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(29-06-2025, 05:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If they purposely kill children, are they evil people?

Who allows this to happen? The God of the jews and moslems!!
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(29-06-2025, 05:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  we believe we are the chosen people 

Is that based on scriptures? Please show me if so.
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(29-06-2025, 05:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Who allows this to happen? The God of the jews and moslems!!

Netanyahu quoted your Bible to rally the soldiers to commit the genocide.
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(29-06-2025, 05:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If they purposely kill children, are they evil people?

in many parts of the world, children are among the most severely affected victims of terrorist attacks. Additionally, thousands of children have been abducted, recruited, used, or otherwise associated with or affected by terrorist groups. Once recruited, children are assigned a variety of different roles, from direct engagement in terrorist acts, (undertaking suicide missions or carrying out executions); to more subordinate roles, as porters, cooks or informants. There is no single path to recruitment, but once associated with these groups, children are subjected to multiple forms of physical and psychological violence, including forms of torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. They are often injured or killed in combat

Yes terrorists are very evil

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(29-06-2025, 05:29 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Netanyahu quoted your Bible to rally the soldiers to commit the genocide.

He quoted from the Torah or tanakh also known as the Hebrew bible lah...
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(29-06-2025, 05:36 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  in many parts of the world, children are among the most severely affected victims of terrorist attacks. Additionally, thousands of children have been abducted, recruited, used, or otherwise associated with or affected by terrorist groups. Once recruited, children are assigned a variety of different roles, from direct engagement in terrorist acts, (undertaking suicide missions or carrying out executions); to more subordinate roles, as porters, cooks or informants. There is no single path to recruitment, but once associated with these groups, children are subjected to multiple forms of physical and psychological violence, including forms of torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. They are often injured or killed in combat

Yes terrorists are very evil

People who purposely harm children, through killing, maiming, starving, oppressing, etc, are evil.
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(29-06-2025, 05:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  He quoted the Torah lah...Jew does not quote from the Bible

Is the command to commit genocide on the Amaleks found in your Bible?
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(29-06-2025, 05:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  People who purposely harm children, through killing, maiming, starving, oppressing, etc, are evil.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is sending children to their deaths at an “unprecedented rate,” according to a new study that finds the group increasingly mobilizing children to fight and die alongside adults as foot soldiers, to carry out suicide attacks and even act as executioners in beheading videos. 
The study found that the death rate for children and teenagers fighting for ISIS was more than twice as high in 2015 as previously thought. The analysis, published by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point in February, tallied at least 89 deaths, and suggests that ISIS’ “mobilization of children and youth for military purposes is accelerating.”
To determine that number, researchers from Georgia State University catalogued images of children eulogized by ISIS between January 2015 and January 2016. In that period, they found 39 percent of the children were killed when they detonated vehicle-borne explosives on suicide bombing runs. Another 33 percent were killed in battlefield operations, and 18 percent died in suicidal raids behind enemy lines that they didn’t expect to survive. 
A majority of the children — 60 percent — were thought to be between the ages of 12 and 16. Six percent were between eight and 12 years old. The remaining 34 percent were older than 16. The largest portion — at least a third — were thought to be Syrian children, and just more than half of the 89 children died in Iraq.
39% 
Of all the children who died fighting for ISIS in 2015, 39 percent were killed when they detonated vehicle-borne explosives on suicide bombing runs.

The figures mark a troubling shift in how ISIS is using children, said one of the study’s authors, Mia Bloom.
“For the longest time people just thought this was for the camera, for propaganda purposes,” Bloom said. “When we started following the way ISIS itself was portraying very young people, we realized that they were far more involved than was previously understood.”
The researchers expected their findings to resemble how child soldiers have been used in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Uganda, or how the terrorist group Boko Haram uses children in Nigeria and Chad — to replace battlefield losses when adults are killed or for a special tactical advantage.
What distinguishes ISIS, according to the authors, is that it uses children alongside adult fighters, rather than in lieu of them.
There’s a psychological aspect to why ISIS enlists children, according to Bloom. It uses them to shame adults who don’t participate in its cause, and to humiliate prisoners or those suspected of espionage by using kids to punish them.
There’s also the shock value. In one recent video, “We saw a 12-year-old child actually, physically behead an adult,” Bloom said. “Within a week, they had a 4-year-old child pressing a detonator on an explosive device to kill three guys in a car.”
ISIS is also unique in the way it boasts about recruiting children, Bloom said, as well as in the way it publicizes and normalizes their deaths. While other armed groups and terrorist organizations have quietly used children in the past, ISIS brags about its so-called “Cubs of the Caliphate.”
ISIS recruits children with the promise of empowerment, the researchers found. Where ISIS holds territory, it controls local schools and curricula. “They make participation in the ‘Cubs’ seem like it’s something rare, like it’s a valuable commodity,” Bloom said.
And while local Syrian families may feel a certain degree of coercion to hand over their children, families of fighters who have traveled from abroad to join ISIS are more willing to give recruiters and propagandists access to their children, she said.
“I see this as the utmost form of child abuse. You’re sacrificing your child,” Bloom said. “The kids themselves are not making these choices. They’re not old enough.”
When FRONTLINE’s Evan Williams met boys who had taken part in ISIS’ training camps, they described the methods of coercion and brainwashing that the group uses.
“They said you should give everything to them, even sacrifice yourself,” a 14-year-old boy told Williams. “In this religious military camp, you learn something called ‘listening and obeying.’ You declare, ‘I must listen and obey even if I have to die.'”
Children are also forced to watch ISIS videos of executions and suicide attacks as part of their indoctrination. “They showed us how they kill,” 11-year-old Ahmad told Williams. “Sometimes we tried not to watch. But when we did watch we were scared.”
As the authors grimly note, their analysis only factors in deaths that ISIS publicly eulogized last year. Many more are likely to have occurred.
Even more alarming, the use of children appears to be on the rise. As military pressure against ISIS increases, “it seems plausible,” said the authors, that attacks involving children “are becoming more tactically attractive” to the group. Operations involving one or more children have gone up, as have the number of child or youth deaths in suicide operations — from six in January 2015 to 11 in January 2016.
“From January 31 [of 2016] until now, we’ve already had 19 more,” Bloom said. “So it’s exponentially increasing.”

Even worse Evil right?

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(29-06-2025, 05:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Is the command to commit genocide on the Amaleks found in your Bible?

According to Allah...the torah is His words so Yes, that is a command from Allah to commit genocide .. Laughing
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(29-06-2025, 05:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Is the command to commit genocide on the Amaleks found in your Bible?

January 2024

By Bhaswati Bhattacharjee

 

Since 2000, 62,000 Christians in Nigeria have been murdered in genocide perpetrated by Islamist jihadist groups including Boko Haram, Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP), and Fulani militias. The International Committee for Nigeria refers to this genocide as the “Silent Slaughter.”

 

In June 2022, more than 50 parishioners at St. Francis Xavier Church in Owo were massacred. The Nigerian government blamed the massacre on ISWAP, while local eyewitnesses attributed the slaughter to Fulani militias.

 

Aid to the Church in Need reports that in 2022, four Catholic priests were murdered in Nigeria.  23 priests and one seminarian were kidnapped and held in captivity in 2022.

 

In April 2023, the International Society for Civil Liberties and Rule of Law (Intersociety) reported that 18,000 Christian churches and 2,200 Christian schools have been deliberately set on fire. 34,000 moderate Muslims were also murdered by Islamist jihadists.

 

Leah Sharibu, one of 110 school girls who were abducted by ISWAP terrorists in 2018, is still in captivity because she refuses to renounce her Catholic faith.

 

At Christmas in December 2023, at least 140 Nigerian Christians were massacred in  attacks near Jos. Fulani jihadist militias targeted Christian farming communities in 26 villages across Plateau State. Local media reports indicate a death toll of 200. Numerous villagers sought refuge in the bush to escape the assailants. Many are still missing.

 

In a speech delivered on January 11, 2024 in the British House of Lords, Lord David Alton urged the U.K. government to promptly address the ongoing persecution of Christians in Nigeria. Emeka Umeagbalasi, the director of Intersociety, alleges that the Nigerian government and Nigerian Army are complicit in the attacks on Christians.

 

Due to genocidal massacres of Christians and moderate Muslims, and the Nigerian Government and Army’s failure to protect Nigerian citizens, Genocide Watch considers Nigeria to be at Stage 9: Extermination and Stage 10: Denial.

 

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(29-06-2025, 05:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  According to Allah...the torah is His words so Yes, that is a command from Allah to commit genocide .. Laughing

I disagree. The Pentateuch was written long after Prophet Moses pbuh. So we don't know who put those commands in them and made it look like it is from God.

But now you agree that the verses to commit genocide are found in your Bible?
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(29-06-2025, 05:43 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Even worse Evil right?

Are you saying that the Zionists killing women and children in Palestine are better evil than the criminals in Africa?
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(29-06-2025, 05:49 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I disagree. The Pentateuch was written long after Prophet Moses pbuh. So we don't know who put those commands in them and made it look like it is from God.

But now you agree that the verses to commit genocide are found in your Bible?

So you are saying that Allah's words can be changed and He is not powerful to protect His book? Laughing Again where in the Quran does it says that the Torah has been corrupted?

The Quran emphasizes that God's words are perfect and cannot be changed or corrupted.... again another Islamic dilemma Laughing

Allah asked Moslems to believe in corrupted scriptures?
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(29-06-2025, 05:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Are you saying that the Zionists killing women and children in Palestine are better evil than the criminals in Africa?

No I didn’t say that 
It’s your Islamic jihad
Use children to sacrifice for your religion
It’s worshipping children to idols

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(29-06-2025, 05:56 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  No I didn’t say that 
It’s your Islamic jihad
Use children to sacrifice for your religion
It’s worshipping children to idols

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(29-06-2025, 05:55 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So you are saying that Allah's words can be changed and He is not powerful to protect His book? Laughing Again where in the Quran does it says that the Torah has been corrupted?

The Quran emphasizes that God's words are perfect and cannot be changed or corrupted.... again another Islamic dilemma Laughing

Allah asked Moslems to believe in corrupted scriptures?

Allah informs us that the evil people forged scriptures to make it look like it is from God.
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(29-06-2025, 06:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  [Image: Islamic-Rules-of-War.png]

How come twin towers destroyed n the moslems are celebrating?
So many people killed 
Why the moslems not obeying your Muh?

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(29-06-2025, 06:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah informs us that the evil people forged scriptures to make it look like it is from God.

If without your religion today world peace liao

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(29-06-2025, 06:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah informs us that the evil people forged scriptures to make it look like it is from God.

Qur'an 5:44 describes the Torah (as revealed to Prophet Musa), and the Jews are to be judged by it

So you mean Allah is wrong to say this lah? Allah makes mistakes isnt it? He asked the Jews to be judged by their corrupted scriptures?

Allah is again looking weak ..He can't protect the Torah and the gospel and He allows parts of the Quran to be eaten by a goat Rotfl

Allah is a false God and He is not all powerful
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Why are the Muslim majority areas of the world in chaos if the major leaders and organisations in these areas are following the Quran, which was written to bring peace in the world?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(29-06-2025, 06:11 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  How come twin towers destroyed n the moslems are celebrating?
So many people killed 
Why the moslems not obeying your Muh?

There are evil people, be they Muslims or Christians or Jews or Buddhists or whatever.
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(29-06-2025, 06:18 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Why are the Muslim majority areas of the world in chaos if the major leaders and organisations in these areas are following the Quran, which was written to bring peace in the world?

The people from the majority Christian nations, like the US and UK, are forever causing chaos in the Muslim world because of the oil.
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(29-06-2025, 06:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Qur'an 5:44 describes the Torah (as revealed to Prophet Musa), and the Jews are to be judged by it

So you mean Allah is wrong to say this lah? Allah makes mistakes isnt it? He asked the Jews to be judged by their corrupted scriptures?

Allah is again looking weak ..He can't protect the Torah and the gospel and He allows parts of the Quran to be eaten by a goat Rotfl

Allah is a false God and He is not all powerful

How many times have I told you that there are some truth in the Jewish scriptures. Take the Shema for example. That is found in the Torah and we the Muslims can confirm that it is true.
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(29-06-2025, 06:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  There are evil people, be they Muslims or Christians or Jews or Buddhists or whatever.

(29-06-2025, 06:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The people from the majority Christian nations, like the US and UK, are forever causing chaos in the Muslim world because of the oil.

Not ALL Christians are the same lah, Ali! Big Grin Don't sweep all away lah! Those Jews who became Christians are still Jews so they still abide by the Torah or Law lah! But Jesus Christ taught all Christians to love one another and that's His only commandment lah!
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(29-06-2025, 06:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  How many times have I told you that there are some truth in the Jewish scriptures. Take the Shema for example. That is found in the Torah and we the Muslims can confirm that it is true.

So which ones are the truth and which ones are not from Allah? So the plight of the Amalekites are not from Allah? Pls show me the proof.
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(29-06-2025, 06:27 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:   But Jesus Christ taught all Christians to love one another and that's His only commandment lah!

Muhammad also followed Jesus's commandments lah...He loved his son's wife and took her as his wife...that is some love Big Grin
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(29-06-2025, 06:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Muhammad also followed Jesus's commandments lah...He loved his son's wife and took her as his wife...that is some love Big Grin

If you don't know the full story, please don't spread lies that other Christian missionaries are fond of doing. 

I know what you're trying to do. Your criteria are falling back on you, and you're trying to divert attention from the folly you made a few days ago.

Btw, I agree with your criteria. If Paul is teaching something that nullifies the teaching of Jesus, in particular the Sola Fide, we can make the conclusion that it wasn't Jesus who appeared to him on that road to Damascus.
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(29-06-2025, 06:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The people from the majority Christian nations, like the US and UK, are forever causing chaos in the Muslim world because of the oil.

Venezuela has the largest oil reserve n the country are Christians
Rotfl

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(29-06-2025, 06:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So which ones are the truth and which ones are not from Allah? So the plight of the Amalekites are not from Allah? Pls show me the proof.

If it is confirmed in the Quran, like the Shema, we can say it is the truth.

As for the commands to commit genocide, it goes against what we believe about Allah, that He is most just and most merciful. A merciful God would not command the killings of innocent children and suckling infants. 

Wallahu 'alam.
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