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(22-06-2025, 07:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why do you again speak without knowledge?
Jesus as the True Temple:
The temple in the Old Testament was a place where God's presence resided and where people offered sacrifices for atonement.
In the New Testament, Jesus is presented as the fulfillment of the temple, the one who embodies God's presence in human form.
John 2:19-22 records Jesus referring to his own body as the temple, which would be destroyed and rebuilt in three days, a clear reference to his death and resurrection.
Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, where the curtain of the temple was torn, symbolized the breaking down of the barrier between God and humanity, making way for direct access to God through him.
Jesus is the ultimate priest, sacrifice, and temple, all in one.
I didn't speak without knowledge. The knowledge about God I was referring to comes from the Bible. In 2 Chronicles and in 1 Kings, we read that the entire universe cannot contain God.
If you still want to insist that God can be contained in a human body, I will not say anymore. You have every right to disbelieve the scriptures.
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(22-06-2025, 08:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus said, according to the Gospels, that he can do nothing.
Very good! I hope you learn something!
John 5:19:
"I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."
You see how Jesus acts in perfect unity and obedience with the Father
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(22-06-2025, 08:13 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I didn't speak without knowledge. The knowledge about God I was referring to comes from the Bible. In 2 Chronicles and in 1 Kings, we read that the entire universe cannot contain God.
If you still want to insist that God can be contained in a human body, I will not say anymore. You have every right to disbelieve the scriptures.
In the OT and NT...we have seen God take on human form..only the Islamic God is incapable and powerless...Even Jibril who can take on human form is more powerful than Allah
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(22-06-2025, 08:29 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Very good! I hope you learn something!
John 5:19:
"I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."
You see how Jesus acts in perfect unity and obedience with the Father
Yes of course.
So it means Jesus is not equal to God because, on his own, he can do nothing.
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(22-06-2025, 08:35 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: In the OT and NT...we have seen God take on human form..only the Islamic God is incapable and powerless...Even Jibril who can take on human form is more powerful than Allah
So, we read in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles, that the universe cannot contain God.
You can disbelieve that if you wish.
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(22-06-2025, 08:39 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: So, we read in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles, that the universe cannot contain God.
You can disbelieve that if you wish.
I already explained 1 kings and 2 chronicles yesterday...
Jesus is God incarnate, meaning God taking on human form....Jesus as the ultimate temple in which God dwells!
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(22-06-2025, 08:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: I already explained 1 kings and 2 chronicles yesterday...
Jesus is God incarnate, meaning God taking on human form....Jesus as the ultimate temple in which God dwells!
Like I've said, I cannot force you to believe what is in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles.
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(22-06-2025, 08:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Yes of course.
So it means Jesus is not equal to God because, on his own, he can do nothing.
No! Look at you, don you know how to read... The verse did not say they are unequal, instead it shows that what the father can do, the son can do as well...
The Father and Son are one, and the Son's actions are a reflection of the Father's will.
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(22-06-2025, 09:00 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Like I've said, I cannot force you to believe what is in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles.
Like I've said, you speak with no Biblical knowledge...you need to go to a credible site for Biblical explanations..there is only one interpretation so it is very easy unlike the Quran which have several interpretations
https://www.gotquestions.org/
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(22-06-2025, 09:05 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Like I've said, you speak with no Biblical knowledge...you need to go to a credible site for Biblical explanations..there is only one interpretation so it is very easy unlike the Quran which have several interpretations
https://www.gotquestions.org/
https://www.torahclass.com/lessons/old-t...6-ch8-ch9/
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(22-06-2025, 09:02 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: No! Look at you, don you know how to read... The verse did not say they are unequal, instead it shows that what the father can do, the son can do as well...
The Father and Son are one, and the Son's actions are a reflection of the Father's will.
Ok. We have a different opinion on a verse where Jesus said:
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Jesus clearly says he seeks to please the One who sent him. If you wish to believe that they are equal, we differ on our opinion of that verse. We can agree to disagree.
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(22-06-2025, 09:18 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Ok. We have a different opinion on a verse where Jesus said: By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Jesus clearly says he seeks to please the One who sent him. If you wish to believe that they are equal, we differ on our opinion of that verse. We can agree to disagree.
This emphasizes Jesus's ultimate motivation, which is to glorify His Father and fulfill his purpose...that does not make Him unequal! They both have distinct roles to play..
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(22-06-2025, 09:13 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: https://www.torahclass.com/lessons/old-t...6-ch8-ch9/
Is this a credible Christian site? Or a Judaism site?
Got question.org is good enough!
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(22-06-2025, 09:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: This emphasizes Jesus's ultimate motivation, which is to glorify His Father and fulfill his purpose...that does not make Him unequal! They both have distinct roles to play..
If you believe the Father also cannot do anything by himself, then they are equal.
Do you believe that?
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(22-06-2025, 09:36 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Is this a credible Christian site? Or a Judaism site?
Got question.org is good enough!
Are 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles the Jewish scriptures?
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(22-06-2025, 09:38 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Are 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles the Jewish scriptures?
Use a Christian site lah...why must you go to a site not for mainstream Christians but for Jewish believers
Torah Class is a free online Bible Study website for gentile and
Jewish Believers in Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach. We offer it from a Hebraic Heritage perspective. We honor Israel as God’s chosen people, and we also honor both Testaments of the Bible as truth and infallible. We believe that the Bible is God’s Word to humankind, and so we study it in depth, verse by verse, in the context of the Hebrew culture in which it was written. We add historical background, geography, original language understanding, and other multi-dimensional elements to provide a complete learning experience.
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(22-06-2025, 09:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: If you believe the Father also cannot do anything by himself, then they are equal.
Do you believe that?
In this context, the Father is in heaven, in spiritual form while Jesus is in physical form on earth..
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(21-06-2025, 10:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: How do you know the Arab countries are not helping? How do you know I am not helping?
You are indeed arrogant, speaking as though you know when you actually don't.
So what did you do to help the Palestinians?
You will brag about your big fish pond, your successful career....but why not also tell us what you do to help your moslem brothers?
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(22-06-2025, 10:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: So what did you do to help the Palestinians?
Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. - Matthew 6
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(22-06-2025, 01:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. - Matthew 6
you truly live by the Christian standards...
Come, it is time for you to get baptise
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Christianity is quite clear but again...the Quran always give you a few options and a few interpretations... clearly we are confused...which interpretation is the words of God?
https://youtube.com/shorts/gJA_grm8C4I?s...zAJ-Qfeejp
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(22-06-2025, 01:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: you truly live by the Christian standard...
Come, it is time for you to get baptise
Why would you want me to go against the words of the Father and Jesus by becoming a Christian?
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(22-06-2025, 01:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Christianity is quite clear but again...the Quran always give you a few options and a few interpretations... clearly we are confused...which interpretation is the words of God?
https://youtube.com/shorts/gJA_grm8C4I?s...zAJ-Qfeejp
Did you listen to that short video?
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(22-06-2025, 01:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Why would you want me to go against the words of the Father and Jesus by becoming a Christian?
Why? Because you quoted me Matthew 6 to tell me that the Father will reward you in secret...you can never quote me something similar from the Quran
because it is inadequate
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(22-06-2025, 01:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did you listen to that short video?
Did you? When moslems can't give you a direct answer...they will give you plenty of options to confuse you....it is the same as the Quran ..no direct answer but plenty of options and various interpretations!
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(22-06-2025, 02:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why? Because you quoted me Matthew 6 to tell me that the Father will reward you in secret...you can never quote me something similar from the Quran
because it is inadequate
There you go again with your arrogance.
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(22-06-2025, 02:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Did you? When moslems can't give you a direct answer...they will give you plenty of options to confuse you....it is the same as the Quran ..no direct answer but plenty of options and various interpretations!
None of us knows what exactly happened on that day. Only God knows.
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(22-06-2025, 02:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: There you go again with your arrogance.
Did you donate to Hamas?
As of early 2024, Hamas may have received as much as $10 million a month through such donations...
There is a big chance that they didnt want the conflict to end any sooner because of the huge payout monthly
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(22-06-2025, 02:23 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: None of us knows what exactly happened on that day. Only God knows.
No....but the Quran attributed injustice to Allah because He made someone innocent to resemble and replaced Jesus..
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(22-06-2025, 02:37 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No....but the Quran attributed injustice to Allah because He made someone innocent to resemble and replaced Jesus..
Go listen to that short video again.
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