Scripture readings for Christmas

(02-07-2025, 05:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where in the Quran did it says that the people of Sela and not the people of medina were singing for Muhammad

Bible mentioned sela mountain 
Koran mentioned medinah where got same?

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(02-07-2025, 05:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  LOL

The answer is no. There was no Christian community in Medina before the arrival of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
While Medina is known as a holy city in Islam, there is evidence of a Christian presence and interactions with Muslims in the city's history.There was a Christian sect in Medina that was considered heretical by the established church and were known as the Marians, who deified the Virgin Mary. Additionally, historical accounts detail interactions between Prophet Muhammad and Christians from Najran, including a visit to Medina where they engaged in interfaith dialogue and were allowed to pray in the mosque. 

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(02-07-2025, 05:47 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Bible mentioned sela mountain 
Koran mentioned medinah where got same?

Mount Sela is in Medina.
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(02-07-2025, 05:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Rotfl Are you sure? I like to give you a second chance to change your answer

You can probably find individuals who were Christians. But no Christian community, like having a church and such.
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(02-07-2025, 05:33 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  How u know it’s muh they are shouting ?

Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?
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(02-07-2025, 05:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where in the Quran did it says that the people of Sela and not the people of medina were singing for Muhammad

We are talking about Isaiah 42. 

LKSM said the beloved servant in Isaiah 42 is Jesus. 

I disagree and I've given my arguments.
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(02-07-2025, 05:53 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Mount Sela is in Medina.

Sela is mentioned in the Bible as a city in the land of Edom and is associated with events like Amaziah's victory over the Edomites.....Mount Sela in Medina has nothing to do with the scriptures
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(02-07-2025, 06:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Sela is mentioned in the Bible as a city in the land of Edom and is associated with events like Amaziah's victory over the Edomites.....Mount Sela in Medina has nothing to do with the scriptures

Isaiah 42 only says Sela and a mountain. 

It could be Mount Sela.
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(02-07-2025, 05:56 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You can probably find individuals who were Christians. But no Christian community, like having a church and such.

OK but Muhammad also had interactions with Christians 

Prophet Muhammad had interactions with Christians in Medina, most notably with a delegation from Najran. These interactions included peaceful dialogue, allowing them to pray in his mosque, and providing them with accommodation. 

The Najran Delegation:
In 631 CE, a Christian delegation from Najran visited Medina. This group consisted of about 60 people, including scholars and assistants.
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(02-07-2025, 06:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Isaiah 42 only says Sela and a mountain. 

It could be Mount Sela.

Yes..Sela in Jordan is also mountainous
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(02-07-2025, 06:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes..Sela in Jordan is also mountainous

Were the Kedars in Jordan?
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(02-07-2025, 06:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK but Muhammad also had interactions with Christians 

Prophet Muhammad had interactions with Christians in Medina, most notably with a delegation from Najran. These interactions included peaceful dialogue, allowing them to pray in his mosque, and providing them with accommodation. 

The Najran Delegation:
In 631 CE, a Christian delegation from Najran visited Medina. This group consisted of about 60 people, including scholars and assistants.

Yes, that's true.
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(02-07-2025, 06:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Were the Kedars in Jordan?

Nope.. Isaiah 42:11 is not to be interpreted literally..

the verse paints a picture of a world where even the most remote and seemingly unreached places are invited to participate in the celebration of God's blessings and the coming of the Messiah, who will bring salvation and restoration.
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(02-07-2025, 06:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Nope.. Isaiah 42:11 is not to be interpreted literally..

the verse paints a picture of a world where even the most remote and seemingly unreached places are invited to participate in the celebration of God's blessings and the coming of the Messiah, who will bring salvation and restoration.

It mentions a people, Kedar, and a place, Sela.

And it didn't once mention Messiah.
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(02-07-2025, 06:47 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  It mentions a people, Kedar, and a place, Sela.

And it didn't once mention Messiah.

Yes..and Kedar symbolize those living in remote and rugged conditions and Sela refers to mountainous region

Isaiah 42:11 speaks about a time when even the most remote and desolate places, like the wilderness and its cities, will join in praising God. It highlights the far-reaching impact of God's goodness and mercy, extending even to those who were once considered uncivilized.
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(02-07-2025, 06:47 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  It mentions a people, Kedar, and a place, Sela.

And it didn't once mention Messiah.

Yes, but prophet Isaiah's writings include prophecies about a future Messiah who would fulfill specific roles and promises outlined in the Old Testament.
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(02-07-2025, 06:59 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes, but prophet Isaiah's writings include prophecies about a future Messiah who would fulfill specific roles and promises outlined in the Old Testament.

Yes, that's true. But not in Isaiah 42.
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(02-07-2025, 06:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes..and Kedar symbolize those living in remote and rugged conditions and Sela refers to mountainous region

Isaiah 42:11 speaks about a time when even the most remote and desolate places, like the wilderness and its cities, will join in praising God. It highlights the far-reaching impact of God's goodness and mercy, extending even to those who were once considered uncivilized.

Ok. So it wasn't referring to Jesus as LKSM insisted earlier?
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(02-07-2025, 07:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ok. So it wasn't referring to Jesus as LKSM insisted earlier?

Isaiah 42 is long and it is about the servant of the lord, Jesus

That is why it is better to read everything in context
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(02-07-2025, 07:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaiah 42 is long and it is about the servant of the lord, Jesus

So it is about a specific person, a beloved servant, who brought joy to the people of Sela. Did Jesus do that?
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(02-07-2025, 07:01 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes, that's true. But not in Isaiah 42.

The header for Isaiah 42 reads the servant of the lord
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(02-07-2025, 07:26 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So it is about a specific person, a beloved servant, who brought joy to the people of Sela. Did Jesus do that?

The song verse 11 is about how far and remote even the nomads would sing praises of the lord...
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(02-07-2025, 05:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?
U no answers so resort to bully ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 07:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ok. So it wasn't referring to Jesus as LKSM insisted earlier?

Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 07:26 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So it is about a specific person, a beloved servant, who brought joy to the people of Sela. Did Jesus do that?

Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 06:47 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  It mentions a people, Kedar, and a place, Sela.

And it didn't once mention Messiah.

Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 05:53 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Mount Sela is in Medina.

Doesn’t mean they sang song to your muh

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 03:56 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You said the beloved servant in Isaiah 42 is your God Jesus.

So, did Jesus ever go to Madinah, and make the people there sing with joy?

Will you ever change your ill-mannered ways? Or is being ill-mannered ingrained in your soul already?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(02-07-2025, 03:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Sela is just beside the Prophet's city.

صلي الله عليه وسلم
So?
Proof any thing?

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(02-07-2025, 07:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The song verse 11 is about how far and remote even the nomads would sing praises of the lord...
Ya loh
Pachik tot they sing praises to
Muh

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