[pinkpanther]

So you think Jesus came with a book in his hand and he went around preaching from this book?

Did Muhammad go around with a book?

[cheekopekman]

So you think Jesus came with a book in his hand and he went around preaching from this book?

Whatever came out of Jesus' mouth is the Word of God lah!  "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" lah! The Bible is also known as the Word of God lah!

[Ali Imran]

Did Muhammad go around with a book?

No. The Quran, by definition of its name, is a recitation.

[Lukongsimi]

Did Muhammad go around with a book?

Went around with a sword lol

[pinkpanther]

Went around with a sword lol

I think so ... Kill chicken and sheep also required the sword mah

[Ali Imran]

Went around with a sword lol

How many lies you want to make in a day?

[Ali Imran]

Look at the behavior of these 2 Christians here.

[pinkpanther]

No. The Quran, by definition of its name, is a recitation.

The injil was preached orally and written down later

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[cheekopekman]

Look at the behavior of these 2 Christians here.

I can see that lah!

[pinkpanther]

Look at the behavior of these 2 Christians here.

There is no wet market back then..so a sword is needed to unalive the live animals needed for food

[Ali Imran]

The injil was preached orally and written down later

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When it was written down, what was the language? And by who?

[pinkpanther]

When it was written down, what was the language? And by who?

Written in Greek. God is the author

[cheekopekman]

When it was written down, what was the language? And by who?

Written in Greek. God is the author

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek lah!

[Ali Imran]

Written in Greek. God is the author

God as in Jesus or God as in the Father?

[pinkpanther]

God as in Jesus or God as in the Father?

Authors were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit

[Ali Imran]

Authors were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit

So quickly you changed your answer. It's okay. I know you are only trying to defend Christianity. 

So, who were the people who wrote it down?

[pinkpanther]

So quickly you changed your answer. It's okay. I know you are only trying to defend Christianity. 

So, who were the people who wrote it down?

God's inspired people wrote it down..are we going to do this all day!

[Ali Imran]

God's inspired people wrote it down..are we going to do this all day!

If God bothered to inspire the authors with guidance from the Holy Spirit, why wasn't it preserved? Why did God allow it to be corrupted?

[pinkpanther]

If God bothered to inspire the authors with guidance from the Holy Spirit, why wasn't it preserved? Why did God allow it to be corrupted?

The Bible is considered to be remarkably well-preserved, despite minor variations in different copies....

[Ali Imran]

And more importantly, why is it so confusing?

[Ali Imran]

The Bible is considered to be remarkably well-preserved, despite minor variations in different copies....

How do you know it has been well preserved when you don't have the original? All the manuscripts we have today are copies of copies of copies. So who can you possibly know it has been preserved?

[pinkpanther]

And more importantly, why is it so confusing?

It could be confusing if your mental capacity stays limited...

[Ali Imran]

It could be confusing if your mental capacity stays limited...

The result of the confusion is the many denominations, with different understandings of the Bible. 

The Anglicans, the Catholics, the Pentecostals, the Evangelicals, to name a few, all understand the Bible differently. Which one is rightly guided by the Holy Spirit?

[pinkpanther]

How do you know it has been well preserved when you don't have the original? All the manuscripts we have today are copies of copies of copies. So who can you possibly know it has been preserved?

If the majority copies remain consistent...is that not good enough? 

Even if we had no manuscripts, it would be possible to reconstruct the New Testament using evidence from liturgies, rituals, readings in other works, and quotes in early church fathers' writings..

[pinkpanther]

The result of the confusion is the many denominations, with different understandings of the Bible. 

The Anglicans, the Catholics, the Pentecostals, the Evangelicals, to name a few, all understand the Bible differently. Which one is rightly guided by the Holy Spirit?

The same goes to the different sects in Islam...every sects has their own beliefs

[Ali Imran]

If the majority copies remain consistent...is that not good enough? 

Even if we had no manuscripts, it would be possible to reconstruct the New Testament using evidence from liturgies, rituals, readings in other works, and quotes in early church fathers' writings..

Till today, nobody can come up with a version of the NT that is agreed upon by all the scholars. Metzger spoke about the restoration but till today, we don't have any restored NT.

And if you use the early church fathers, we get even more confused because in the first 300 years, the early church fathers were all subordinatists. Were they all wrong? Yes, if we go by the creed that is used today.

[pinkpanther]

Till today, nobody can come up with a version of the NT that is agreed upon by all the scholars. Metzger spoke about the restoration but till today, we don't have any restored NT.

And if you use the early church fathers, we get even more confused because in the first 300 years, the early church fathers were all subordinatists. Were they all wrong? Yes, if we go by the creed that is used today.

Why do you need restoration when it is sufficient and complete

[Ali Imran]

The same goes to the different sects in Islam...every sects has their own beliefs

That is false. We are united in our religion and our faith. The proof of that is the Hajj, which will take place in about a week. All the Muslims from all over the world will come together and perform rituals in worship of God, in unison. When it is Ramadan, all the Muslims in all corners of the earth will fast in exactly the same fashion, from sunrise to sunset. We all do solah 5 times a day and each time, and for each prayer, the rakaah (cycle) is the same. Fajr is 2, Zohor is 4, Asar is 4, Magrib is 3 and Ishak is 4. It is the same all over the world. I can go to China and perform my daily solah there with the Chinese.

[Ali Imran]

Why do you need restoration when it is sufficient and complete

Why did Metzger hope to restore it if it doesn't need restoration? Why is Dr. Dan Wallace still trying very hard today, spending tons of money in the process of trying to restore the NT?

The Gospels themselves say it doesn't contain the teachings of Jesus completely. So no, it is not complete.

[pinkpanther]

That is false. We are united in our religion and our faith. The proof of that is the Hajj, which will take place in about a week. All the Muslims from all over the world will come together and perform rituals in worship of God, in unison. When it is Ramadan, all the Muslims in all corners of the earth will fast in exactly the same fashion, from sunrise to sunset. We all do solah 5 times a day and each time, and for each prayer, the rakaah (cycle) is the same. Fajr is 2, Zohor is 4, Asar is 4, Magrib is 3 and Ishak is 4. It is the same all over the world. I can go to China and perform my daily solah there with the Chinese.

The Ahmadis do not believe Jesus is the messiah, the Shias believe God has eyes, hands and shin while the sunni thinks otherwise...Within Sunni Islam, there are also different schools of thought like Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali, each with its own interpretations of Islamic law