[Lukongsimi]

Only The Keepers Of The Law Shall Gain Eternal Life
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 
1 Corinthians 6:7-11

[pinkpanther]

The question I'm asking is simple. I believe the true God is only 1 person. How am I wrong on that point of my faith? LKSM cannot tell me how I am wrong on that point. Can you? Using the great commission as your argument to say I'm wrong is easily dismissed. The great commission is not about who is the true God.

You believe the true God is 3 persons. I say you're wrong, and I can tell you why you're wrong, using the words of Jesus in John 17:3 as my argument.

Don forget the other parts of John. You have zero bible knowledge

Very truly I tell you . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58).

Jesus spoke of the glory that He had with God “before the world began” (verse 5; cf. John 1:1).

In John 10:30, Jesus states unequivocally, “I and the Father are one.” 

“We are not stoning You for any good work but for blasphemy, because You, a mere Man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

John 17:3 needs to be read in context to fully appreciate what Jesus was saying in that prayer.

[pinkpanther]

Their book is also for the jinns our Bible is to bring us closer to God

Yes..how can I trust a book that is also made for the Jinns ...I think he calls for the Jinn out at night and read them the Quran ... that is dawah!

[pinkpanther]

If you see Jesus in your dreams and in that dream, Jesus tells you something that contradicts what he said in the red-letter Gospels, would you say that is Jesus or the devil impersonating Jesus? For example, Jesus said to love your neighbours in the Gospel. Then you dream Jesus comes to you, telling you to hate your neighbours. Is that Jesus or the devil?

Narrated Abu Qatada: The Prophet said, "A true good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan."

[pinkpanther]

I suppose so. But its a slippery ground, as you already know that the devil can also appear in dreams.

According to Muhammad, it is very clear.
Narrated Abu Qatada: The Prophet said, "A true good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan."

[pinkpanther]

The question remains.

You said Islam limits my personal development. Please tell me how is my personal development was limited by Islam?

sure.

Islam is frozen somewhere in the 10th century, without any progress since then (actually there is a steady regress).
And without any significant contribution.

Richard Dawkins once pointed the scary fact that all the muslims together have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity college, Cambridge.

Actually it’s not only the rest of the world, a significant part of the muslims themselves think the same. How many people move from non-muslim to muslim countries? If we don’t take into account the rare cases of mixed marriages, exactly 0(zero). How many move (or rather, run) in the opposite direction? Millions.

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/HFoDbPzp8Lg

[pinkpanther]

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Islam is a political/legal/economic/ethical religious system modeled after the 7th century environment (e.g., Quran 4:34, 5:33, 24:2) and costumed after its founder Muhammad and the early Muslim community (e.g., Sahih Bukhari (52:260), Abu Dawud (4346), al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15)).

Islamic ideology is holding back the Islamic nations from experiencing the 21st century world by forcing them to live in the 7th century conception of the world. This is one of the reasons why most Muslim nations are underdeveloped on many levels. For example, take the nations of Arabia and Iran (e.g., Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male, would you want to live there?

Islam is not holding back the world because it can’t. This is why the Western and Asian nations (non-Islamic nations) are advanced in the sciences, politics, economics, ethics, medicine, literature and so forth (e.g., List of Nobel laureates by country - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male and you had the choice between living in a Western/Asian nation or in an Islamic nation, where would you rather live?

[pinkpanther]

So you think you know the Quran better than every Muslim scholar with varying interpretations of the Quran?

The Quran is supposed to be clear isnt it...so which interpretation is Muhammad's words?

[Ali Imran]

The Quran is supposed to be clear isnt it...so which interpretation is Muhammad's words?

Mock all you want. What you cannot do is falsify the Quran, a Kitab from Allah, the creator of the universe.

[Ali Imran]

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Islam is a political/legal/economic/ethical religious system modeled after the 7th century environment (e.g., Quran 4:34, 5:33, 24:2) and costumed after its founder Muhammad and the early Muslim community (e.g., Sahih Bukhari (52:260), Abu Dawud (4346), al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15)).

Islamic ideology is holding back the Islamic nations from experiencing the 21st century world by forcing them to live in the 7th century conception of the world. This is one of the reasons why most Muslim nations are underdeveloped on many levels. For example, take the nations of Arabia and Iran (e.g., Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male, would you want to live there?

Islam is not holding back the world because it can’t. This is why the Western and Asian nations (non-Islamic nations) are advanced in the sciences, politics, economics, ethics, medicine, literature and so forth (e.g., List of Nobel laureates by country - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male and you had the choice between living in a Western/Asian nation or in an Islamic nation, where would you rather live?

Wanna talk about the contribution of Muslims to science, which paved the way for technology? 

If not for the many early Muslim scientists, the world would not be where it is today.

[Ali Imran]

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Islam is a political/legal/economic/ethical religious system ....

established in the 7th century and still is the best form of governance for a safe life here in this world, and a successful life in the hereafter.

Other than drinking alcohol, Islam also forbids gambling, another social ill that has a high impact on family lives and society, just like drinking. Gambling addiction leads to financial instability, breaks up marriage, increases stress in family lives, and even domestic violence. And suicides.

So, two huge social ills in our lives today from habits that Islam has always forbidden.

[Hope]

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Islam is a political/legal/economic/ethical religious system modeled after the 7th century environment (e.g., Quran 4:34, 5:33, 24:2) and costumed after its founder Muhammad and the early Muslim community (e.g., Sahih Bukhari (52:260), Abu Dawud (4346), al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15)).

Islamic ideology is holding back the Islamic nations from experiencing the 21st century world by forcing them to live in the 7th century conception of the world. This is one of the reasons why most Muslim nations are underdeveloped on many levels. For example, take the nations of Arabia and Iran (e.g., Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male, would you want to live there?

Islam is not holding back the world because it can’t. This is why the Western and Asian nations (non-Islamic nations) are advanced in the sciences, politics, economics, ethics, medicine, literature and so forth (e.g., List of Nobel laureates by country - Wikipedia).

If you were not a Muslim male and you had the choice between living in a Western/Asian nation or in an Islamic nation, where would you rather live?

You shouldn’t compare a non Muslim with a Muslim when it comes to the beliefs .
Muslim  want to focus on next worldly success.while Non Muslims want to focus only on this worldly success.
That is why you see Muslims as backward even though they have degrees, professional jobs and Businesses.

We don’t want to take the risks in believing someone died for our salvation.

This world life is 0-100 years only 

Next world life is endless.Imagine if someone has to live in the hell for 1000+ years.



“Whoever desires the harvest of the Hereafter, We will increase their harvest. And whoever desires ˹only˺ the harvest of this world, We will give them some of it, but they will have no share in the Hereafter.”Quran 42:20

“This worldly life is no more than play and amusement. But the Hereafter is indeed the real life, if only they knew.”Quran 29:64

“Wealth and children are the adornment of this worldly life, but the everlasting good deeds are far better with your Lord in reward and in hope.”  Quran 18:46

“Rather, seek the ˹reward˺ of the Hereafter by means of what Allah has granted you, without forgetting your share of this world. And be good ˹to others˺ as Allah has been good to you. Do not seek to spread corruption in the land, for Allah certainly does not like the corruptors.”Quran 28:77

“Know that this worldly life is no more than play, amusement, luxury, mutual boasting, and competition in wealth and children. This is like rain that causes plants to grow, to the delight of the planters. But later the plants dry up and you see them wither, then they are reduced to chaff. And in the Hereafter there will be either severe punishment or forgiveness and pleasure of Allah, whereas the life of this world is no more than the delusion of enjoyment.” Quran 57:20

[pinkpanther]

You shouldn’t compare a non Muslim with a Muslim when it comes to the beliefs .
Muslim  want to focus on next worldly success.while Non Muslims want to focus only on this worldly success.
That is why you see Muslims as backward even though they have degrees, professional jobs and Businesses.

We don’t want to take the risks in believing someone died for our salvation.

This world life is 0-100 years only 

Next world life is endless.Imagine if someone has to live in the hell for 1000+ years.

Your friend is very successfully as he mentioned...not a bit of it tells me that he is interested in the success of the next world

[pinkpanther]

Wanna talk about the contribution of Muslims to science, which paved the way for technology? 

If not for the many early Muslim scientists, the world would not be where it is today.

If not for the Chinese admiral ZhengHe, you wouldn't be a moslem...

[pinkpanther]

established in the 7th century and still is the best form of governance for a safe life here in this world, and a successful life in the hereafter.

Other than drinking alcohol, Islam also forbids gambling, another social ill that has a high impact on family lives and society, just like drinking. Gambling addiction leads to financial instability, breaks up marriage, increases stress in family lives, and even domestic violence. And suicides.

So, two huge social ills in our lives today from habits that Islam has always forbidden.

Morocco allows casino and does not forbid its citizens to gamble

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WVImA1c5hvk?s...NnLL9HE0vO

The islamic dilemma continues

[Lukongsimi]

Moslems can’t drink but took drugs?

[Lukongsimi]

Your friend is very successfully as he mentioned...not a bit of it tells me that he is interested in the success of the next world

People who brags usually fails in the end

[Ali Imran]

Moslems can’t drink but took drugs?

Yes, some Muslims drink. Some gamble. Some take drugs. Some don't do all 3.

I believe the true God is one person, but you want me to believe that there are two more. That is strange because Jesus never taught that. He said the true God is one person. Also, none of the other biblical prophets ever taught that.

[Ali Imran]

Your friend is very successfully as he mentioned...not a bit of it tells me that he is interested in the success of the next world

No, not very successful. Just successful. I've also had failures. But I'm not the subject of the discussion. You made another one of your nonsensical statements that you cannot substantiate, that Islam limits our personal development. I only dismissed your claim by using my okayokay success as an example. And then, I want to bring up the many early Muslim scientists who paved the way for the world to move forward but you're not interested.

So, you are now resorting to making nonsensical statements in your desire to falsify Islam.

[Ali Imran]

Morocco allows casino and does not forbid its citizens to gamble

Let's go to another Islamic teaching that would solve the problems in all modern societies. We already discussed two ills, drinking and gambling. Charity. 

We are told to spend our money, but never to be wasteful. Spending money helps the economy. What is the best spending? Charity. We also have a sort of heirachy on who to spend our money and the first is the Qarib, which means my wife, my children, the people close to me. That is the one thing I love about Islam. Giving money to my wife is a good deed if done in obedience to Allah's will. She was gonna take anyway.

Charity helps the society. The Muslims are known to be charitable people.

[pinkpanther]

No, not very successful. Just successful. I've also had failures. But I'm not the subject of the discussion. You made another one of your nonsensical statements that you cannot substantiate, that Islam limits our personal development. I only dismissed your claim by using my okayokay success as an example. And then, I want to bring up the many early Muslim scientists who paved the way for the world to move forward but you're not interested.

So, you are now resorting to making nonsensical statements in your desire to falsify Islam.

You say that islam does not limit your development..First, Have we met before? No! Why should I vouch for your personal growth when I don't even know you?  
What I do know is your constant boasting about your success—though it's hardly worth mentioning, especially when compared to others with greater achievements.  

If Moslem scientists can't keep up with the current pace, then what's the point of dwelling on past glories?  

If you're going to talk about the past, I might also remind you of the great Zheng He..without him, you wouldn't be Moslem.Just a parable

[pinkpanther]

Let's go to another Islamic teaching that would solve the problems in all modern societies. We already discussed two ills, drinking and gambling. Charity. 

We are told to spend our money, but never to be wasteful. Spending money helps the economy. What is the best spending? Charity. We also have a sort of heirachy on who to spend our money and the first is the Qarib, which means my wife, my children, the people close to me. That is the one thing I love about Islam. Giving money to my wife is a good deed if done in obedience to Allah's will. She was gonna take anyway.

Charity helps the society. The Muslims are known to be charitable people.

Giving money to your wife is considered a good deed? It's more of a responsibility, lah... Usually, wealthy Arabs can afford to be charitable, but often the recipients end up getting a small faction

[Ali Imran]

You say that islam does not limit your development..First, Have we met before? No! Why should I vouch for your personal growth when I don't even know you?  
What I do know is your constant boasting about your success—though it's hardly worth mentioning, especially when compared to others with greater achievements.  

If Moslem scientists can't keep up with the current pace, then what's the point of dwelling on past glories?  

If you're going to talk about the past, I might also remind you of the great Zheng He..without him, you wouldn't be Moslem.Just a parable

So, you claim Islam limits our personal development. Can we say it is defeated?

[Ali Imran]

Giving money to your wife is considered a good deed? It's more of a responsibility, lah... Usually, wealthy Arabs can afford to be charitable, but often the recipients end up getting a small faction

Charity is beyond responsibility. We are talking about charity. So yes, giving money to my wife is a good deed when done in obedience to Allah.

Local Muslims here are very charitable. We are not rich Arabs.

[pinkpanther]

So, you claim Islam limits our personal development. Can we say it is defeated?

No, the reality is that millions will leave their Moslem countries in search of better opportunities and to pursue personal growth. 

However, you won't see Christians or people of other faiths rushing to enter or settle in the Moslem world.

[Ali Imran]

No, the reality is that millions will leave their Moslem countries in search of better opportunities and to pursue personal growth. 

So you mean their country of origin limits their personal development, and not Islam. Thank you for clearing that up. You made a mistake when you said Islam.

[Ali Imran]

However, you won't see Christians or people of other faiths rushing to enter or settle in the Moslem world.

Tons of Christians from Philippines are jostling to get into countries like Oman or Qatar for the generous pay there. So, you're mistaken again.

[pinkpanther]

Moslems can’t drink but took drugs?

Cannot drink, cannot gamble..can only take drugs!
In a way, Islam is forcing moslems towards the most dangerous substances...why Islam don bạn drugs?