[Ali Imran]

Lying is considered a sin, bro. Are you asking why Muhammad would permit lies?

Can we find in the Bible situations where lying is ethically okay?

Yes or no?

[Ali Imran]

Paul did not say faith alone is enough..pls do not anyhow hamtan

While Paul emphasized faith, he also recognized the importance of good works as evidence of genuine faith. He argued that true faith produces a transformed life, which naturally leads to obedience and love. James, in his epistle, also emphasizes that faith without works is dead.....

Do you know what Sola Fide entails?

Are you confused between the Law/Commandments and good works?

[pinkpanther]

Where did it say lending to the Lord is a metaphor?

Think lah... .why would the lord borrow from you? Buy ice cream? Of cos it is a metaphor 

Lending to the Lord:
The proverb uses the metaphor of lending to illustrate the idea that giving to the poor is not a waste but an investment with God as the guarantor.

[Ali Imran]

Think lah... .why would the lord borrow from you? Buy ice cream? Of cos it is a metaphor 

Lending to the Lord:
The proverb uses the metaphor of lending to illustrate the idea that giving to the poor is not a waste but an investment with God as the guarantor.

So "lending" is a metaphor but "aiding" is not a metaphor.

Ok noted.

[pinkpanther]

Can we find in the Bible situations where lying is ethically okay?

Yes or no?

Don change topic... Muhammad permitted lying and it is a sin...Muhammad is teaching you how to accumulate sins...

where did Jesus teach his followers to lie?

[Ali Imran]

Don change topic... Muhammad permitted lying and it is a sin...Muhammad is twhere did Jesus teach his followers to lie?

Same topic.

Can you find situations in the Bible where a lie is ethically acceptable?

Please answer.

[pinkpanther]

So "lending" is a metaphor but "aiding" is not a metaphor.

Ok noted.

Show to me that it is used in a metaphorical sense..
How can it be a metaphor when Allah literally ask for aiding....if this is a metaphor then what is the literal meaning then

[pinkpanther]

Same topic.

Can you find situations in the Bible where a lie is ethically acceptable?

Please answer.

What situations? You didnt even give examples...blow hot air again?  show me that the bible supports lying

The fact is Muhammad discarded Jesus's teachings...He even permits lying and you are proud of it .

[Ali Imran]

Show to me that it is used in a metaphorical sense..
How can it be a metaphor when Allah literally ask for aiding....if this is a metaphor then what is the literal meaning then

How can it be a metaphor when the Lord literally says "lending"?

[Ali Imran]

What situations? You didnt even give examples...blow hot air again?  show me that the bible supports lying

The fact is Muhammad discarded Jesus's teachings...He even permits lying and you are proud of it .

Are you saying there is no situation in the Bible where lying is ethically acceptable?

Please answer first. You already arrogantly said you are well-informed so let's put it to a test.

[pinkpanther]

Do you know what Sola Fide entails?

Are you confused between the Law/Commandments and good works?

You don even read the Bible and most scholars agree that Paul's teachings are in line with Jesus's teachings...

Only you disagree...should I trust you over their expertise?

[Ali Imran]

You don even read the Bible and most scholars agree that Paul's teachings are in line with Jesus's teachings...

Only you disagree...should I trust you over their expertise?

I will reiterate.

Jesus said to keep the commandments if you want to be saved. 

Paul said faith alone is enough, no need to keep the commandments.

[pinkpanther]

Are you saying there is no situation in the Bible where lying is ethically acceptable?

Please answer first. You already arrogantly said you are well-informed so let's put it to a test.

If you disagree, then show me the proof..
If you have none..then that proves me right!

I'm not going to guess what is in your head

[pinkpanther]

I will reiterate.

Jesus said to keep the commandments if you want to be saved. 

Paul said faith alone is enough, no need to keep the commandments.

I reiterate again....show me where Paul said faith alone is enough and specifically said no need to keep the commandments...show me!

[Ali Imran]

If you disagree, then show me the proof..
If you have none..then that proves me right!

I'm not going to guess what is in your head

It is a simple question. Can you find in the Bible a situation or a story where lying or deception is ethically acceptable?

[Ali Imran]

I reiterate again....show me where Paul said faith alone is enough and specifically said no need to keep the commandments...show me!

You don't know that basic teaching of Paul that leads to Christians discarding the Law?

OMG I thought you said you are well-informed?

[pinkpanther]

It is a simple question. Can you find in the Bible a situation or a story where lying or deception is ethically acceptable?

Where does it specifically says that lying is permissible? Bible consistently emphasizes the importance of truthfulness....

[pinkpanther]

You don't know that basic teaching of Paul that leads to Christians discarding the Law?

OMG I thought you said you are well-informed?

No one would say that Paul discarded the law...but all would agree that Muhammad discarded Jesus's law

[Ali Imran]

Where does it specifically says that lying is permissible? Bible consistently emphasizes the importance of truthfulness....

You didn't answer the question.

Can you find a story in the Bible where a lie was told that was ethically acceptable?

If you don't know, I will show you. But first, please admit that you have never come across such a story in the Bible.

[Ali Imran]

No one would say that Paul discarded the law...but all would agree that Muhammad discarded Jesus's law

This is not about Islam or Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

This is about the criteria you put forth a couple of days ago, which will falsify Paul's claim on the road to Damascus.

[pinkpanther]

You didn't answer the question.

Can you find a story in the Bible where a lie was told that was ethically acceptable?

If you don't know, I will show you. But first, please admit that you have never come across such a story in the Bible.

My original point was that Muhammad allows lying... so please provide me with prophets who agree with Muhammad that lying is permissible....pls stay on point

I could care less about your stories...because you cannot provide one

[pinkpanther]

This is not about Islam or Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

This is about the criteria you put forth a couple of days ago, which will falsify Paul's claim on the road to Damascus.

Yes...I reiterate once again that scholars and theologians agree that Paul's teachings are in line with Jesus's teachings...

Your opinion mean nothing 

[Lukongsimi]

No, Paul did not teach that believers should completely discard the law. While he emphasized that salvation is by grace through faith and not by adherence to the law, he also affirmed the law's continuing value in revealing sin and guiding Christian behavior. He clarified that the law's purpose was not to save, but to point to the need for a savior and to guide believers in righteous living. 

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nZM5Ml9juQA?s...DegZujicsq
Paul taught the laws

[cheekopekman]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nZM5Ml9juQA?s...DegZujicsq
Paul taught the laws

Paul was a Pharisee and of the Benjamin tribe and he knew the Law at his fingertips just like any Pharisees lah!

[pinkpanther]

How can it be a metaphor when the Lord literally says "lending"?

This is where your IQ falls short... it's meant to be interpreted metaphorically. How can you literally lend to the Lord?  

If you help Allah...Allah will reciprocate that effort by helping you....that is the literal meaning my friend  ...why would Allah require your help?

[pinkpanther]

How can it be a metaphor when the Lord literally says "lending"?

Let's go to tafsir explanation 

O you who have believed, if you support Allah, He will support you":

This part of the verse calls on believers to actively aid Allah's cause, which is understood to be the propagation of Islam and the defense of the Muslim community. 

"and He will make your feet firm":
This refers to Allah granting believers steadfastness and strength in their endeavors, particularly in times of conflict. 

So Allah needs the help of his believers. He is not powerful after all

[pinkpanther]

You didn't answer the question.

Can you find a story in the Bible where a lie was told that was ethically acceptable?

If you don't know, I will show you. But first, please admit that you have never come across such a story in the Bible.

the Bible explicitly condemns lying....but the so called last prophet says it is OK to lie 

Leviticus 19:11 states, "You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another". 

Psalm 40:4 speaks of the blessedness of those who trust in the Lord and don't turn to lies. 

Colossians 3:9 says, "Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds".

 Revelation 21:8 lists liars among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. 

Jesus himself identified the devil as "a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44).

[Ali Imran]

the Bible explicitly condemns lying....but the so called last prophet says it is OK to lie 

Leviticus 19:11 states, "You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another". 

Psalm 40:4 speaks of the blessedness of those who trust in the Lord and don't turn to lies. 

Colossians 3:9 says, "Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds".

 Revelation 21:8 lists liars among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. 

Jesus himself identified the devil as "a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44).

So your Bible says you cannot lie in any circumstances?

What about saving your children's lives from evil people? Can you lie to do that?

[Ali Imran]

Let's go to tafsir explanation 

O you who have believed, if you support Allah, He will support you":

This part of the verse calls on believers to actively aid Allah's cause, which is understood to be the propagation of Islam and the defense of the Muslim community. 

"and He will make your feet firm":
This refers to Allah granting believers steadfastness and strength in their endeavors, particularly in times of conflict. 

So Allah needs the help of his believers. He is not powerful after all

Yeah.. of course. God in the Bible is also broke that He asks for a loan, if we want to use your standard of exegesis.