur to you that you may have misunderstood the Quran?

[Ali Imran]

You often make claims without providing any evidence... Do you claim to know what was written in the Injil, yet you do not question your faith. In your article of faith ..Why does Allah ask you to believe in the Injil when you have never truly seen and understood it?

What language was used by Jesus? 

What language is the Gospel written in?

[pinkpanther]

Did it occur to you that you may have misunderstood the Quran?

Did it occur to you that you may have misunderstood the Quran?