Scripture readings for Christmas
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(08-07-2025, 07:40 AM)Hope Wrote: https://youtube.com/shorts/m7l72L_1Glo?s...hHushcgMJt
(08-07-2025, 07:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Good morning Habibi .where is lily Jay videosDo not argue/ post today.
Instead ,please spend your time to listen to the videos of this Ex pastor .
He is not promoting Islam.He is an atheist now.
08-07-2025, 08:06 AM
(08-07-2025, 07:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: There you go again, repeating a lie.
There is no such instruction.
Let us go to another translation by yusuf Ali..so this time who instructed Muhammad?

Specifically, Surah Yunus (10:94) states: "So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)."
08-07-2025, 08:20 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:06 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Let us go to another translation by yusuf Ali..so this time who instructed Muhammad?
Specifically, Surah Yunus (10:94) states: "So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)."
The instructions are found in the Quran. The Quran is from Allah. It follows that the instructions are from Allah. That is already a given. Why do you need to ask for confirmation?
Have you realized that you told a lie?
08-07-2025, 08:28 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: The instructions are found in the Quran. The Quran is from Allah. It follows that the instructions are from Allah. That is already a given. Why do you need to ask for confirmation?
Have you realized that you told a lie?
If the instructions are from Allah then it is Allah...the Quran is a speech from Allah! Who is giving the speech? Allah! Can the Quran over ride Allah's words? No! So you are a kufir..you don even know Islam

08-07-2025, 08:31 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: If the instructions are from Allah then it is Allah...the Quran is a speech from Allah! Who is giving the speech? Allah! Can the Quran over ride Allah's words? No! So you are a kufir..you don even know Islam
I'm not sure what you're saying. I've already given you the confirmation that the Quran is from Allah, ergo any instructions in the Quran is from Allah.
But you lied about the instruction of verse 10:94.
08-07-2025, 08:39 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:31 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying. I've already given you the confirmation that the Quran is from Allah, ergo any instructions in the Quran is from Allah.
But you lied about the instruction of verse 10:94.
This is your accusation
"So you were lying earlier when you said Allah instructed our Prophet to check with the previous scriptures."
This is the verse
The Quran (10:94) instructs Muhammad to ask those who read the scriptures before him (Jews and Christians) if he has any doubts about what was revealed to him.
I know moslems are a confusing lot ..so what did I lie?
08-07-2025, 08:43 AM
(08-07-2025, 06:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus's disciple, Peter, called Paul his enemy because Peter disagreed with Paul's teachings.
You said Peter knows. So, in the conflict between Peter and Paul, why do you follow Paul instead of the disciple who knows?
Don’t be a broken record n accuse me of things u don’t know lah
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 08:46 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:44 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: In Islamic belief, Muhammad was instructed to follow the Injil (Gospel) by Allah, through the angel Gabriel (Jibril). The Quran, which Muslims believe was revealed to Muhammad, also refers to the Injil as a holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa).
Even Lksm knows more than our moslem friend

08-07-2025, 08:49 AM
(08-07-2025, 07:59 AM)Hope Wrote: Do not argue/ post today.
Instead ,please spend your time to listen to the videos of this Ex pastor .
He is not promoting Islam.He is an atheist now.
https://youtube.com/shorts/lgiUT2VXKW4?s...SaTsp2m5in-
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 08:58 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: This is your accusation
"So you were lying earlier when you said Allah instructed our Prophet to check with the previous scriptures."
This is the verse
The Quran (10:94) instructs Muhammad to ask those who read the scriptures before him (Jews and Christians) if he has any doubts about what was revealed to him.
I know moslems are a confusing lot ..so what did I lie?
Allah says to check with the Israelites, like Abdullah bin Salam, who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood.
You lied when you said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures, making it look as though those scriptures have some authority.
08-07-2025, 08:59 AM
Question about Muhammad's first revelation and Galatians 1:8
Question / Help
Galatians 1:8 says ''But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.''
Considering Muhammad's first revelation came from the angel Gabriel, wouldn't this be going against Galatians 1:8?
Question / Help
Galatians 1:8 says ''But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.''
Considering Muhammad's first revelation came from the angel Gabriel, wouldn't this be going against Galatians 1:8?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 09:01 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Allah says to check with the Israelites, like Abdullah bin Salam, who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood.
You lied when you said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures, making it look as though those scriptures have some authority.
In Islamic belief, Muhammad was instructed to follow the Injil (Gospel) by Allah, through the angel Gabriel (Jibril). The Quran, which Muslims believe was revealed to Muhammad, also refers to the Injil as a holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa).
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 09:01 AM
08-07-2025, 09:09 AM
(08-07-2025, 07:39 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: The 4 Gospels contain words attributed to Jesus, ergo the Gospels. Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already said that we can neither believe nor disbelieve what you have in the Gospels. We do not know if it is really the words of Jesus. Even you cannot be sure if Mark or Matthew contains the words of Jesus.
Show me from your Quran that Allah/Quran mentioned that the Injil and Torah were corrupted and that moslems should not believe in it...
Show me Allah/Quran say not to believe in the 4 Islamic books
08-07-2025, 09:10 AM
Arguments that prophecies of Muhammad exist in the Biblehave formed part of Islamic tradition since at least the mid-8th century, when the first extant arguments for the presence of predictions of Muhammad in the Bible were made by Ibn Ishaq in his Book of Military Expeditions ([i]Kitāb al-maghāzī[/i]).[1] A number of Christians throughout history, such as John of Damascus (8th century) and John Calvin (16th century), have interpreted Muhammad as being the Antichrist of the New Testament.
Muslim theologians have argued that a number of specific passages within the biblical text can be specifically identified as references to Muhammad, both in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testamentand in the Christian New Testament. Several verses in the Quran, as well as several Hadiths, state that Muhammad is described in the Bible.
On the other hand, scholars have generally interpreted these verses as referring to the community of Israel or Yahweh's personal soteriological actions regarding the Israelites or members of the faithful community, such as in the cases of Isaiah 42. The apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas, which explicitly mentions Muhammad, is widely recognized by scholars as a fabrication from the Early Modern Age. Some Muslim theologians also claimed the Paraclete (Greek New Testament) as Muhammad, although scholars identify it with the Holy Spirit.
Muslim theologians have argued that a number of specific passages within the biblical text can be specifically identified as references to Muhammad, both in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testamentand in the Christian New Testament. Several verses in the Quran, as well as several Hadiths, state that Muhammad is described in the Bible.
On the other hand, scholars have generally interpreted these verses as referring to the community of Israel or Yahweh's personal soteriological actions regarding the Israelites or members of the faithful community, such as in the cases of Isaiah 42. The apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas, which explicitly mentions Muhammad, is widely recognized by scholars as a fabrication from the Early Modern Age. Some Muslim theologians also claimed the Paraclete (Greek New Testament) as Muhammad, although scholars identify it with the Holy Spirit.
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 09:14 AM
(08-07-2025, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Allah says to check with the Israelites, like Abdullah bin Salam, who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood.
You lied when you said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures, making it look as though those scriptures have some authority.
Where in the Quran did Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam?
It's not false for Muhammad to consult previous scriptures. Since he was illiterate, he would need to rely on others who could read the texts to verify them....that's simply common sense, isn't it?

So you cannot say it is a lie...you can simply say that the message is not clear

08-07-2025, 09:18 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Where in the Quran did Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam?
It's not false for Muhammad to consult previous scriptures. Since he was illiterate, he would need to rely on others who could read the texts to verify them....that's simply common sense, isn't it?
So you cannot say it is a lie...you can simply say that the message is not clear
You said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. That is a lie.
Allah tells our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the people who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood. An example of such person is Abdullah bin Salam.
Christians like you will want to twist it and make it look like their scriptures have some legitimacy with us.
08-07-2025, 09:18 AM
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As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
08-07-2025, 09:19 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: That's a lie.
They say the Injil has been altered or distorted over time..you said the injil was never recorded..
So who is lying?

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In Islamic belief, while Muhammad received the Quran through the angel Gabriel, the Injil (Gospel) is also considered a holy book revealed by God, but to Jesus (Isa). The Quran, which Muslims believe to be the literal word of God, acknowledges and references the Injil, but also indicates that it may have been altered or distorted over time.
08-07-2025, 09:20 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Show me from your Quran that Allah/Quran mentioned that the Injil and Torah were corrupted and that moslems should not believe in it...
Show me Allah/Quran say not to believe in the 4 Islamic books
Many times I've repeated this.
We are to believe Allah sends revelations to previous messengers, like Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them.
Allah tells us that people of the book have tampered with the scriptures, as in verse 2:79.
Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم instructs us to neither believe nor disbelieve the previous scriptures.
08-07-2025, 09:24 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:18 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: You said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. That is a lie.
Allah tells our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the people who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood. An example of such person is Abdullah bin Salam.
Christians like you will want to twist it and make it look like their scriptures have some legitimacy with us.
Hello...I have heard about this new interpretation of yours before about consulting Salam and the prophecy of Muhammad's prophethood...
The problem is you never use this argument against me before..I believe you only knew it lately...
Now show me from your Quran that Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam or those people of the books who believe in his prophethood..
08-07-2025, 09:24 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:19 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: They say the Injil has been altered or distorted over time..you said the injil was never recorded..
So who is lying?
Yes, the words of Jesus, a revelation from Allah, was never recorded.
What we have are records of oral tradition, found in the books you call the Gospels.
08-07-2025, 09:25 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Hello...I have heard about this new interpretation of yours before about consulting Salam and the prophecy of Muhammad's prophethood...
The problem is you never use this argument against me before..I believe you only knew it lately...
Now show me from your Quran that Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam or those people of the books who believe in his prophethood..
It is not a new interpretation. I've said it before albeit I never gave you an example. The verse 10:94 clearly says it, to ask the people of the book who were with the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
08-07-2025, 09:28 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Many times I've repeated this.
We are to believe Allah sends revelations to previous messengers, like Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them.
Allah tells us that people of the book have tampered with the scriptures, as in verse 2:79.
Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم instructs us to neither believe nor disbelieve the previous scriptures.
Quran 2:79
So woe1 to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.
Tafsir of Quran 2:79 discusses the severe condemnation of those who alter the scriptures and attribute their own fabrications to God for worldly gain. It highlights the hypocrisy of people who write falsehoods with their own hands and then claim it is from God to gain a small price. This act is considered a great sin, deserving of woe and condemnation.
Hello..where can i find the torah and the gospel being mentioned?
You are lying if you yourself cannot find ..the Quran is clear and fully detailed isnt it
08-07-2025, 09:30 AM
(08-07-2025, 09:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Quran 2:79
So woe1 to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.
Tafsir of Quran 2:79 discusses the severe condemnation of those who alter the scriptures and attribute their own fabrications to God for worldly gain. It highlights the hypocrisy of people who write falsehoods with their own hands and then claim it is from God to gain a small price. This act is considered a great sin, deserving of woe and condemnation.
Hello..where can i find the torah and the gospel being mentioned?
You are lying if you yourself cannot find ..the Quran is clear and fully detailed isnt it
Read from verse 72.
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