[pinkpanther]

Let me show you two narrations of the same event.

Jesus was in the stern, sleeping on a cushion. The disciples woke him and said to him, “Teacher, don’t you care if we drown?” - Mark 4:38

But Jesus was sleeping. The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!” - Matthew 8:25

So tell me. Which one is true? They both convey a different picture of the disciples' interaction with Jesus. The latter tells us that the disciples treated Jesus as divine, while the former doesn't.

This is a classic example of embellishment and an elevation of Jesus's status. The first one doesn't convey the picture of Jesus as divine but, a decade or so later, they changed the story to make Jesus look divine.

Who can prove that they change the story to look divine .different authors, different style written in different times...

[Ali Imran]

This will once again result in a contradiction. Allah instructed Muhammad to consult the People of the Book, specifically those who have read the previous scriptures, if he was in doubt. In this context, he was to inquire with the Jews about the stories from Moses' time. How do the Jews verify these stories? They refer to the Torah....

None of our scholars says that. Are you claiming you know better about our scriptures than all the Muslims, billions of them, including our learned scholars?

[Ali Imran]

Who can prove that they change the story to look divine .different authors, different style written in different times...

I'm not sure which author, Mark or Luke, changed that story because no Christian scholars can tell me which one is the original. What I can see is a different picture between Mark and Luke.

[pinkpanther]

None of our scholars says that. Are you claiming you know better about our scriptures than all the Muslims, billions of them, including our learned scholars?

I am quoting q10:94..if you read 10:85 onwards, it is the story of moses, aaron and pharoah ..then verse 94 says

If you ˹O Prophet˺ are in doubt about ˹these stories˺ that We have revealed to you, then ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt,

If the Torah is corrupted...do you think Allah would ask Muhammad to ask the Jews

[pinkpanther]

I'm not sure which author, Mark or Luke, changed that story because no Christian scholars can tell me which one is the original. What I can see is a different picture between Mark and Luke.

This topic is of no interest to me....leave these works to the experts...I can also say Allah took the words from Paul and make it his own...

But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9) - 54 A.D.

About 600 years later, Muhammad is recorded in a Hadith Qudsi as saying:

Allah Most High said: 'I have prepared for My righteous worshipers what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived.' (Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3197 - Grade: Sahi

[pinkpanther]

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[Ali Imran]

This topic is of no interest to me....leave these works to the experts...I can also say Allah took the words from Paul and make it his own...

But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9) - 54 A.D.

About 600 years later, Muhammad is recorded in a Hadith Qudsi as saying:

Allah Most High said: 'I have prepared for My righteous worshipers what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived.' (Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3197 - Grade: Sahi

This shows your knowledge of the Bible is lacking.

That is not the words of Paul. He took that from Isaiah, who was a prophet of God. 

So, it's no surprise that two prophets of God would say the same things.

[Ali Imran]

I am quoting q10:94..if you read 10:85 onwards, it is the story of moses, aaron and pharoah ..then verse 94 says

If you ˹O Prophet˺ are in doubt about ˹these stories˺ that We have revealed to you, then ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt,

If the Torah is corrupted...do you think Allah would ask Muhammad to ask the Jews

Like I've said. You think you know better than all our scholars.

What makes you think your interpretation is the correct one, and all our scholars got it wrong? Seriously, tell me.

[pinkpanther]

This shows your knowledge of the Bible is lacking.

That is not the words of Paul. He took that from Isaiah, who was a prophet of God. 

So, it's no surprise that two prophets of God would say the same things.

So Allah took the words of Paul as his own?

[Ali Imran]

So Allah took the words of Paul as his own?

LOL

Really? You didn't read what I just wrote?

[pinkpanther]

Like I've said. You think you know better than all our scholars.

What makes you think your interpretation is the correct one, and all our scholars got it wrong? Seriously, tell me.

It’s precisely what the Quran states... You don’t even accept what Allah and Muhammad have said about the Injil, and now you’re questioning my understanding of a few simple verses.

So was the Injil recorded and written? Did the christians have it?

[Ali Imran]

It’s precisely what the Quran states... You don’t even accept what Allah and Muhammad have said about the Injil, and now you’re questioning my understanding of a few simple verses.

So was the Injil recorded and written? Did the christians have it?

Try answering my question.

What makes you think your exegesis of that verse is the correct one, and ALL OUR SCHOLARS got it wrong?

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Really? You didn't read what I just wrote?

I ask you Paul, you told me Isaiah...no one knows what you are talking without providing any quotes...

You are the mirror of the Quran...all talks but no proof..just like how Jesus in the Quran said the Mohamed will be found by name in the Injil and the Torah. Where? Cannot find then claim both books are corrupted or lost ..how convenient

[Ali Imran]

I ask you Paul, you told me Isaiah...no one knows what you are talking without providing any quotes...

You are the mirror of the Quran...all talks but no proof..just like how Jesus in the Quran said the Mohamed will be found by name in the Injil and the Torah. Where? Cannot find then claim both books corrupted or lost ..

So, if I show you that those aren't Paul's words but he took them from Isaiah, are you gonna admit that you are wrong to say those were Paul's words?

[pinkpanther]

Try answering my question.

What makes you think your exegesis of that verse is the correct one, and ALL OUR SCHOLARS got it wrong?

So the scholars know the Quran better than Muhammad? You need scholars for simple English?

[pinkpanther]

So, if I show you that those aren't Paul's words but he took them from Isaiah, are you gonna admit that you are wrong to say those were Paul's words?

No...you make a claim that you didnt even prove..

[Ali Imran]

So the scholars know the Quran better than Muhammad? You need scholars for simple English?

LOL

You must be thinking that our Prophet spoke in English.

Did our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever go to the Israelites to check on anything with them? If it is the command of Allah, surely our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم would have done that.

[pinkpanther]

So, where is the name of Muhammad, which Jesus mentioned would be found in the Torah and Injil?

[Ali Imran]

No...you make a claim that you didnt even prove..

Paul took that from Isaiah 64:4.

It is basic knowledge for Christians because it is all over the NT commentary. All the NT scholars knew that. Apparently, you lack even basic knowledge of the NT.

[pinkpanther]

LOL

You must be thinking that our Prophet spoke in English.

Did our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever go to the Israelites to check on anything with them? If it is the command of Allah, surely our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم would have done that.

You don even know your Quran yet you are doubting my understanding...if you have time.  just prove to me my understanding of the verses 10:85-94 was wrong .

[Ali Imran]

So, where is the name of Muhammad, which Jesus mentioned would be found in the Torah and Injil?

Wah!

Now you want to change the topic?

Don't want to discuss the embellishment in the Gospels I brought up this morning?

[Ali Imran]

You don even know your Quran yet you are doubting my understanding...if you have time.  just prove to me my understanding of the verses 10:85-94 was wrong .

I've done that so many times already. Yet, you still insist that your interpretation of the Quran is the correct one, and our scholars got it wrong.

[pinkpanther]

Paul took that from Isaiah 64:4.

It is basic knowledge for Christians because it is all over the NT commentary. All the NT scholars knew that. Apparently, you lack even basic knowledge of the NT.

Then Muhammad is taking it from Isaiah

[pinkpanther]

I've done that so many times already. Yet, you still insist that your interpretation of the Quran is the correct one, and our scholars got it wrong.

I don believe you because you contradict what Allah and Muhammad said
You don even know what Muhammad said from the verses that I mentioned.

[pinkpanther]

Wah!

Now you want to change the topic?

Don't want to discuss the embellishment in the Gospels I brought up this morning?

The Islamic dilemma continues 
Why can't we find Muhammad's name after thousands of years ..Is the Islamic Jesus lying?

[Ali Imran]

Then Muhammad is taking it from Isaiah

Isaiah got that information from God.

Similarly, Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم got that information from God.

What this shows is that the information came from the same 1 true God.

[Ali Imran]

I don believe you because you contradict what Allah and Muhammad said
You don even know what Muhammad said from the verses that I mentioned.

What makes you think you know the Hadith or the Quran better than our scholars?

[pinkpanther]

Isaiah got that information from God.

Similarly, Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم got that information from God.

What this shows is that the information came from the same 1 true God.

Book of Isaiah is neither from the Torah or the Gospel. Isaiah is also not mentioned in the Quran..

On what ground can you place your faith on something you are not taught to believe...

[pinkpanther]

What makes you think you know the Hadith or the Quran better than our scholars?

What makes you think the scholars know more than Muhammad?