[Ali Imran]

I'm sick ...flu, fever and cough...so won't be replying for the next few days

Take care friend.

I hope you will feel better soon.

[Lukongsimi]

I'm sick ...flu, fever and cough...so won't be replying for the next few days

Take care bro 
Drink more water and rest 
Get well

[Ali Imran]

How come the holy place Kaaba got so many women being molested and raped?
Men go there for this purpose ?
Kiss black stone not enough ?

Why are you so gullible?

Why do Christians like to spread lies about Islam and Muslims?

[Lukongsimi]

It’s in the utube world news
U feel shame?

[Lukongsimi]

The book of Mark was the first to be written and according to the author, Jesus said the first commandment is to proclaim the Shema. About a decade later, the author of Matthew came along and removed that first commandment. 

Now, why did the author of Matthew remove the words of Jesus according to Mark?

Matthew is the first book don’t come  lie

[Lukongsimi]

If talk to a liar his lies will be disclose
Lol

[Ali Imran]

Matthew is the first book don’t come  lie

I think you're mistaken.

[Lukongsimi]

Kopi time

The walls are listening go ahead

[Lukongsimi]

I think you're mistaken.

Why are u so gullible 
Such source can be trusted ?

[Ali Imran]

Why are u so gullible 
Such source can be trusted ?

Most of your scholars opined that Mark was the first to be written.

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/n5cc4cbnMFg?s...aHlylsgkUG

[S I M T A N]

Jesus prayed fervently in the garden of Gethsemane just prior to His arrest, trials, and execution. It was a harrowing and emotionally wrenching ordeal for Jesus, according to Luke, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood upon the ground. (22:42-44)

Jesus was so "distressed and troubled" (Mark 14:33) that as He was walking through Gethsemane He collapsed and began to cry out to God to deliver Him from the terrible experience that was to befall Him (vv 35:36) Perhaps Jesus would have been justified in asking His heavenly Father to spare Him from the horrendous and sadistic method of execution the Romans had devised. But what agonized Jesus more than the brutality of the cross was the spiritual consequence of paying for the sins of all humanity - experiencing the full fury of God's wrath rather than God's total and eternal delight in the Son with whom He was well pleased.

We read that from all eternal past that Jesus had never experienced anything but perfect harmony with His Father. That was about to change; God the Father was about to turn His back on the Son who had brought the Father nothing but sheer delight. Jesus know He was about to face a more temporary but no less painful estrangement from His Father for bearing the sins of the world, an experience that would later cause Him to cry out from the cross, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" (Matt 27:46).

Jesus would plead with God in the garden to spare Him from the horrific experience of the cross and find some other way to accomplish the need for humanity's forgiveness and restoration. But God responded to Jesus' fervent request with deafening silence. God offered no other way, because there was no other way for humanity's redemption.

Jesus's crucifixion permanently altered the eternal destiny of all those who place their faith in Him. The apostle Paul who witnessed Christ's agony on the cross, wrote about what Christ accomplished by His death: "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2). The word propitiation denotes "appeasement" or "satisfaction." All other religions such as Islam and Judaism mandate adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to appease their God. While it's man who is responsible for appeasing God or the gods through rituals, self-improvement, or rule-keeping, the unique message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ alone is capable of offering a sufficient sacrifice to cover our sins that have offended a holy God.

[S I M T A N]

I'm sick ...flu, fever and cough...so won't be replying for the next few days

It's good to take a few days off to recuperate. Our bodies are our God-given instruments for experiencing life on earth and for doing good works. To
do the work we were meant to do, we need to keep our bodies in shape to allow us to operate most effectively for Him. God wants us to be healthy and energetic, but we need to do our part by using wisdom in how we take care of ourselves like sleep an adequate number of hours at night, drink lots of water, eat the right amounts of good quality, healthy foods, find a way to get plenty of exercise, and laugh a lot because it relieves stress.

Knowing you, a faithful ambassador for Christ, you'll surely come back with a vengeance to take on those spreading inaccurate or biased information about the Bible. And you'll continue fighting to uphold our core doctrines and defend the Bible's integrity and reliability. I wish you a speedy recovery. I'll post on and off these days as I'm terribly busy with work and family commitments in addition house-hunting. Moving house is a major upheaval.

[Ali Imran]

The apostle Paul who witnessed Christ's agony on the cross, 

Are you serious?

[Ali Imran]

Jesus was so "distressed and troubled" (Mark 14:33) that as He was walking through Gethsemane He collapsed and began to cry out to God to deliver Him from the terrible experience that was to befall Him (vv 35:36) Perhaps Jesus would have been justified in asking His heavenly Father to spare Him from the horrendous and sadistic method of execution the Romans had devised. But what agonized Jesus more than the brutality of the cross was the spiritual consequence of paying for the sins of all humanity - experiencing the full fury of God's wrath rather than God's total and eternal delight in the Son with whom He was well pleased.

That's the first time I see a Christian saying Jesus collapsed from distress.

[S I M T A N]

The apostle Paul who witnessed Christ's agony on the cross, 

Due to a typographical error, the apostle John was spelled as the apostle Paul in 1 John 2:2. I know you're less than enamored with Paul because you're sure as hell he contradicted Jesus' teachings by preaching sola fide. Regardless of how you interpret Paul, it's quite clear that Jesus taught justification by faith alone.

For your info, Bible-believing Christians have a lot of respect for Paul's teachings of Christian living. For example, a relationship with Christ is called "union with Christ." Paul calls it being "in Christ," a term he uses approximately 165 times in his letters. This means it must be pretty important.

Union with Christ involves 2 aspects - legal and personal. We're made right with God by virtue of our union with Christ whose track record becomes our track record. So, we receive a "not guilty" verdict before God. This is legal. Furthermore, we're united to Christ in an ongoing relationship because the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our souls and connects us to God. This is personal. Think of the process as analogous to marriage. When you tie the knot, there's a legal aspect as well as a personal aspect. Both are true and both are important.

As part of the process of being called, we were given new, spiritual life, which enabled us to confess our sins and place our trust and hope in Jesus. This is what the Bible calls being "born again." The Spirit of God made you alive when you were spiritually dead in your sins and utterly helpless. You're now viewed by God as if you've lived a perfect life, because Jesus lived a perfect life in your place. Not only has your debt been erased, but you've been given all of Christ's assets - His righteousness. So you can step off the treadmill of perfectionism and enjoy freedom. God forgave your sins and treats you as righteous because He loves you. So God hasn't lost His ability to forgive sins as you claimed.

God's display of excellence in love can be found in the person and mission of Jesus Christ - the ultimate in love. The more closely I've looked at the Bible, the more I've observed that every act of Jesus was motivated by undiluted love. Jesus Christ never had a selfish thought. His entire life was based on helping others. He willingly experienced a death more agonizing than we can ever know, so that we could have eternal life and a relationship with God like that of children with their loving father. Jesus portrayed God as standing with His arms outstretched, inviting people to embrace Him. Only the infinite God could have infinite love - love inclusive enough to contain every person who accepts His "whosoever" invitation.

[Ali Imran]

Due to a typographical error, the apostle John was spelled as the apostle Paul in 1 John 2:2. I know you're less than enamored with Paul because you're sure as hell he contradicted Jesus' teachings by preaching sola fide. Regardless of how you interpret Paul, it's quite clear that Jesus taught justification by faith alone.

For your info, Bible-believing Christians have a lot of respect for Paul's teachings of Christian living. For example, a relationship with Christ is called "union with Christ." Paul calls it being "in Christ," a term he uses approximately 165 times in his letters. This means it must be pretty important.

Union with Christ involves 2 aspects - legal and personal. We're made right with God by virtue of our union with Christ whose track record becomes our track record. So, we receive a "not guilty" verdict before God. This is legal. Furthermore, we're united to Christ in an ongoing relationship because the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our souls and connects us to God. This is personal. Think of the process as analogous to marriage. When you tie the knot, there's a legal aspect as well as a personal aspect. Both are true and both are important.

As part of the process of being called, we were given new, spiritual life, which enabled us to confess our sins and place our trust and hope in Jesus. This is what the Bible calls being "born again." The Spirit of God made you alive when you were spiritually dead in your sins and utterly helpless. You're now viewed by God as if you've lived a perfect life, because Jesus lived a perfect life in your place. Not only has your debt been erased, but you've been given all of Christ's assets - His righteousness. So you can step off the treadmill of perfectionism and enjoy freedom. God forgave your sins and treats you as righteous because He loves you. So God hasn't lost His ability to forgive sins as you claimed.

God's display of excellence in love can be found in the person and mission of Jesus Christ - the ultimate in love. The more closely I've looked at the Bible, the more I've observed that every act of Jesus was motivated by undiluted love. Jesus Christ never had a selfish thought. His entire life was based on helping others. He willingly experienced a death more agonizing than we can ever know, so that we could have eternal life and a relationship with God like that of children with their loving father. Jesus portrayed God as standing with His arms outstretched, inviting people to embrace Him. Only the infinite God could have infinite love - love inclusive enough to contain every person who accepts His "whosoever" invitation.

According to Matthew 5, Jesus said: Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven

Did Paul teach people to set aside the commandments? Yes. He even admitted to it. Therefore, according to Matthew 5, Jesus said Paul would be in hell in the hereafter for teaching others to discard the Law.

So, should we trust Paul? Did the disciples, like James and Peter, trust Paul?

[S I M T A N]

You're always forcing your unorthodox views, created from isolated scriptures, down our throats. And you're saying things Jesus never said - and that's Paul would be in hell for allegedly teaching others to discard the Law. You can express any opinions you want by pulling scriptures out of context, but you couldn't prove your beliefs if you included the preceding and proceeding verses in the context. No item of Christian belief can be considered in isolation. Different doctrines tend to be interconnected, each affecting a number of others or being affected by them.

The crux of the gospel message is that people cannot achieve righteousness by keeping a set of rules. God has written off the rules. Paul points out, quite rightly, that acceptance is the basis for our righteousness in Christ, and we receive acceptance not through works or rules, but from God in faith. As Paul wrote in Rom 10:4, Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." However, Christ is not the end of the law as the law relates to the Word of God or Israel's culture and history or as a revelation of God's wisdom. Yet Christ is the end of the law when it comes to righteousness. For if we try to achieve righteousness by following a set of rules, we're telling Jesus, "You died in vain. You didn't need to die." What a terrible thing to do!

Through Jesus' death, God made provision for our sins - sins past, present, and future. All of our past sins are forgiven. People could not come completely to God and live in His favor until the law had been set aside. The number of things one would have to do to keep the law is staggering. None of us can do it successfully. Our natural repudiation of the law as it is taught, read, preached, and sung to us in an unconverted state reveals our sinfulness (Rom 7:7). The law magnifies our darkness because its Giver is light It reveals our impurities because its Giver is pure. In a real sense, the law helps us understand God.

The secret of the cross is that Jesus removed the law as a requirement for achieving righteousness with God. Christianity is not a set of rules, but rather a personal relationship with the Lord.

[Ali Imran]

You're always forcing your unorthodox views, created from isolated scriptures, down our throats. And you're saying things Jesus never said - and that's Paul would be in hell for allegedly teaching others to discard the Law. You can express any opinions you want by pulling scriptures out of context, but you couldn't prove your beliefs if you included the preceding and proceeding verses in the context. No item of Christian belief can be considered in isolation. Different doctrines tend to be interconnected, each affecting a number of others or being affected by them.

The crux of the gospel message is that people cannot achieve righteousness by keeping a set of rules. God has written off the rules. Paul points out, quite rightly, that acceptance is the basis for our righteousness in Christ, and we receive acceptance not through works or rules, but from God in faith. As Paul wrote in Rom 10:4, Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." However, Christ is not the end of the law as the law relates to the Word of God or Israel's culture and history or as a revelation of God's wisdom. Yet Christ is the end of the law when it comes to righteousness. For if we try to achieve righteousness by following a set of rules, we're telling Jesus, "You died in vain. You didn't need to die." What a terrible thing to do!

Through Jesus' death, God made provision for our sins - sins past, present, and future. All of our past sins are forgiven. People could not come completely to God and live in His favor until the law had been set aside. The number of things one would have to do to keep the law is staggering. None of us can do it successfully. Our natural repudiation of the law as it is taught, read, preached, and sung to us in an unconverted state reveals our sinfulness (Rom 7:7). The law magnifies our darkness because its Giver is light It reveals our impurities because its Giver is pure. In a real sense, the law helps us understand God.

The secret of the cross is that Jesus removed the law as a requirement for achieving righteousness with God. Christianity is not a set of rules, but rather a personal relationship with the Lord.

The verse in Matthew 5 is clear. Anyone who sets aside the Law and teaches others to do so will be in hell. And you SimTan have set aside the Law. Who taught you to do that? Paul of Tarsus. Paul has taught you to set aside the law.

And the verse in Matthew 5 is not isolated. There are other verses where Jesus emphasised the importance of keeping the Law and if I include the words of other prophets in the OT, I will have many, many verses to show you where keeping the commandments is critical to salvation.

[Ali Imran]

People could not come completely to God and live in His favor until the law had been set aside. 

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven - Matthew 5

It cannot be any clearer than that. You are misguided.

[Ali Imran]

Below is a link that will bring up a whole lot of verses from the Bible that emphasize the importance of keeping the law.

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/ve...verses.htm

[Ali Imran]

You're always forcing your unorthodox views, created from isolated scriptures, down our throats. And you're saying things Jesus never said - and that's Paul would be in hell for allegedly teaching others to discard the Law. 

Matthew 5.

Jesus said anyone who teaches people to set aside the law will be called least in the kingdom of God. Paul did exactly that.

[S I M T A N]

The verse that precedes this "he (violator of the law) shall be called the least in the kingdom" passage reads: "I (Jesus) came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law." In fulfilling the law, Jesus completed the law by obeying the law perfectly and by completing the sacrificial system. In what way can God offer one more sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins? Jesus' pronouncement, "It is finished," signified the completion and fulfillment of the law. Jesus saves to the uttermost!

The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant made with Israel and not with the church. It involves the Mitzvoth laws - blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. The law of commandments and ordinances served as a wall (Eph 2:14-15) to separate the Israelites from the Gentiles who did not participate in the covenants of promise but were separated.

The law was given until the "seed shall come." Christ the seed has come. Hence, the Mosaic Covenant - the law of Moses, the old sacrificial system and the covenant on which it rested - was rendered obsolete. The word for obsolete is the same Greek word used by Jesus in Mark 2:20-21 when He says not to sew old cloth on new. Referring to the Decalogue, 2 Cor 3:4-11 states that the commandments written in stone have come to an end. God told His people that a new covenant would be made (Jeremiah 3:33; Ezekiel 36:22-27). Subsequently, the Mosaic Covenant was replaced with the New Covenant, which was made possible by Jesus Christ (Heb 8:6-13).

The Christian lives by the Law of Christ (Law of the Spirit). We're not under the M C; therefore, we're not obligated to keep the laws of the M C. But we're not lawless as you often allege we are. Insofar as we love God and love our neighbor, we keep the law of God in the New Covenant, upholding the law by faith (Rom 3:31) and by love (Rom 13:8). We're under the law of Christ (Gal 6:2) and the law of the Spirit of Life (Rom 8:2).

By your own admission, you do not have a thorough grasp of the Bible, but you often act like a know-it-all, always telling us Christians we're gullible, intellectually dishonest, on the wrong path, lawless, etc. I see you're confused about the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ. Yes, they have similar commandments. But, because 9 of the 10 commandments can be found in the N T, it doesn't mean the Law of Moses is still in effect. If, for instance, a Christian steals, they break the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If we choose to keep part of the law (for example, dietary laws), we're free to do so, but keeping the Law of Moses is neither commanded or expected. To keep part of the Mosaic Law out of the belief that we're obligated to do so is to not have trust in the perfect and complete work of Christ. The Law of the New Covenant is established , not by the Mosaic Covenant, but rather by the Law of Christ. Remember Jesus say to not sew old cloth on new.

[Ali Imran]

The verse that precedes this "he (violator of the law) shall be called the least in the kingdom" passage reads: "I (Jesus) came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law." In fulfilling the law, Jesus completed the law by obeying the law perfectly and by completing the sacrificial system. In what way can God offer one more sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins? Jesus' pronouncement, "It is finished," signified the completion and fulfillment of the law. Jesus saves to the uttermost!

The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant made with Israel and not with the church. It involves the Mitzvoth laws - blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. The law of commandments and ordinances served as a wall (Eph 2:14-15) to separate the Israelites from the Gentiles who did not participate in the covenants of promise but were separated.

The law was given until the "seed shall come." Christ the seed has come. Hence, the Mosaic Covenant - the law of Moses, the old sacrificial system and the covenant on which it rested - was rendered obsolete. The word for obsolete is the same Greek word used by Jesus in Mark 2:20-21 when He says not to sew old cloth on new. Referring to the Decalogue, 2 Cor 3:4-11 states that the commandments written in stone have come to an end. God told His people that a new covenant would be made (Jeremiah 3:33; Ezekiel 36:22-27). Subsequently, the Mosaic Covenant was replaced with the New Covenant, which was made possible by Jesus Christ (Heb 8:6-13).

The Christian lives by the Law of Christ (Law of the Spirit). We're not under the M C; therefore, we're not obligated to keep the laws of the M C. But we're not lawless as you often allege we are. Insofar as we love God and love our neighbor, we keep the law of God in the New Covenant, upholding the law by faith (Rom 3:31) and by love (Rom 13:8). We're under the law of Christ (Gal 6:2) and the law of the Spirit of Life (Rom 8:2).

By your own admission, you do not have a thorough grasp of the Bible, but you often act like a know-it-all, always telling us Christians we're gullible, intellectually dishonest, on the wrong path, lawless, etc. I see you're confused about the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ. Yes, they have similar commandments. But, because 9 of the 10 commandments can be found in the N T, it doesn't mean the Law of Moses is still in effect. If, for instance, a Christian steals, they break the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If we choose to keep part of the law (for example, dietary laws), we're free to do so, but keeping the Law of Moses is neither commanded or expected. To keep part of the Mosaic Law out of the belief that we're obligated to do so is to not have trust in the perfect and complete work of Christ. The Law of the New Covenant is established , not by the Mosaic Covenant, but rather by the Law of Christ. Remember Jesus say to not sew old cloth on new.

Paul came along after Jesus and did exactly what Jesus said he would do. In this world, Paul is revered by Christians like you, but in the next world, Paul would be called the least. Who gave that judgment? Not me, but Jesus.

As usual, you take the ambiguous to void what is clear and explicit. In many places in the Gospels, we read about Jesus emphasizing the importance of keeping the commandments in clear and unambiguous statements.

But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. - Matthew 19

But you're still here arguing, not against me but against what Jesus said. Why are you doing that? Because you want to validate Paul. Your entire faith rests on a man who fits the description of the man Jesus warned his followers about.

[pinkpanther]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_9A92jHX3PY

[Ali Imran]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_9A92jHX3PY

Hey man. Welcome back.

Did you buy his spin on that?

[S I M T A N]

You can express any opinions you want by pulling scriptures out of context, but you couldn't prove your beliefs if you included the preceding and proceeding verses in the context. 

"He (violator of the law) shall be called the least in the kingdom" (Matt 5:19). Now the proceeding verse, "Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 5:20).

The one occasion where Jesus actually declared someone "justified" provides the best insight into the doctrine (of justification by faith alone) as He taught it. Jesus told the all too familiar parable that shocked His listeners. Their theological heroes were the Pharisees who held the most rigid legalistic standards. They fasted, made a great show of praying and giving alms, and were committed to showing their sincere love for God with their careful observance of God's laws. And like you, they trust in themselves and tend to scorn people who do not abide by the rules.

Jesus astounded His listeners with that parable that seems to place a detestable tax-gatherer in a better position spiritually than a praying Pharisee. He also said, "You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matt 5:48). Clearly, Jesus set a standard that was humanly impossible, for no one could surpass the rigorous living of the scribes and Pharisees. If the standard is divine perfection, how could a traitorous tax-collector ever become just in God's eyes?

The only possible answer is that he received a righteousness that was not his own (Phil 3:9). Righteousness was imputed to him by faith (Rom 4:9-11). Whose righteousness was reckoned to him? It could only be the perfect righteousness of a flawless Substitute who in turn must bear the tax-gatherer's sins and suffer the penalty of God's wrath in his place. And the gospel tells us that is precisely what Jesus did. The tax-gatherer was justified. God declared him righteous, imputing to him the full and perfect righteousness of Christ, forgiving him of all unrighteousness, and delivering him from all condemnation. Forever thereafter he stood before God on the ground of a perfect righteousness that had been reckoned to his account.

That's what justification means. It's the only true gospel. All other points of theology emanate from it. The doctrine of justification by faith is like Atlas: it bears a world on its shoulders, the entire evangelical knowledge of saving grace. The difference between sola fide and every other formula for justification is as clear as day. You cannot go wrong on this point without ultimately corrupting every other doctrine as well. And that's why every "different gospel" that you preach is under the eternal curse of God.

[S I M T A N]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_9A92jHX3PY

It's good to have you back to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. You're a key player in theological discourse. In your absence discussion was moving along lethargically. As always, you'll liven things up with your wit and humor.

[pinkpanther]

It's good to have you back to articulate and defend the foundational truth of the Christian faith. You're a key player in theological discourse. In your absence discussion was moving along lethargically. As always, you'll liven things up with your wit and humor.

Thanks, mate. I'm not fully recovered....my dizziness is making it hard for me to stay focused on the screen for long. But don't you worry,  he won't get past your defensive line, which is really built on strong Christian faith and core principles....Your opponent probably won't cause much trouble.. .
he prefers an offensive style with flashy touches but rarely lands any shots on target.